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[Douglas grizzly]

A properly run commando is a tough opponent, even for my streak crow . especially if the commando gets the drop on me.

[martian]

Yellonet, on 26 July 2016 - 06:33 AM, said:

You misunderstood, as did a few others perhaps, I don't want anything to specifically duel the ACH, just something that is similar for IS.

It's simple, then: Firestarter.

[Yellonet]

martian, on 26 July 2016 - 06:44 AM, said:

It's simple, then: Firestarter.

With ECM.

[Wrathful Scythe]

If ECM is such an important factor for you then yeah, the cheater is unbeatable. So an ECM nerf it shall be? I wouldn't be against it.

[Snowbluff]

ECM is already weak. Players with any amount of skill or forethought beat it.

The cheetah was just nerfed for no reason as well. Which is dumb because Clans only have 2 lights that are fast.

[martian]

Yellonet, on 26 July 2016 - 06:51 AM, said:

With ECM.

Sorry, but ECM Raven is too big and grounbound, ECM Spider has just three energy hardpoints (two of them in its fragile arm), and ECM Commando is groundbound, lighter and more fragile and mostly with missile armament. Or you can buy the ECM Locust for cash.

Honestly I think the the Firestarter is the closest match.

[Yellonet]

Wrathful Scythe, on 26 July 2016 - 06:56 AM, said:

If ECM is such an important factor for you then yeah, the cheater is unbeatable. So an ECM nerf it shall be? I wouldn't be against it.

Or just give me the FS9-S1 as suggested in OP

martian, on 26 July 2016 - 06:58 AM, said:

Sorry, but ECM Raven is too big and grounbound, ECM Spider has just three energy hardpoints (two of them in its fragile arm), and ECM Commando is groundbound, lighter and more fragile and mostly with missile armament. Or you can buy the ECM Locust for cash.

Honestly I think the the Firestarter is the closest match.

Yeah, the FS9-S1 (an S with ECM).

[Yellonet]

Snowbluff, on 26 July 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

ECM is already weak. Players with any amount of skill or forethought beat it.

The cheetah was just nerfed for no reason as well. Which is dumb because Clans only have 2 lights that are fast.

Still I see cheetahs almost every match, and it's not rare for them to be quite successful, and that is in a big way thanks to ECM.

[Snowbluff]

Yellonet, on 26 July 2016 - 07:05 AM, said:

Still I see cheetahs almost every match, and it's not rare for them to be quite successful, and that is in a big way thanks to ECM.

Well, that because the only alternative in the weight class is the Jenner IIC - which is newer and a bit bigger, but is still popular in the tournament. If we had more lights that went 130+, then you'd see those as well.

[Ruccus]

Don't discount the fact that some Inner Sphere mechs can run two mech modules in battle. While ECM is nice, being able to run Radar Deprivation and a second module aids your ability to harass enemy mechs while avoiding being targeted.

While not as good as ECM, at least the second module doesn't weigh anything.

[Davers]

The IS doesn't have a light mech with ECM, JJs, and boats energy weapons. There is no direct equivalent.

[Revis Volek]

DAYLEET, on 20 July 2016 - 03:38 PM, said:

lol, an ACH that loses an arm still has 1.25% the firepower of a locust 1E and can fire twice as long than the 1E. If youre a really good shot and take the ST off an ACH then he has slightly less firepower than a locust but the locust is dead now because the ACH isnt dead and is still busy destroying you. Either shoot the CT or the legs, everything else is wasting times.

You do know that taking off an ST of a Clan mech drop its speed by like 30%, they are real easy to core only going 100 and even easier at 40. But taking an ST or a Leg are both valid options to kill clan lights. Same goes for IS they just die a bit quicker from it cuz IS XL and PGI.


Anytime you are putting dmg on target its hardly considered a waste. Unless you are scattering it all over it 8 (or 12) components.

Davers, on 27 July 2016 - 09:54 AM, said:

The IS doesn't have a light mech with ECM, JJs, and boats energy weapons. There is no direct equivalent.

ECM isnt need to be a sneaky knife fighter nor does it have the power it used to have. ECM is kinda pointless unless you sniping once you get close enough you gotta turn it off anyway or you give yourself away on Radar even if they dont have seismic.


OP is putting too much weight in ECM, I only run 1 ACH build with ECM anymore.

Edited by Revis Volek, 27 July 2016 - 10:18 AM.

[Bud Crue]

Davers, on 27 July 2016 - 09:54 AM, said:

The IS doesn't have a light mech with ECM, JJs, and boats energy weapons. There is no direct equivalent.

Well, there is always the Locust PB. Not a fair comparison I suppose since it is a $ only mech. Plus it can run those OP machine guns.

[DAYLEET]

Revis Volek, on 27 July 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

You do know that taking off an ST of a Clan mech drop its speed by like 30%, they are real easy to core only going 100 and even easier at 40. But taking an ST or a Leg are both valid options to kill clan lights. Same goes for IS they just die a bit quicker from it cuz IS XL and PGI.

I was replying about blowing an ACH arm to reduce its damage not an ST. If you can aim for the ST you might as well aim for the legs, they are bigger and the movement penalty is greater and since most ACH have ecm you cant target them and you shoot them "blind". That said most of my kills on ACH comes from the CT because pugs be pugs and thats where the most damage is done spread, maybe because of people trying to shoot arms or st on a tiny mech.

[Agent1190]

Not sure OP was talking about a match to the ACH in combat, he's looking for the IS EQUIVALENT to the ACH.

In other words, he wants an IS light with Jump Jets, ECM and speed with decent hard points. That's why he suggested the FS9-S1.

This is a "PGI Can you give us this mech" thread, not a "help, I can't beat the ACH and I need suggestions" thread.

Edited by Agent1190, 27 July 2016 - 10:34 AM.

[Moldur]

Are you saying that PGI can't balance the game asymmetrically? Huh, who would have guessed.

Oh but heaven forbid the tech barrier goes away. We need that lore. MWO needs that heavy, deep seated lore. It really makes the game better.

[DAYLEET]

Agent1190, on 27 July 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

Not sure OP was talking about a match to the ACH in combat, he's looking for the IS EQUIVALENT to the ACH.

In other words, he wants an IS light with Jump Jets, ECM and speed with decent hard points. That's why he suggested the FS9-S1.

This is a "PGI Can you give us this mech" thread, not a "help, I can't beat the ACH and I need suggestions" thread.

I can only dream of what PGI would think a 35tonner IS mech with ECM should get for hardpoints and quirks. 1 ballistic in the head, 2 energy in the torso and 1 missile in the left arm. Quirks would be negative 5 on legs, missile cooldown 10. energy range 5% and a max engine cap of 220 and 24jumpjets.

[Monkey Lover]

legs on the firestarter is to big they get legged way to easy. Thats the reason no one is using them.

Even if you give it an ecm it will still be junk. I take a locust over a firestarter right now.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 27 July 2016 - 11:08 AM.

[Yellonet]

Agent1190, on 27 July 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

Not sure OP was talking about a match to the ACH in combat, he's looking for the IS EQUIVALENT to the ACH.

In other words, he wants an IS light with Jump Jets, ECM and speed with decent hard points. That's why he suggested the FS9-S1.

This is a "PGI Can you give us this mech" thread, not a "help, I can't beat the ACH and I need suggestions" thread.

Yay, someone gets it!

Monkey Lover, on 27 July 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

legs on the firestarter is to big they get legged way to easy. Thats the reason no one is using them.

Even if you give it an ecm it will still be junk. I take a locust over a firestarter right now.

It probably wouldn't be as good as the ACH, but ECM would still make a big difference I think.

[Terona]

Firestarter