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[An Innocent Urbie]

I just popped a hill humping blackjack when I alpha his center torso with 3x Lpl and 3x mpl.

That blackjack just went down like it was having an epileptic seizure.

I am sure he still has center torso armor although damaged already but wow coz last time they are as sturdy as its big brother the jagermech

Edited by An Innocent Urbie, 25 July 2016 - 05:41 AM.

[Metus regem]

An Innocent Urbie, on 25 July 2016 - 05:40 AM, said:

I just popped a hill humping blackjack when I alpha his center torso with 3x Lpl and 3x mpl.

That blackjack just went down like it was having an epileptic seizure.

I am sure he still has center torso armor although damaged already but wow coz last time they are as sturdy as its big brother the jagermech

They are only 45t, after much kicking and screaming PGI took away their Assault Mech level structure and gave them something in line with their weight class... But this was a while ago, then much later they got resized to where they should've been from the start.

[wikifido]

I pilot a BJ-A and after the patch I haven't really noticed a difference in the way I take damage. I did review the patch notes and I know the structure was changed, but I haven't really noticed a difference personally.

[Deathlike]

It's always "one unnecessary nerf later" that followed after "one unnecessary resizing".

[Lorian Sunrider]

BJ needed the nerf, realistically. I say this as someone who loved and elited his blackjacks fairly recently. They were ridiculously tanky before.

[Satan n stuff]

Lorian Sunrider, on 25 July 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

BJ needed the nerf, realistically. I say this as someone who loved and elited his blackjacks fairly recently. They were ridiculously tanky before.

I've played them recently, they seem to be fine now. I didn't play them when they had the ridiculous structure quirks but fighting against them they were ridiculously hard to kill.

[Wintersdark]

You hit a 45t mech in the damaged CT with, what, a 51 point alpha? Buhbai!

[Trauglodyte]

An Innocent Urbie, on 25 July 2016 - 05:40 AM, said:

I just popped a hill humping blackjack when I alpha his center torso with 3x Lpl and 3x mpl.

That blackjack just went down like it was having an epileptic seizure.

I am sure he still has center torso armor although damaged already but wow coz last time they are as sturdy as its big brother the jagermech

It's a 45 ton mech that doesn't move that quickly. Being "squishy" is relative to its armor compliment and how you play it. So, no, it isn't squishy.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Lorian Sunrider, on 25 July 2016 - 06:57 AM, said:

BJ needed the nerf, realistically.

No, this last nerf was unnecessary if the tournament scores from last week say anything about capabilities (and they definitely do).

PGI, not all IS 45 tonners have to be the worst of the class, please stop trying to bring the Blackjack down to the Vindi/Pixie's level.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 25 July 2016 - 07:31 AM.

[Yosharian]

B-b-b-but it's only a couple of medium lasers...

[Clownwarlord]

A 45 ton mech made for more weapons than engine and armor was never ment to be a tank.

[MeiSooHaityu]

The Blackjack is a 45 ton medium performing like a 45 ton medium. It's very close to the lower limit of what a medium mech is, so the fragile part seems about right. At least the BJ has high weapon mounts going for it unlike it's 45 ton level of durability cousins (Vindicator and Phoenix Hawk).

[GrimRiver]

BJ's are in their right spot now.

First they fell apart at the slightest bump then got a buff and had health equal to a 65/70 ton heavy mech(no joke, you could've done the math and find it to be true)

Now they're just a buffed 45 ton medium mech.

Now if they only could buff the poor vindy's a bit.

[WatDo]

They got their structure buffs removed and THEN got scaled up for unknown reasons, magic i guess.

So no, they're not in a good spot, honestly. The 1x seems to be ok still, simply because it can move a bit faster than the other variants.

The high alpha and constant power creep (more like a sprint now), COMBINED with the nerfs to its structure and the fact it got way bigger after said nerfs is hurting it... Along with many other mechs that are now Heavy size with Medium or Light armor.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

GrimRiver, on 25 July 2016 - 09:05 AM, said:

Now they're just a buffed 45 ton medium mech.

Being a buffed 45 ton mech isn't really a good spot when you have the two worst mediums in the game as company.....

[Trauglodyte]

People need to understand that mechs are going to continue to get nerfed as we continue to bastardize the mechs we drive. None of the BJs needed the nerf. But, people are running them with double and triple Large Pulse Lasers or multitudes of Medium Lasers/Large Lasers, thus turning them into mechs that can dish out much more damage than intended. This, as a result, forces PGI to take what should be something much more tame and beat it into the dirt because of us and our need to push things beyond the designed limits. So, f all of you for ruining a great mech and turning into less than it should have been. Is it weak? Eh, not too much so but it is still less than it should have been.

Now, if PGI would just fix quirks so that you get added benefits for running stock or near stock builds. How nice it would be to gain some lost structure quirks for running AC/2s on the BJ-1. *sigh*

[Cyborne Elemental]

Enormous CT hitbox (alot of surface area even from the side + Slow turn/twist speed on a medium = DOA

[FupDup]

Mediums aren't allowed to be as useful as the heavy/assault master races, because "tonnage bro!"

45-ton mediums in particular are meant to be inferior to all mechs 50 tons and above in all circumstances and situations, because tonnage bro.

[Drenath]

I just picked up BlackJacks with the Medium sale and it's been very disappointing so far. Chassis #15 on my mastery list.

I'd be happier about the BJ's defense without the 235 engine cap. Raven only 10T lighter is literally twice as fast. Not entirely sure where this is supposed to fit in.

[Y E O N N E]

You know...there is a problem with the Blackjack that is more severe than its condition as being 45 tons:

Torso yaw.

Why do 'Mechs like the Storm Crow and the Viper get ungodly numbers of guns and still retain such fantastic yaw? The BJ-1X has 80 degress...that's almost Battlemaster-levels of bad...and the BJ-1DC and BJ-A aren't much better. This is on a squishy, slow 'Mech. High hard-points, sure, but I still need to be able to twist, and lord help me if the fight gets close (and don't any of you mofos tell me the Arrow wasn't meant for close range). That was my biggest pet peeve during the event: you can't turn fast enough or yaw far enough to contend with even fast heavies if they get close. That's not okay. It's also hard to pull a torso completely out of the way because, you guessed it, you can't twist to a reasonable degree (heh, degrees...twisting).

I really don't mind the durability loss. It's just everything else conspires to make that nerf hurt more than it ought to. Give me more twist. If all standard Inner Sphere lasers had their duration cut by 10% (and they need it), those two things would be all the 'Mech needs.

Also, for those of you still running the BJ-1X like me, I've compromised on it for now.