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[Johnny Z]

Mazzyplz, on 03 August 2016 - 07:02 PM, said:

all of this looks bad.

i realize now i am too hard on mwo.

i would prefer mech driving any day to those console player games - and i say that with the utmost derision, even contempt and disgust

There is a whole chorus singing like you. Asking for things players don't want, never wanted and never dreamed of in games. This chorus is trying desperately to drown out legit players and doing a fairly good job of it.

Players want guilds. Not.
Players want item and lvl grinding. Not.
etc.

None of these things are in those promotional videos. None.

I do agree console gamers have had even less choice with their games. The console push is being backed up by armies of trolls and cheats on the internet on computer games even.

Don't get me wrong I like the PS 4. A lot. Maybe its competitors to if they handnt of got all trashy demanding online all the time.

If it wasn't for Play Station the entire game landscape would be a smoldering ruin if its competitors had their way. Play Stations competition left to rule consoles would have completely crushed PC gaming by now. Fact.

Edited by Johnny Z, 03 August 2016 - 07:17 PM.

[SamsungNinja]

Old MW4 Ranger, on 03 August 2016 - 07:05 PM, said:

PVE is not only Campaign ...seeing the Missions, Historical Missions by War thudner, or the coop and PVe missions ,and the opnen World with Sectorwar by Star Conflict ...BT is combined Warfare , not only Mechstomping...mechs very rare in the bT universe, the conventional Units the mass of the battlefields ..Ähmmm Battlefields ????...evry seeing battlefields in MWO.PGI make with BT/MW what make Mektek with the heavy Gear universe ..a arena Shooter...PVe is a living world ,not steril clean arena stomping

Edited by SamsungNinja, 03 August 2016 - 07:16 PM.

[Pjwned]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 03 August 2016 - 06:37 PM, said:

Step one drop the stupid esports horseshit

fixed that for you

While I agree that PGI needs to get their act together (part of which can be accomplished by flushing the e-sports crap down the toilet), that doesn't mean it's time to turn everything on its *** now because players aren't happy with the game not being enough of a "mech sim."

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We TOLD them what we wanted. Some literally for YEARS theyve ignored us EVERY TIME at EVERY TURN, even from when we were told underlined and bolded about their pillars of development, that turned from pillars into the position at the time. Theyve been given EVERY opportunity to show us theyre more than their history shows, but theyve lived up to their own legacy perfectly.

The BS excuse of "thisa is what we have or itll be decades..." was BS the first time it was spouted in CB and its JUST as BS now

I'm not seeing what this has to do with the game being a "mech sim" or not, so it seems like I'm either correct that players who clamor for a "mech sim" don't actually know what they want, or your problem is actually with something else.

What deviations from the "pillars of development" made this game into less of a "mech sim" anyways?

Old MW4 Ranger, on 03 August 2016 - 07:05 PM, said:

PVE is not only Campaign ...seeing the Missions, Historical Missions by War thudner, or the coop and PVe missions ,and the opnen World with Sectorwar by Star Conflict ...BT is combined Warfare , not only Mechstomping...mechs very rare in the bT universe, the conventional Units the mass of the battlefields ..Ähmmm Battlefields ????...evry seeing battlefields in MWO.PGI make with BT/MW what make Mektek with the heavy Gear universe ..a arena Shooter...PVe is a living world ,not steril clean arena stomping

Pretty sure you should look elsewhere for that, since it's been clear for a long time now that's not what MWO is or was going to be.

As far as I can tell that's pretty much what HBS Battletech is going to be though, so maybe try that instead.

Edited by Pjwned, 03 August 2016 - 09:27 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

If you want to know why this version of MechWarrior is not a single player game as the OP demands, then read this.

http://mwomercs.com/...10/2-dev-blog-0

[Kyrie]

Prosperity Park, on 03 August 2016 - 07:28 PM, said:

If you want to know why this version of MechWarrior is not a single player game as the OP demands, then read this.

http://mwomercs.com/...10/2-dev-blog-0

I dont think we want to dredge up that particular sadness of the days of Founding Promises and broken Pillars, seriously. ;-)

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Kyrie, on 03 August 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

I dont think we want to dredge up that particular sadness of the days of Founding Promises and broken Pillars, seriously. ;-)

also that the game NOW hardly resembles any of that lol

[Johnny Z]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 03 August 2016 - 06:43 PM, said:

Yes, I was expecting the mech simulator that they USED to say right on their own web page till that was no longer convenient for them and they removed that claim





Dont forget that one.

But its not false advertising because a fan made it right?



Youve been here long enough not to be able to pretend that this wasnt EXACTLY what we were told this game was going to be. Dont pretend otherwise.

It was on the description for the ******* game until when even THEY realized it wasnt that anymore and had to remove it from the web site

That trailer looks exactly like the game I am playin with some music added. This trailer below is awesome and looks nothing like the game and represents it in no way.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Johnny Z, on 03 August 2016 - 07:37 PM, said:

That trailer looks exactly like the game I am playin with some music added. This trailer below is awesome and looks nothing like the game and represents it in no way.

Get your objective message out of here! Here ye be salty!

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

SamsungNinja, on 03 August 2016 - 07:16 PM, said:

how is this a defense exactly?

Biting off more than you can chew is a BAD thing, not one to be lauded

Johnny Z, on 03 August 2016 - 07:37 PM, said:

That trailer looks exactly like the game I am playin with some music added.

really? I want in on the 30 vs 30 mod you have

[SamsungNinja]

Johnny Z, on 03 August 2016 - 07:37 PM, said:

That trailer looks exactly like the game I am playin with some music added. This trailer below is awesome and looks nothing like the game and represents it in no way.

I'm glad someone else said what I was thinking.

I don't understand otherbro's twisted panties with regards to Celestial filming both teams rolling over a hill together. It looks cool, he did it in the game. There's nothing falsified. Are you able to see that in-game? Yes. Is it likely that you will see it happen in the wild? Hell no. But that's hardly the point. If trailers looked like gameplay, 90% of games on the market would look like a chicken-without-a-head fustercluck while people yell obscenities in the background.

I'm sorry, I just can't wrap my head around the mental gymnastics you had to do in order to believe the notion that a player-made trailer, using a Commando as a camera, could be considered false advertising. Everything in that was created with the public client.

Brain. Can't. AMG. TOO MUCH ERRG.

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 03 August 2016 - 07:41 PM, said:

how is this a defense exactly?

Biting off more than you can chew is a BAD thing, not one to be lauded

You really don't understand sarcastic condescension, do you?

Edited by SamsungNinja, 03 August 2016 - 07:48 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

SamsungNinja, on 03 August 2016 - 07:46 PM, said:

Is it likely that you will see it happen in the wild? Hell no.

Is it likely to actually happen in the game theyre showing that it in? no.

Hence false advertising. And to someone who knows nothing about the game, it looks like an official video (by dint of it being posted by mwo's official Youtube) and ... yeah. Your mental gymnastics to be able to DEFEND this is faaaar more taxing lol

[SamsungNinja]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 03 August 2016 - 07:49 PM, said:

Is it likely to actually happen in the game theyre showing that it in? no.

Hence false advertising. And to someone who knows nothing about the game, it looks like an official video (by dint of it being posted by mwo's official Youtube) and ... yeah. Your mental gymnastics to be able to DEFEND this is faaaar more taxing lol

It's possible within the confines of the game. Demonstrably not false advertising.

Celestial has made some of the best fan trailers on the internet, let alone being the best in the MWO community. I want to see your sterile trailer and then we'll do a side-by-side. My guess is that Celestial's is still better, even if it takes some creative liberties.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

SamsungNinja, on 03 August 2016 - 07:54 PM, said:

Celestial has made

Im looking at the youtube page. I just dont see anywhere where it says that this was fan made and not official. maybe you can point it out for me?



its even posted up by the official mwo account. Now, where would someone who knows nothing about the game (IE one who is looking for a new game, to whom this would be an advertisement FOR) see that this was fan made and not dev made?

Nowhere. Thats where. So the argument that its fan made is moot when its presented like its not.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 03 August 2016 - 08:04 PM.

[SamsungNinja]

[meteorol]

I can't get rid of the feeling that johnny z and mudhutwarrior are one Person with some kind of split personality

[TLBFestus]

Darian DelFord, on 03 August 2016 - 05:02 PM, said:

They tried that once already, the community quickly showed them the complete lack of faith we had for them.

Here's a shorter video version of how "The Space Sim that must not be named" actually worked out. Notice the MWO fan base in the background;

[Dino Might]

Pjwned, on 03 August 2016 - 06:02 PM, said:

If players who want a "mech-sim" knew what they want then why don't they make it clear what they want? Maybe they do know what they want but their ideas are atrociously bad and they already know that so they don't bother posting their ideas? That would make sense too I guess.

I'm not expecting an answer.

Go search all my feature suggestions posts, as well as a number I made in gen disc., one of the most recent being sensor mechanics. Tell me I don't know what I want or how it should work in game...

[Tezcatli]

PGI is lacking in experience. That's become my opinion after all these years. A lot of development was two steps forward and one step back. I think their lack of experience is part of why they don't step too far out of their comfort zone. If it were up to me, I would say they need to add more modes and focus on immersion elements.

I wouldn't mind seeing a bigger company use the IP. But not at the cost of all the people at PGI losing their jobs. If the day comes they feel they can no longer afford to keep developing them game, then I hope they choose wisely who they sell to. There are companies out there that are worse. That would make no honest attempt at game development and just try to milk the game for all its worth.

[Mystere]

Darian DelFord, on 03 August 2016 - 05:02 PM, said:

They tried that once already, the community quickly showed them the complete lack of faith we had for them.

If they're going to copy the Dralthi, they at the very least should get it right. <shrugs>

[kesmai]

Ja ja.
You are all right. And wrong.
I want to see that they are able to stick to something.
I want to see them having real interest in their game and franchise.
As a minor example I have to mention the planet description on the fw map.
This principle is written all over the game.
Start something, but put no effort into completing it.
Do finish something that you started pgi. Just once.
There are so many loose ends lying around. Pick them up and finish your work.
I feel that they rather continue their band aid policy cos it is less effort.

Edited by kesmai, 03 August 2016 - 11:09 PM.