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[SlightlyMobileTurret]

xTrident, on 03 August 2016 - 06:22 AM, said:

Lol, just Americans/America? I highly doubt that. I really think that's the norm for a lot of gamers.

Gaming in my country:

if you're legally old enough to drink, you aren't supposed to game anymore...lolololol

[Kangarad]

Is there any 1st world country known for not consuming large amounts of alcoholic beverages?

Also yea there seems to be those 3 or 4 guys in a match unable to do f*** all.

I also tend to drink and get some fun builds which I know wont do good but are realy fun to drive (4xuac2 HunchII cant see stuff once you begin firing but firing feel so good even when it wont do much damage)
or said 6mg Kingcrab... or the 5 tag+1spl lrm60 stalker (much fun had with macros making em look like small pulse lasers)

Its all about having fun right?

[SamsungNinja]

Alistair Winter, on 03 August 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

Them being legal was basically a premise for my point there. Wasn't that clear? I was pointing out the paradox between America's hard line on drugs and the fact that Americans enjoy a number of legal ways to get high. Not just weed and alcohol, but even painkillers and other prescription drug abuse. It's also the only country that I am aware of where the phrase "Do you like to party?" usually refers to recreational drugs.

Anyway, not to bash the ole yanks too much. But this game is predominantly played by Americans, so it's worth pointing out that a lot of the players are drunk. Especially on weekends, but even most weekdays. With weak impulse control due to being drunk or high, it's not really that strange that you see assault mechs wandering off to hunt light mechs.

You realize that using stereotypes to generalize a population is a textbook example of ignorance, though, don't you? Just replace the word "Americans" with "black people" in your comments and you'll quickly see just how bigoted it reads.

There's 330+ Million people in the country. The real percentage of white, overweight, beer-swilling dullards would probably surprise you. Spoiler: they're a minority. That's the cool thing about the USA: it's a melting pot. While white, evangelical Christians doing drugs in the church bathroom is fun for Hollywood, it's not really representative of the real composition of our country.

I could just as easily say that all Norwegian men have fabulous hair with blonde streaks, wear v-necks, and practically live in night clubs. You'd probably take issue with that assertion, and rightly so.

If you want a better view of what America really looks like, watch this:

I hope that helps you make better sense of what this country looks like when you're not peering at it through the lens of a trans-Atlantic fiber line, and actually see it from the inside.

Keep in mind that your experience with Americans is probably skewed because the Americans you meet are *gasp* on the internet, playing video games. Like you said for Norway, it's also a mainstream cultural taboo to get drunk alone, at home, in front of the computer. But, the people you interact with do. It's the norm for gamer culture, not so much for the broader American culture. Like Norway, it's expected that you're out on the town or going to a club/house party (with friends) if you're going to get smashed out of your gourde.

Edited by SamsungNinja, 03 August 2016 - 05:52 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Is this game so skillful that it should attract like players? Cause I dont think it is.

[Bishop Steiner]

Novakaine, on 03 August 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

You might be on to something I'd pay for a over forty room.

what happens to the HHoS siggy? I dug that one, bro!

Spam Lanwalker, on 03 August 2016 - 05:27 PM, said:

You forget us Brits fella , the ave brit guy consumes a shocking amount of alchohol every week (and double at least on weekends )xd

and quintuple during a football or rugby match.

[Thorqemada]

Bcs the experienced Players stopped to play/care and the inexperienced Players do not know better...
Also Mech choice has a massive influence to playstyle and success...

For me Mechwarrior is a game about Giant War Machines fighting other Giant War Machines slowly wearing down each other piece by piece until one of them is incapable of fighting (either destroyed or given up).
Salvage plays a massive role as does the decline of technological knowledge that prevents these GWMs from being used at their full potential but run at barely maintained level that makes the Pilot an urgent part of the GWM by being the person that finds/offers workarounds to overcome the shortcomings in knowledge and maintenance.

Clans destoy Battletech/Mechwarrior every single time and shouild be rewritten,

I have no more fun to play this game but for nostalgia i still look into it now and then...

Edited by Thorqemada, 04 August 2016 - 12:16 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Novakaine, on 03 August 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

You might be on to something I'd pay for a over forty room.

bunch of geezers tossing LRMs at each other while sipping their Metamucil.....

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

So wait, american steraotypes and drinking are why players are bad in this game or is this thread hilariously derailed?

[GRiPSViGiL]

Alistair Winter, on 03 August 2016 - 12:35 PM, said:

I definitely think that strong penalties for people who use recreational drugs has proven very inefficient. For most drugs, it may be better to just make it legal and controlled by the state. But not all drugs, obviously. Some drugs are just too dangerous.

I say let Darwin sort them out.

[Papaspud]

Alistair Winter, on 03 August 2016 - 05:36 AM, said:

It starts to make sense when you consider how many Americans play this game while they're drinking or smoking weed. For a country engaged in a "war on drugs", they certainly don't like to be sober.

Hey, I resemble that remark, you take that back...............

[Mister Blastman]

xTrident, on 03 August 2016 - 06:22 AM, said:

Lol, just Americans/America? I highly doubt that. I really think that's the norm for a lot of gamers.

Not this one. I don't drink, don't smoke, and don't do drugs. I'm boring.

[FupDup]

Mister Blastman, on 03 August 2016 - 07:12 PM, said:

Not this one. I don't drink, don't smoke, and don't do drugs. I'm boring.

You're not the only one.

[YourSaviorLegion]

Mole, on 03 August 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

@OP: I dunno man. MWO hardly seems like a special case. I see people going full ****** like this in pretty much every somewhat similar game I've ever played such as World of Tanks and War Thunder.

War Thunder is possibly the worst I've seen, people still don't know how to fly in late game planes. Trivial tasks such as landing the plane without ripping your wings/gear I see people screw up on all the time...

[SamsungNinja]

YourSaviorLegion, on 03 August 2016 - 07:37 PM, said:

War Thunder is possibly the worst I've seen, people still don't know how to fly in late game planes. Trivial tasks such as landing the plane without ripping your wings/gear I see people screw up on all the time...

The margin of error is proportional to the rate of failure.

...and yet people continue to wonder why Light 'mechs are played less.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

YourSaviorLegion, on 03 August 2016 - 07:37 PM, said:

War Thunder is possibly the worst I've seen, people still don't know how to fly in late game planes. Trivial tasks such as landing the plane without ripping your wings/gear I see people screw up on all the time...

or ramming... cause yeah

[InspectorG]

oneda, on 03 August 2016 - 05:27 AM, said:

SO far what I said (eg: you cant disengage in that mech, dont engage alone, thats suicide) wont stop ppl. Even pointing out that two mechs just died and running single file is suicide usually doesnt convince anybody.

How do you guys react or how to you manage to stop ppl from doing that?

MWO is very unlike most shooters.

MWO is a zero-sum game of COMBINED firepower. No respawns: HP is a non-renewing resource.

People play like CoD, go run and try to kill something until you get a positive KDR.

People dont realize in MWO you want 3-4 pugmates to focus down an enemy of choice( usually a heavy because mobility+firepower)

they also dont realize that doing tons of damage and getting kills is good...but not great. great is kills with the LEAST damage needed. thats counter-intuitive to most.

Get a 3 mech lead and the reds will have a hard time. Many dont understand the math in this concept because ts not that important in games with respawns.


Its part stupidity/ignorance and part instinct/tunnel vision.

MWO is quite like boxing IMO. Hit the other guy first, hard, fast and DONT GET HIT IN RETURN.
Win with the fewest strokes(KO) like in MWO.
MOVE to set up angles and take initiative. Camping feels safe until you realize the reds have initiative and all the good angles.

And on top of this, like boxing, once hurt, players cringe and reduce output instead or realizing even if gimped, presenting another target to the reds during a push makes reds have to make more choices which helps teammates instead of running off and hiding hoping the friendlies can carry you(non conquest of course).

And just like in boxing, bad fighters think in terms of front aggro - back defense, where good fighters think in terms of lateral movement and 'turning the opponent', and great fighters think of the above but with off-set timing and avoiding shot without moving too much(slips, dips, rolls, stuffs, clinch, pulls, and splitting punches)

TL;DR: basically they only use their brainstem.

[SamsungNinja]

InspectorG, on 03 August 2016 - 07:51 PM, said:

TL;DR: basically they only use their brainstem.

Still laughing at that. Oh, man. You got me with that. Almost shot soda out my nose. Hahaha

[JigglyMoobs]

oneda, on 03 August 2016 - 05:27 AM, said:

So my question....why do so many ppl blindly suicide. Run right at the enmy and die.

And why do 1 - 2 other mechs usually do the very same thing even though they just saw their pal died right away. And still they run the same way, meet the enemy and they die too.

What is the mindset/motivation behind that?

Because there's a Pikachu over there.....

[Alistair Winter]

SamsungNinja, on 03 August 2016 - 05:45 PM, said:

You realize that using stereotypes to generalize a population is a textbook example of ignorance, though, don't you? Just replace the word "Americans" with "black people" in your comments and you'll quickly see just how bigoted it reads.

It depends on what kind of statement you make. "Black people" is a fairly vague term and rarely very useful in itself. But even when you're looking at massive populations, massive cultures, such as the Americans, the Indians, the Chinese, the Russians, the Germans and the Japanese, it's possible to identify certain cultural differences, whilst accepting that they don't apply to everyone. The idea that it's bigoted to talk about German culture (80+ million people) versus Pakistani culture (180 million people) in broad terms is just very silly to me. Bigotry has nothing to do with it.

SamsungNinja, on 03 August 2016 - 05:45 PM, said:

There's 330+ Million people in the country. The real percentage of white, overweight, beer-swilling dullards would probably surprise you. Spoiler: they're a minority. That's the cool thing about the USA: it's a melting pot. While white, evangelical Christians doing drugs in the church bathroom is fun for Hollywood, it's not really representative of the real composition of our country.

Yes, America is a melting pot for a variety of different cultures. The Irish, the Italians, the Chinese, the Africans, the Japanese, the Polish, the Pakistani... indeed, almost a million people immigrated from Norway to America in the 1800's, which is almost half as many as the Irish. But whatever their original background and ancestry... there's a lot of drunk Americans playing MWO.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

SamsungNinja, on 03 August 2016 - 05:45 PM, said:

I could just as easily say that all Norwegian men have fabulous hair with blonde streaks, wear v-necks, and practically live in night clubs. You'd probably take issue with that assertion, and rightly so.

Depends on the context, but that's a different kind of stereotype. I'm not saying that all stereotypes are accurate or useful. If you had said that Norwegians generally tend to drink until they vomit or pass out more than other cultures, then I'd be more inclined to listen. While alcohol consumption seems to be decreasing across Europe, it's still increasing in Norway. (However, it's actually decreasing amongst younger Norwegians, partially because of weed, perhaps)

There are many broad generalisations that can be useful.

SamsungNinja, on 03 August 2016 - 05:45 PM, said:

I hope that helps you make better sense of what this country looks like when you're not peering at it through the lens of a trans-Atlantic fiber line, and actually see it from the inside.
Keep in mind that your experience with Americans is probably skewed because the Americans you meet are *gasp* on the internet, playing video games.

Actually, I have family in America, whom I have visited several times. I've also been to different parts of the US on holiday several times, since I was a boy. But anyway, there's nothing wrong with trying to identify patterns based on limited experience. If you play video games all day and you notice that Americans are often talking about how drunk or high they are, more so than Europeans, it could very well be accurate. Or maybe everyone's drunk, but Americans are the only ones who find it socially acceptable enough to talk about it a lot, who knows?

SamsungNinja, on 03 August 2016 - 05:45 PM, said:

Like you said for Norway, it's also a mainstream cultural taboo to get drunk alone, at home, in front of the computer. But, the people you interact with do. It's the norm for gamer culture, not so much for the broader American culture. Like Norway, it's expected that you're out on the town or going to a club/house party (with friends) if you're going to get smashed out of your gourde.

What about adults (not teenagers) just enjoying a six-pack of beer at home, alone, without getting entirely wasted? While doing whatever. Watching TV, fixing your car, etc. Cultural taboo? Or is it mainly the computer that makes it taboo?

[Revis Volek]

Mister Blastman, on 03 August 2016 - 07:12 PM, said:

Not this one. I don't drink, don't smoke, and don't do drugs. I'm boring.

and more then likely have more money then the rest of us that drink or smoke it up daily. lol