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[Ashnod]

The map being played also matters quite a bit as well.

[adamts01]

Brizna, on 09 August 2016 - 06:22 AM, said:

Shooting down UAVs. Yes seriously, it is. You are a bit of a coward, you are making your team mate's put forward all their armor so you can fire unchallenged, you may think your job is firing at mechs, and while we brawlers and people who try to carry your team appreciate fire support we need you to shot down UAVs more than that, we can not shot that which is above our heads. You being back there is an excellent opportunity to help us out of tight spot, please do, above anything else you are doing back there..., please don't let the people who are offering their armor to the enemy team so you can comfortably snipe die to LURMS just because you are too busy scraping enemy mech's armor from 800 meters; Thanks!!

It's very ignorant generalizing all snipers as cowards. It's just as bad as generalizing all heavies as try-hards, thinking people only drive assaults because they can't manage to pilot anything else or all people who use LRMs/Streaks can't aim. Yes, good snipers are rare, most hide in the back and pad their numbers. The good ones are getting shot at more than their team because they're that much of a distraction/danger, allowing their team to maneuver more freely than the enemy. You should understand a role before you criticize it.

[darthJaeger]

Dawnstealer, on 09 August 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

The best is getting nailed in the back by a teammate "sniper" trying to shoot the enemy you're engaged with.

Facehug much ?

[MischiefSC]

I would trade away good sniper to get a mediocre brawler any day all day every single match.

How much damage you do is usually less important than how much damage you've taken. There's not really anything a 'sniper' is doing that a mediocre light pilot can't do. Most that even a bad LRM boat can do that.

A 'sniper' is pretty much a vulture. They inflate their score and kills by using their teammates as shields and at the end of the day the most value a 'sniper' provides to their team is if they occupy the enemy lights who decide to circle and murder them, tying up those lights while the team does the actual work.

A team works amazingly well without a sniper. Snipers don't work without a team. If you think you're a 'sniper' in MWO, understand that you're a burden on your team. Play a light and do some scouting while you try to distract people or take LRMs and play from the front and share your armor while spraying damage at distant targets or whatever. Hanging in the back sniping is just an inferior way to fight compared to playing in tight with the team. It's inherently cowardly.

[darthJaeger]

dervishx5, on 09 August 2016 - 09:04 AM, said:

Snipers are not cowards. They're just bad at playing on a team.

Unless everyone else on their team is sniping, they will lose against a good team every time. A single sniper can be avoided or focused down.

IE, lone snipers are more or less useless in competitive play. They do not contribute to trading armor and remove 1/12th of the team's ability to spread damage.

In the free for all with no coordination they can rack up impressive scores but that's the extent of their use.

LOL, The sniper IS the team when fighting four stormcrows in FP Scouting. The brawlers are the smoking husks you see left behind after the stormcrows have pummelled you.

[dervishx5]

darthJaeger, on 09 August 2016 - 07:41 PM, said:

LOL, The sniper IS the team when fighting four stormcrows in FP Scouting. The brawlers are the smoking husks you see left behind after the stormcrows have pummelled you.

Never was the case for any of the guys in NS. Maybe you need to coordinate better and take off the stormcrows' legs.

That one shaky exception really invalidates my point though. Good job.

Edited by dervishx5, 09 August 2016 - 08:20 PM.

[darthJaeger]

dervishx5, on 09 August 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

Never was the case for any of the guys in NS. Maybe you need to coordinate better and take off the stormcrows' legs.

That one shaky exception really invalidates my point though. Good job.

That is exactly my point, The sniper will/does heavily damage if not outright kill the stormcrow(s) well before they reach C-SSRM range.

Edited by darthJaeger, 09 August 2016 - 08:28 PM.

[MischiefSC]

I have never seen a good team in scouting get taken down by a 'sniper'. It's always been AC20s and Shad/Griffins.

A 'sniper' is just someone who doesn't share their armor with their team and uses long range weapons. That's it. There's nothing that does save not share your armor with your team. If your whole team does long range weapons on lights and the other team doesn't have any lights that can chase/catch you, great. Probably do alright. It's slower and less efficient but you can do it that way.

However the only thing, at all, a 'sniper' does is not get shot while his team does. That's it. No unique weapons or anything else. Just someone who lets their team get shot while they hide.

[DaZur]

Cathy, on 09 August 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

Sniper is a crack shot that stays behind after the other troops have left to take a toll on the other force until he is finally eliminated, though these days the hiding place is no longer a church bell tower of holly wood choice, but a mountain in the next valley to your target.

In MWO its a selfish bugger that sits at the back, not sharing armour, and pretending he's doing it for the team

Yeah, because most sniper builds have soooo much armour to spare to play damage sponge...

Truth is, a good sniper/ranged support knows when it's time to snuff camp and push with the rest of the team.

[darthJaeger]

MischiefSC, on 09 August 2016 - 08:39 PM, said:

I have never seen a good team in scouting get taken down by a 'sniper'. It's always been AC20s and Shad/Griffins.

A 'sniper' is just someone who doesn't share their armor with their team and uses long range weapons. That's it. There's nothing that does save not share your armor with your team. If your whole team does long range weapons on lights and the other team doesn't have any lights that can chase/catch you, great. Probably do alright. It's slower and less efficient but you can do it that way.

However the only thing, at all, a 'sniper' does is not get shot while his team does. That's it. No unique weapons or anything else. Just someone who lets their team get shot while they hide.

That is quite a poor summation Mischeif. It sounds to me as if you enjoy the short game - both weapon range and game duration. And you know, there is nothing wrong with that. But you must realise that not everyone chooses the same playstyle.

Edited by darthJaeger, 09 August 2016 - 08:53 PM.

[dervishx5]

darthJaeger, on 09 August 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

That is quite a poor summation Mischeif. It sounds to me as if you enjoy the short game - both weapon range and game duration.

What competitive team do you play with?

[darthJaeger]

dervishx5, on 09 August 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

What competitive team do you play with?

Who do you play for. Or should I ask which Clan team do you play in ?

[dervishx5]

darthJaeger, on 09 August 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

Who do you play for. Or should I ask which Clan team do you play in ?

I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

[darthJaeger]

dervishx5, on 09 August 2016 - 08:59 PM, said:

I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

i bet you say that to all the boys.

[Revis Volek]

Roughneck45, on 09 August 2016 - 09:34 AM, said:

A snipers job is to be accurate and put targets down with a high alpha.

It's everyone's job to shoot down UAVs, specifically people with arm mounted lasers.

Yea, anyone one with arms should be looking for them constantly. Other near you might not be able too so take advantage of your role please.

darthJaeger, on 09 August 2016 - 09:04 PM, said:

i bet you say that to all the boys.

not very often, i'd classify derv more as a flasher? maybe?


He doesnt often ask or care what yours looks like...really.

[dervishx5]

darthJaeger, on 09 August 2016 - 09:04 PM, said:

i bet you say that to all the boys.

Anyway, Night's Scorn.

If you've never played in a top competitive unit then you're a 5th grader debating physics with Mr. Hawking.

[MischiefSC]

darthJaeger, on 09 August 2016 - 08:51 PM, said:

That is quite a poor summation Mischeif. It sounds to me as if you enjoy the short game - both weapon range and game duration. And you know, there is nothing wrong with that. But you must realise that not everyone chooses the same playstyle.

I play Scouting with a 2xAC5, 3xSRM2 shad. I can usually pull a leg of a skillcrow before it closes to Streak range if I see him first.

HOWEVER.

I stick shoulder to shoulder with my team, because if I'm not then I've cut my teams defensive abilities by 25% compared to the enemy and handed them a significant advantage.

Scouting is a time-sensitive gamemode and as such if you're wanting to grind up your value you need to roll matches as fast as possible for the most points possible, especially if you're in a 4man because you've got to be winning matches faster than the IS pugs are losing them.

Again, it's not about range. With the exception of LRMs and PPC which are both bad weapons all long range weapons work up close too. You need to be shoulder to shoulder with your team, in QP, Invasion or Scouting. Doesn't matter. If you're not then you're denying your team your armor and helping the enemy focus fire against your team. You are actively being a detriment to your teams success.

dervishx5, on 09 August 2016 - 09:07 PM, said:

Anyway, Night's Scorn.

If you've never played in a top competitive unit then you're a 5th grader debating physics with Mr. Hawking.

It's true.

NS is a top tier ARK team.

I hear a couple of them play MW:O too.

[darthJaeger]

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Anyway, Night's Scorn.

If you've never played in a top competitive unit then you're a 5th grader debating physics with Mr. Hawking.

I don't see you anywhere in the leaderboards, do you use a different callsign in game ?

[meteorol]

The job of 8/10 snipers in solo queue is getting back to the mechlab and changing their build.

Not saying long range dropdecks don't work with groups, but in pug queue, the overwhelming majority of "snipers" are nothing but a burden for their team, actively contributing to losing the match.

[MischiefSC]

meteorol, on 09 August 2016 - 09:45 PM, said:

The job of 8/10 snipers in solo queue is getting back to the mechlab and changing their build.

Not saying long range dropdecks don't work with groups, but in pug queue, the overwhelming majority of "snipers" are nothing but a burden for their team, actively contributing to losing the match.

That's awesome.

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The job of 8/10 snipers in solo queue is getting back to the mechlab and changing their build.

That right there.

That's really funny.

The real problem though is that the 8/10 people in question deep down think they're the 2/10.

Unless you're killing 1 enemy mech before the other team is even engaged with your team then your 'sniping' is functionally worthless because you're doing the exact same damage a guy up with the team could be doing but you're helping the other team focus your teammates down while denying your team your armor to help protect them.

If every single match you're killing 1 enemy before he ever gets a single shot off at your team then okay. You're doing a great job as a sniper. Keep it up, Deadshot. If that's not you then change your build and quit ******* your team to artificially pad your own stats, you're a burden and deadweight that everyone else has to carry.