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[UnofficialOperator]

So what if they are on alt accounts? Is it against the rules or something? Which would be really odd since this is f2p.

Edited by UnofficialOperator, 15 August 2016 - 07:26 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Dee Eight, on 14 August 2016 - 11:58 PM, said:

Also I think the matchmaker takes skills into more account than Tier now, because I find myself shoved in with Tier 1s and 2s way more often than 4s or 5s.

Tier 1s are not matched with Tier 4s, the Matchmaker doesn't allow it.

Also, there is no "skill"matchmaking". The Matchmaker doesn't say " Oh there's this guy in Tier 4 that's good, I'll treat him like a Tier 2 this match". I mean how would that even work.

[Big Tin Man]

Elizander, on 13 August 2016 - 03:05 AM, said:

It's perfectly in-line with all the other assaults. Kodiak pilots are just more skilled than the other scrubs in other equally capable mechs that aren't Kodiaks.

LOLNO.

Let's take a very good and well respected player from the leaderboards who is running the Kodiak and other assaults in this challenge:

Numbers current as of Monday 8/15 9:30am PDT

Bows3r
Atlas #7: 3043
Dire Wolf: #11 3503
King Crab: #8 3291
Kodiak: #3 4898

Nearly 1400 points HIGHER than his next best mech. 1400.

Please reframe your argument into something that makes sense. Kodiak is the strongest assault by a significant margin. High speed, high hardpoints, clan XL, running the dual ppc/dual gauss meta that caused the DWF to get nerfed to oblivion. Kodiak is everything the DWF was on launch day and more.

Also funny that the never been heard of folks that have led the boards are disappearing... PGI issuing quiet bans on cheater/exploiters? Good job.

[pyrocomp]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 15 August 2016 - 07:16 AM, said:

It is actually your router that would need to be restarted to change your IP, not your PC (since your PC tends to be within a private NAT). But yes, IPs can be flubbed, if they have access to your MAC address though, then you would be in trouble.

That depends on whether I have a router on not and how my network is administrated. Really, at my lab every machine has 'white' IP but DHCP server has reservations for only a handfull machines (those who really need IP to be static for various reasons). So, while I get this situation to be pretty non-standart, it can not be guarateed to be unique.

[Gas Guzzler]

Big Tin Man, on 15 August 2016 - 08:42 AM, said:

Also funny that the never been heard of folks that have led the boards are disappearing... PGI issuing quiet bans on cheater/exploiters? Good job.

They are just using alts.

[SlightlyMobileTurret]

Mole, on 13 August 2016 - 08:05 AM, said:

It's already been nerfed. And the KDK-3 was the only KDK varaint anyone was complaining about and guess what? Paul slammed the ENTIRE CHASSIS with a nerf. Not just the KDK-3. You guys are gonna make that happen again, and then continue complaining the KDK-3 is OP until the entire chassis is just trash tier.

Paul gave +15 CT structure to all variants and the KDK-3 was really the only one that got nerfed??

[MischiefSC]

Impossible. When the KDK3 lost its incredible mobility quirks it instantly became garbage tier.

Just ask all the people saying KDKs were fine before.

Gas Guzzler, on 15 August 2016 - 08:50 AM, said:

They are just using alts.

Yep. Best way to dominate the leaderboard is to start an alt and run your matches in T4 where you can farm with impunity.

[KodiakGW]

Right here is more proof that this piss poor MatchMaker is stacking teams and making "underdog" teams that are expected to lose. Also proof that it's NOT THE MECH..IT'S THE PILOT. Buff the under performing mechs like the Victor.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

pyrocomp, on 15 August 2016 - 08:49 AM, said:

That depends on whether I have a router on not and how my network is administrated. Really, at my lab every machine has 'white' IP but DHCP server has reservations for only a handfull machines (those who really need IP to be static for various reasons). So, while I get this situation to be pretty non-standart, it can not be guarateed to be unique.

A lab is different from a home network, very different. Though if you are "hosting" a game for something like megamek, you need a static IP so some may have it setup that way, but you are correct it is never guaranteed to be unique.

[Deathlike]

KodiakGW, on 15 August 2016 - 09:00 AM, said:

Right here is more proof that this piss poor MatchMaker is stacking teams and making "underdog" teams that are expected to lose. Also proof that it's NOT THE MECH..IT'S THE PILOT. Buff the under performing mechs like the Victor.

It's not really trying to stack teams... it only stacks them by Tier (assuming they stopped averaging internal PSR values).

Even then, a Tier 1 "solo PUG lord" isn't really a match for a comp level player.

It has more to do with what "Tier 1" actually means because of its naturally inherent flaw (aka being an XP bar) than the game trying to royally screw you over.

Edited by Deathlike, 15 August 2016 - 09:08 AM.

[pyrocomp]

UnofficialOperator, on 15 August 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

So what if they are on alt accounts? Is it against the rules or something? Which would be really odd since this is f2p.

It is not against the rules to have alt-accounts for some minor activities but use of alt-accounts to sidetrack some other rules are prohibited. Whatever that means (no clarification in Code of Conduct).

[Big Tin Man]

MischiefSC, on 15 August 2016 - 08:53 AM, said:

Yep. Best way to dominate the leaderboard is to start an alt and run your matches in T4 where you can farm with impunity.

...except to dominate the Kodiak leaderboard you still need to throw down cash, not space bucks.

[Kirkland Langue]

Big Tin Man, on 15 August 2016 - 08:42 AM, said:

LOLNO.

Let's take a very good and well respected player from the leaderboards who is running the Kodiak and other assaults in this challenge:

Numbers current as of Monday 8/15 9:30am PDT

Bows3r
Atlas #7: 3043
Dire Wolf: #11 3503
King Crab: #8 3291
Kodiak: #3 4898

Nearly 1400 points HIGHER than his next best mech. 1400.

Please reframe your argument into something that makes sense. Kodiak is the strongest assault by a significant margin. High speed, high hardpoints, clan XL, running the dual ppc/dual gauss meta that caused the DWF to get nerfed to oblivion. Kodiak is everything the DWF was on launch day and more.

Also funny that the never been heard of folks that have led the boards are disappearing... PGI issuing quiet bans on cheater/exploiters? Good job.

I wonder if it was intentional to use Bows3r as an example, and then end your post talking about PGI never removing cheaters from the leaderboards; or if the irony is that deep.

[Big Tin Man]

Kirkland Langue, on 15 August 2016 - 09:30 AM, said:

I wonder if it was intentional to use Bows3r as an example, and then end your post talking about PGI never removing cheaters from the leaderboards; or if the irony is that deep.

Connection was not intentional, I've been watching the leaderboards and some names in the top 10 across various chassis have disappeared. Names nobody has ever heard of, so likely cheating smurf accounts.

Bows3r is a good player. I've dropped against him plenty and he's known in the comp scene. He's also the only person in the top 20 in Kodiaks that is even on the leaderboard in another chassis, playing using his tier 1 account. THAT speaks to the OP of the Kodiak.

[Revis Volek]

Elizander, on 13 August 2016 - 03:05 AM, said:

It's perfectly in-line with all the other assaults. Kodiak pilots are just more skilled than the other scrubs in other equally capable mechs that aren't Kodiaks.

lol


YEa, this is totally the reason why.


How can we all be so dumb.

KodiakGW, on 15 August 2016 - 09:00 AM, said:

Right here is more proof that this piss poor MatchMaker is stacking teams and making "underdog" teams that are expected to lose. Also proof that it's NOT THE MECH..IT'S THE PILOT. Buff the under performing mechs like the Victor.

Since when did one match prove anything?

Please learn how statistics works.


Did ya not notice the PB lolcaust only did 46 on their team? They had 4 or 5 sub 200 as did you.

Seems like it was rather even until some mechs died.

Edited by Revis Volek, 15 August 2016 - 09:49 AM.

[Kirkland Langue]

Big Tin Man, on 15 August 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

Connection was not intentional, I've been watching the leaderboards and some names in the top 10 across various chassis have disappeared. Names nobody has ever heard of, so likely cheating smurf accounts.

Bows3r is a good player. I've dropped against him plenty and he's known in the comp scene. He's also the only person in the top 20 in Kodiaks that is even on the leaderboard in another chassis, playing using his tier 1 account. THAT speaks to the OP of the Kodiak.

Putting aside the painfully obvious flaw with your logic there...
.. what makes the Kodiak OP?

EDIT - I should note: I am not saying that the Kodiak is not OP, I am simply inquiring as to what you believe is the cause of such power.

Edited by Kirkland Langue, 15 August 2016 - 09:54 AM.

[Kubernetes]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 August 2016 - 07:40 AM, said:

Tier 1s are not matched with Tier 4s, the Matchmaker doesn't allow it.

Also, there is no "skill"matchmaking". The Matchmaker doesn't say " Oh there's this guy in Tier 4 that's good, I'll treat him like a Tier 2 this match". I mean how would that even work.

This is not true. T4s are dropping with T1s. The T4 Dee Eight guy? I had him in a match last night.

[Big Tin Man]

Kirkland Langue, on 15 August 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Putting aside the painfully obvious flaw with your logic there...
.. what makes the Kodiak OP?

EDIT - I should note: I am not saying that the Kodiak is not OP, I am simply inquiring as to what you believe is the cause of such power.

Big Tin Man, on 15 August 2016 - 08:42 AM, said:

High speed, high hardpoints, clan XL, running the dual ppc/dual gauss meta that caused the DWF to get nerfed to oblivion.

...and I forgot to mention the +15 CT structure on all variants, as well as other structure and mobility quirks on variants that aren't the KDK-3, clan endo/ferro, 45.5 tons of space with full armor + max engine, masc that can go above 90, huge number of hardpoints, shield arms large enough to shield, humanoid form. Take your pick. Nothing even gets close to this perfect storm of positive mech traits in an assault.

The only negative thing I can come up with against the Kodiak is the CT hitbox being somewhat large. But it has a quirk to balance that.

Curious what you think my logic flaw is here...

[BigBenn]

KodiakGW, on 15 August 2016 - 09:00 AM, said:

Right here is more proof that this piss poor MatchMaker is stacking teams and making "underdog" teams that are expected to lose. Also proof that it's NOT THE MECH..IT'S THE PILOT. Buff the under performing mechs like the Victor.

If it is truly the "pilot and not the mech", then we'd see a lot more different mechs on the battlefield. There are a whole host of mechs we simply do not see. The Trebuchet, Dragon, and Quickdraw quickly come to mind. When was the last time you saw a Mist Lynx? Orion? The crutch mechs are what they are (Cheeter and Kodiak are the two most prominent, atm). Sure, there are different mechs with different abilities, and players with different abilities, but certain mechs will always be favored due to their offensive power, defensive might, etc. Other mechs, like the Dragon simply cant cutit due to hit boxes and weapon location.

It is what it is.

[KodiakGW]

Revis Volek, on 15 August 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

Since when did one match prove anything?

Please learn how statistics works.

Did ya not notice the PB lolcaust only did 46 on their team? They had 4 or 5 sub 200 as did you.

Seems like it was rather even until some mechs died.

Evidentially you didn't see my earlier post saying I saw two 228 and an EmP player all o the same team that produced a 1-12 stomp. I was in a heavy that time. This time I took a mech I know I could get at least one KMDD before losing. I got two this round, and finished off two before dying. That, and the work of the other three non-scrubs is the only reason why it was even close this time.

So tell me, what is the statistical probability that out of 9 games I played I played between that 1-12 stomp (including it) and the one posted, over a two day period, that I would see three players of some of the top tier comp teams all on one side, and not once see them teamed with me?

I know statistics, and the probability of that happening is pretty damn high.

The Elo code for making "underdog" teams is still running on their matchmaker server. Couple that with PSR being an XP bar, and you get lousy games. As well as inflated tournament scores for those lucky enough to not to be on the "CARRY HARDER" queue.