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[Deathlike]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

How is it flawed?

This is what I am talking about. You just assert things and dont provide context or even begin to provide details. As the command wheel stands its pretty good. You have to remember that they idea is to get the teammates attention. Not only does it highlight on the map, their is voice comms. Can it be better? sure, but dont sit here and say its crap. You should watch who you call ignorant. From what i remember every time you come on a thread you rarely say anything worth responding too.

You haven't paid attention to one lick of the feedback threads that existed. So, again... if you don't know what a well-designed commo-rose looks like (and admittedly everyone has different opinions for what they need), then you're not really using it or using a better one well enough to decide these things.

One of the long standing issues with the command map.. was issuing orders. You had to issue it to three difference lances despite being a Company Commander. The commo rose changes didn't even solve that (remember, Russ/PGI said these things were tied to changes with the Command Map).

In addition... besides the common spam usage of the commo rose (Affirmative, Negative, and Sorry).. the "Help Me" option is not very useful. It doesn't provide coordinates as part of the message. You'd have to spend some time, potentially in the middle of combat to look at the minimap to find said player. Again, this is not useful enough.

You can pretend to believe that it's fine.. but it's not. What we keep asking PGI to do when they implement stuff is to refine it immediately for the purposes of making it better... but there's no feedback from PGI nor acknowledgement that these will be even addressed (let alone there are issues with the existing implementation). So, that's why these gripes exist. If you choose to be ignorant... that's fine... but to say there wasn't any feedback of the sort about these issues... that's insane.

[Baulven]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 03:15 PM, said:

now you going on with nonsense. I didnt even see the point you making. What does failing to meet deadlines have to do with anything?

[color=#292F33]Energy Draw is currently being working on and adjusted and we still plan to have a fully public test sometime in the next few weeks.[/color]

[color=#292F33]"We will meet on that document sometime fairly soon then we will circle back to the community on our intentions. ETA ~2 weeks."[/color]

There thats russ stating when they should have docs up. Or what they have in store for the coming month.

There you go, problem solved

Please dont bring up the deadlines nonsense. I dont have the time for that.

Without an updated road map you have no idea if those features have been pushed, remain on track or were scrapped altogether. Since April I have seen all three things occur to things on road maps, so no we don't have any idea what we are suppose to be expecting for the months patch. This is why they pushed the map prior to the month in question.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Baulven, on 07 August 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Without an updated road map you have no idea if those features have been pushed, remain on track or were scrapped altogether. Since April I have seen all three things occur to things on road maps, so no we don't have any idea what we are suppose to be expecting for the months patch. This is why they pushed the map prior to the month in question.

while it is true that things can change, and keep in mind this is from russ's twitter. So i can expect that the write up will be somewhat differnt. with that being said its ridiculous to chastise them for not putting up a roadmap when you expect them to.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Appogee, on 06 August 2016 - 04:08 AM, said:

6 August and still no Road Map for the next month.

I was concerned when patches went from twice-monthly to monthly. Then Monthly Road Maps turned into Three-Monthly Road Maps.

But now we can't even get a Three-Monthly Road Map before the actual three months starts...? The apathy is palpable.

I think it's important to give players - customers, and potential customer - something to look forward to, and to keep them engaged.

YAMP* alone isn't cutting it any more.












* YAMP = "Yet Another Mech Pack".

To be honest there hasnt been anything thats looked like some kind of forward vision with this game since the dev interviews pages back before CB. There used to be a huge section of the page (dunno if its still there or not) where they laid out their plans for what they were going to do with the game.

And it seems whenever theres an issue in the game where the players are upset, we get, instead of promises of fixes or anything, a new pack for people to throw money at. Its happened for a long time now.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 07 August 2016 - 03:39 PM.

[Deathlike]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

while it is true that things can change, and keep in mind this is from russ's twitter. So i can expect that the write up will be somewhat differnt. with that being said its ridiculous to chastise them for not putting up a roadmap when you expect them to.

Guys, these are the people Russ is catering to.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 03:15 PM, said:

Please dont bring up the deadlines nonsense. I dont have the time for that.

ah, dont bring up the truth cause *fingers in ears* "LALALALA"

Deathlike, on 07 August 2016 - 03:37 PM, said:

Guys, these are the people Russ is catering to.

No, the people cashing in on nostalgia by buying the mechs no matter what, are the ppl he's catering to. And that pool is getting smaller and more island like every day

Oh, for those who werent there for it, I can help with the history anyways (and it ends not because the game got better but because the guy making it left and stopped updating it)

http://www.tiki-toki...ng-Expectations

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 07 August 2016 - 03:41 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Deathlike, on 07 August 2016 - 03:37 PM, said:

Guys, these are the people Russ is catering to.

really? they are catering to me? jee, i didnt know that

Im sorry i dont just make up stuff.

Well, come january ill come a knocking on doors while your pretending as if you didnt say half the things you said on this thread.

Of course if i just picked and choose the facts that i want then i would probably be a bit like you. what a world

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 07 August 2016 - 03:52 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

while it is true that things can change, and keep in mind this is from russ's twitter. So i can expect that the write up will be somewhat differnt. with that being said its ridiculous to chastise them for not putting up a roadmap when you expect them to.

so what youre saying is its their position at the time?

where have I heard that before?

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

Of course if i just picked and choose the facts

me neither, hence the link up above

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

i would probably be a bit like you. what a world

hey whats the personal attacking got to do with the argument?

[BLOOD WOLF]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 07 August 2016 - 03:52 PM, said:

so what youre saying is its their position at the time?

where have I heard that before?

This is what I am talking about. how daft of you to criticize them and then mare the threads with nonsense. you dont have the right to criticize anyone really, especially after being so condescending towards people.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

This is what I am talking about. how daft of you to criticize them and then mare the threads with nonsense. you dont have the right to criticize anyone really, especially after being so condescending towards people.

You dont seem to understand how this is supposed to work... youre supposed to attack the argument not the player. Or thats how it used to be, guess they changed those rules hence I got [redacted] for reporting someone doing that

here, ill help

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SPAMMING / TROLLING / UNCONSTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR


Engaging in any of the following actions while using PGI services is forbidden:

• Causing disturbances, such as picking fights, making off topic posts that derail a discussion, or insulting other individuals.

When youre spending more time fighting and attacking other players than you are talking about the subject, its bad, m'kay? That goes for everyone, not just that guy. Can we get back on topic before they lock the thread?

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 07 August 2016 - 04:00 PM.

[Kael Posavatz]

Baulven, on 07 August 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Without an updated road map you have no idea if those features have been pushed, remain on track or were scrapped altogether. Since April I have seen all three things occur to things on road maps, so no we don't have any idea what we are suppose to be expecting for the months patch. This is why they pushed the map prior to the month in question.

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

while it is true that things can change, and keep in mind this is from russ's twitter. So i can expect that the write up will be somewhat differnt. with that being said its ridiculous to chastise them for not putting up a roadmap when you expect them to.

And PGI staff have posted about these items. Tina in particular has confirmed the timeline for the summary document on the Round-Table and when it will be addressed.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

How weird is it when IM the one calling for the sanity of returning to the topic

[Deathlike]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

really? they are catering to me? jee, i didnt know that

Im sorry i dont just make up stuff.

Well, come january ill come a knocking on doors while your pretending as if you didnt say half the things you said on this thread.

Of course if i just picked and choose the facts that i want then i would probably be a bit like you. what a world

I'm not making up stuff either.

You're simply choosing to ignore what has happened.

That's not my problem.

Obviously ignoring what the minimap patch day complaints from many others is not enough for you.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Kael Posavatz, on 07 August 2016 - 03:58 PM, said:

And PGI staff have posted about these items. Tina in particular has confirmed the timeline for the summary document on the Round-Table and when it will be addressed.

I actually am not to fond of the roundtable, but there was some gems.

Deathlike, on 07 August 2016 - 04:02 PM, said:

I'm not making up stuff either.

You're simply choosing to ignore what has happened.

That's not my problem.

Obviously ignoring what the minimap patch day complaints from many others is not enough for you.

I didnt ignore the minimap complaints, I was one who also complained but what does that have to do with this thread? If your gonna say that i ignored everything your gonna have to qoute me.

and yea, you are making stuff up, as well as others in this thread. Being discontent about the speed of progress is one thing, but when you start picking and choosing the bits of information that suite your agenda then we have problem.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 07 August 2016 - 04:20 PM.

[RestosIII]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 03:15 PM, said:

What does failing to meet deadlines have to do with anything?

And before you say "Oh, but it's Twitter, you shouldn't take it seriously like it was a proper deadline!". Twitter is the only way we can communicate with PGI. It's the only way they communicate with us outside of the announcements page. So when we see Russ say one thing publicly, we should ASSUME he's not spouting hot air. That's a deadline he gave himself by saying it in a public setting. That's one he missed. You don't do that. All I can hope for right now is proper communication and professionalism. Neither of which we're getting.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 07 August 2016 - 04:01 PM, said:

How weird is it when IM the one calling for the sanity of returning to the topic

I'm with you there, i was asking for that for almost three pages now i believe.

I dont understand, if you wanted to make a thread about the slowness of their progress or how inept PGI as making a game or fixing CW. All you have to do is make the topic.

[Deathlike]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 04:16 PM, said:

I didnt ignore the minimap complaints, I was one who also complained but what does that have to do with this thread? If your gonna say that i ignored everything your gonna have to qoute me.

There's nothing to quote if you're ignoring reality.

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and yea, you are making stuff up, as well as others in this thread. Being discontent about the speed of progress is one thing, but when you start picking and choosing the bits of information that suite your agenda then we have problem.

There's nothing to make out. Sources include the previous Town Hall (not the round table one about FW).

https://www.reddit.c...tes_thing_june/

Unless, you believe that stuff from the Town Hall was made up.. then that's on you.

There was supposed to be some zoom (probably not at the specific July patch, but later on - it's just fixed to whatever predefined zoom level).

There's not much of an agenda other than wanting the game to not suck, and have a legitimate reason to play it. How do you even dispute how you have to repeat the command 3 times on the Command Map? This was a longstanding issue with the Command Map.. only to be repeated again post Commo-Rose.

Edited by Deathlike, 07 August 2016 - 04:27 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

RestosIII, on 07 August 2016 - 04:21 PM, said:

And before you say "Oh, but it's Twitter, you shouldn't take it seriously like it was a proper deadline!". Twitter is the only way we can communicate with PGI. It's the only way they communicate with us outside of the announcements page. So when we see Russ say one thing publicly, we should ASSUME he's not spouting hot air. That's a deadline he gave himself by saying it in a public setting. That's one he missed. You don't do that. All I can hope for right now is proper communication and professionalism. Neither of which we're getting.

and i am saying who cares? your getting mad that he didnt post one last friday? well if i hold anyone to what they said just in this thread, i cant expect much from anyone. Fair enough but i dont mind if its by the 15th as long as we get it a week before the patch.

Deathlike, on 07 August 2016 - 04:25 PM, said:

There's nothing to quote if you're ignoring reality.



There's nothing to make out. Sources include the previous Town Hall (not the round table one about FW).

https://www.reddit.c...tes_thing_june/

Unless, you believe that stuff from the Town Hall was made up.. then that's on you.

There's not much of an agenda other than wanting the game to not suck, and have a legitimate reason to play it. How do you even dispute how you have to repeat the command 3 times on the Command Map? This was a longstanding issue with the Command Map.. only to be repeated again post Commo-Rose.

You want the game to improve, and I want the game to improve. Bam there we go, we agree.

[John McHobo]

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We have no idea what the next big thing is. Information warfare and heat scale is being talked about. Assault 2.0 will be here in September. PVE and new skill trees... at some point. But what is the current priority? What is the big upcoming release that everyone can look forward to? Zero information. PVE and Solaris could be here for christmas, or it could be here 5 years from now. Nobody knows.

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Twitter is the only way we can communicate with PGI

The lack of communications has become astounding lately.
That Twitter Nonsense offends me the most. We have a community forum which Bullock visited as of this post on the 12th of May, while somewhere in the Twitterverse statements are made.

Does Tina still work at PGI by the way? I miss her videos.

[Deathlike]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 04:26 PM, said:

and i am saying who cares? your getting mad that he didnt post one last friday? well if i hold anyone to what they said just in this thread, i cant expect much from anyone. Fair enough but i dont mind if its by the 15th as long as we get it a week before the patch.

If that's the kind of bar you're setting... you might as well expect things supposed to be done in August to then eventually be implemented in December.

Holding people to their word is a thing... and while you don't seem to care... eventually the issue you may have may not ever be answered or addressed in any timely manner. But hey... it's acceptable when it's finally listened to in 2017 or later.