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[EvilCow]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 04:36 PM, said:

THIS THREAD IS DONE

Just count your posts after this statement.

[Appogee]

EvilCow, on 07 August 2016 - 09:30 PM, said:

Just count your posts after this statement.

And when PGI finally bothers to post a road map - probably late today, based on Tweets - he'll be back in this thread claiming that the publication of the roadmap invalidates this thread.

Because, despite all his posts and responses, he still hasn't grasped the the original point that the lack of on-time publication of a road map creates an impression of lack of forward momentum for the game, and this damages player confidence in the future, and engagement with the game.

Edited by Appogee, 07 August 2016 - 09:51 PM.

[Deathlike]

Appogee, on 07 August 2016 - 09:50 PM, said:

And when PGI finally bothers to post a road map - probably late today, based on Tweets - he'll be back in this thread claiming that the publication of the roadmap invalidates this thread.

Because, despite all his posts and responses, he still hasn't grasped the the original point that the lack of on-time publication of a road map creates an impression of lack of forward momentum for the game, and this damages player confidence in the future, and engagement with the game.

It wouldn't be too hard to say "I was little busy - will have one soon™ or X day"... but that'll take too long to type with 140 characters.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Appogee, on 07 August 2016 - 09:50 PM, said:

And when PGI finally bothers to post a road map - probably late today, based on Tweets - he'll be back in this thread claiming that the publication of the roadmap invalidates this thread.

Because, despite all his posts and responses, he still hasn't grasped the the original point that the lack of on-time publication of a road map creates an impression of lack of forward momentum for the game, and this damages player confidence in the future, and engagement with the game.

nobody is gonna agree that not posting a roadmap in accordiance to your liking is gonna damage player confidence. You made a claim that you need to prove. I already showed you that the same thing happened in april and nobody cared.

you have to give evidence for your claims, and you dont have any evidence to show that a lack of producing a road map will lead to anything you stated. I know in your world things can just be asserted but everyone else requires a bit of evidence.

And no, russ releasing a roadmap wont invalidate your thread, the thread was already invalidated the second i pointed out that the April roadmap was posted on the 7th and nobody gave a who. I like to contend with facts not conjecture. I am sorry if that bothers you

[Appogee]

Deathlike, on 07 August 2016 - 10:00 PM, said:

It wouldn't be too hard to say "I was little busy - will have one soon™ or X day"... but that'll take too long to type with 140 characters.

Actually, last week Russ committed (on Twitter) to publishing one by the end of the week. But then the end of the week came and went.

(And that's what prompted me to write the original post.)

But if someone feels too busy to spend a scant half hour writing to their customers and help them stay excited about future, then surely they have their priorities wrong?

[dervishx5]

I agree that player confidence is shaken by a lack of a roadmap

[BLOOD WOLF]

Appogee, on 07 August 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

Actually, last week Russ committed (on Twitter) to publishing one by the end of the week. But then the end of the week came and went.

(And that's what prompted me to write the original post.)

But if someone feels too busy to spend a scant half hour writing to their customers and help them stay excited about future, then surely they have their priorities wrong?

well towards the end aren't you being a bit condescending?

dervishx5, on 07 August 2016 - 10:14 PM, said:

I agree that player confidence is shaken by a lack of a roadmap

You have to demonstrate that.

2. your assuming that there is something for them to gain by not releasing a roadmap. I actually have not seen many threads concerning the lack of a roadmap within the first 2 weeks. Is it really that big of a deal?

I actually want a roadmap the same as the rest of you. What i dont agree on is the implications.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 07 August 2016 - 10:18 PM.

[Appogee]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

nobody is gonna agree that not posting a roadmap in accordiance to your liking is gonna damage player confidence. You made a claim that you need to prove.

30 people clicked "like" on my original post. Many many others have written in this thread - which is now 15 pages long - to share their concern about where the game is headed.

And still you claim there's no "evidence", and that these are mere "assertions"? And cite the late publication of the former 3-month roadmap as if it's some kind of defense for being even later this time?!

Well, enjoy your delusional state. Here's a happy unicorn to keep you company in your fantasy world.

Edited by Appogee, 07 August 2016 - 10:18 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

30? how many people respond and are active on these forums?

a greater majority didnt even engage or give a like,so do i assume that means anything?

If i made a thread in the fashion of drawing conclusions about them not having a roadmap within the first 2 weeks will probably generate some likes as well. That doesn't tell me anything.

you jumped the gun, but you wont admit it

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 07 August 2016 - 10:23 PM.

[Imperius]

Lack of delivering on many things said to be delivered sooner than later has "closed my wallet" Blood Wolf don't worry buddy we will be around when you get burned too.

The first step of recovery is admitting you're a white knight.

I mean how do you think I feel i lost over $2500 to this game at this point and I have to accept that. All I wanted was a solid Mechwarrior game with stand alone PVE on a stable good engine and my Mad Cat MK II.

Do I have any of those yet? Nope has all of them mentioned or should I say dangled in front of me? Yes...

[TLBFestus]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

nobody is gonna agree that not posting a roadmap in accordiance to your liking is gonna damage player confidence. You made a claim that you need to prove. I already showed you that the same thing happened in april and nobody cared.

I agree with him. It demonstrates a lack of awareness or attention to detail that's prevalent within PGI. I've become so used to it that I almost don't notice it anymore.

It's the old "put a frog in water and slowly heat it up" theory.

Best you can claim is that "YOU don't agree". Quit assuming you are speaking for everyone.

[Imperius]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

30? how many people respond and are active on these forums?

a greater majority didnt even engage or give a like,so do i assume that means anything?

Well I can assure you those active are not devs... otherwise this wouldn't have got to 15 pages.

#EchoChamber

[Deathlike]

Appogee, on 07 August 2016 - 10:17 PM, said:

30 people clicked "like" on my original post. Many many others have written in this thread - which is now 15 pages long - to share their concern about where the game is headed.

And still you claim there's no "evidence", and that these are mere "assertions"? And cite the late publication of the former 3-month roadmap as if it's some kind of defense for being even later this time?!

Well, enjoy your delusional state. Here's a happy unicorn to keep you company in your fantasy world.

We need moar unicorns!

Phoenix Hawks, Vindicators, Spider-5Vs (or 6MG Spiders for that matter) are everywhere!

Happy Days with Pretty Babies!

Edited by Deathlike, 07 August 2016 - 10:26 PM.

[dervishx5]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

30? how many people respond and are active on these forums?

Well there's your clue right there. The traffic on the forums has dropped dramatically. Even the hardcore nerds are leaving.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Imperius, on 07 August 2016 - 10:23 PM, said:

Well I can assure you those active are not devs... otherwise this wouldn't have got to 15 pages.

#EchoChamber

you missed the point.

TLBFestus, on 07 August 2016 - 10:22 PM, said:

I agree with him. It demonstrates a lack of awareness or attention to detail that's prevalent within PGI. I've become so used to it that I almost don't notice it anymore.

It's the old "put a frog in water and slowly heat it up" theory.

Best you can claim is that "YOU don't agree". Quit assuming you are speaking for everyone.

I believe is the usual game with the same people over and over again. The type of person that doesnt like to be pointed out that they made a mistake.

All i stated was that this thread is by all bets premature given what is evident in the command chair. I have notice its usually the same names that have a bone to pick with me. I knew what the flames would bring when i posted. It doesnt make your topic any less of jumping the gun. Like i said, you just dont want to admit it.

dervishx5, on 07 August 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

Well there's your clue right there. The traffic on the forums has dropped dramatically. Even the hardcore nerds are leaving.

well i am not to sure about that. I was actually participating on a few other threads and there are ways you can get a clue on the number of people who post. Its still quite large despite what some people think.

most dont come to the forums for the everyday, rather they just read the command chairs and announcements.

[dervishx5]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 10:32 PM, said:

well i am not to sure about that. I was actually participating on a few other threads and there are ways you can get a clue on the number of people who post. Its still quite large despite what some people think.

most dont come to the forums for the everyday, rather they just read the command chairs and announcements.

I posted in a thread yesterday and then didn't come back til tonight. The thread is only at the top of the second page with nobody having replied to it since I read it last night.

Rewind to a year ago and that thread would have been buried 5-6 pages deep by now.

Take what you will from that but to me it shows a continuing dwindling interest in the game along with the falling player numbers.

[Deathlike]

BLOOD WOLF, on 07 August 2016 - 10:32 PM, said:

most dont come to the forums for the everyday, rather they just read the command chairs and announcements.

There was far more significant activity of people strictly visiting the forums... approximately the same time the disastrous minimap patch happened, but also like 3 years ago... when the game was still in Beta.

If forum population is legitimately a proportion of the # of people that play a game.. then it's actually reasonable to assert less people are actually playing the game over time.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Appogee, on 06 August 2016 - 04:08 AM, said:

6 August and still no Road Map for the next month.

I was concerned when patches went from twice-monthly to monthly. Then Monthly Road Maps turned into Three-Monthly Road Maps.

But now we can't even get a Three-Monthly Road Map before the actual three months starts...? The apathy is palpable.

I think it's important to give players - customers, and potential customer - something to look forward to, and to keep them engaged.

YAMP* alone isn't cutting it any more.












* YAMP = "Yet Another Mech Pack".

to give you some points. Rather than what i didnt like about it, its a decent post. I just dont agree with the implications.

[Deathlike]

Appogee, on 06 August 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

I don't think PGI would want to revisit their most embarrassing failure by trying to resurrect that project.

Why are you testing PGI with this? You're only going to hurt yourself if this is even remotely true.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Deathlike, on 07 August 2016 - 10:36 PM, said:

There was far more significant activity of people strictly visiting the forums... approximately the same time the disastrous minimap patch happened, but also like 3 years ago... when the game was still in Beta.

If forum population is legitimately a proportion of the # of people that play a game.. then it's actually reasonable to assert less people are actually playing the game over time.

look at the command chair post views, and then look at the announcement views. They are really inconsistent. Not to mention that you have to account for the fact that people revisit. I would estimate that 20k+ people play the game, maybe more. Most of them dont visit the forums. Some only reddit. Also russ said that their were 25k package owners. Given what i stated before you can reduce the numbers but its probably still very high.

also people might not even view things they don't care about. However stating that the population is low overall is not even remotely based on any evidence. Unless you are looking strictly at FW

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 07 August 2016 - 10:44 PM.