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[Jehofi]

Johnny Z, on 17 August 2016 - 06:03 AM, said:

Ageed. Its not even close to a legit competition at the moment sorry to say.

Can anyone give an example of the scores needed for the top Kodiak spot for example?

To lazy to look it up?
5,488 / 10 =~ 549 per game

[Johnny Z]

Jehofi, on 17 August 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

To lazy to look it up?
5,488 / 10 =~ 549 per game

Whats needed to get a score like that? I don't pay attention to scores at all. How many assists and what not. Thanks by the way.

Edited by Johnny Z, 17 August 2016 - 06:14 AM.

[Jehofi]

Johnny Z, on 17 August 2016 - 06:14 AM, said:

Whats needed to get a score like that? I don't pay attention to scores at all. How many assists and what not. Thanks by the way.

Score Formula: (Solo Kill x 30) + (Kill Most Damage x 20) + (Killing Blow x 10) + ( Kill Assist x 10) + (Win × 10) + (Loss × 5) + (Survive × 10) + (Dead × 5) + ((Damage done - Team Damage) ÷ 15)

The plan is doing damage, damage and MOAR DAMAGE! If something dies in the process the more points for you, but remember doe more DAMAGE!

[Dago Red]

Johnny Z, on 17 August 2016 - 06:14 AM, said:

Whats needed to get a score like that? I don't pay attention to scores at all. How many assists and what not. Thanks by the way.

Ok going off my best from the event. 539 score achieved with 2 kills 8 assists and 867 damage in a Zeus 6S.

So you'd need what about ten separate thousand damage or so games to reach the current Kodiac max? That sounds pretty achievable especially if you ground it out all weekend.

Edited by Dago Red, 17 August 2016 - 06:26 AM.

[Lily from animove]

SirFerret, on 17 August 2016 - 04:13 AM, said:

So, from what I've seen during this event, probably the top 50 or so players are [Redacted] in virtually every match. My question to PGI is, are these people going to be disqualified, since you obviously cannot detect the hacks they are using? [Redacted]

If you're not going to disqualify these idiots, why do you even have these events? There is virtually no way for any reasonable player to get an overall 10 game score of 3600 or better without some sort of aid due to the nature of the game. If anyone playing says otherwise, I would consider them immediately suspect, since they are likely using some sort of aid as well.

Looking forward to PGI's response to this one.

there may surely be some guys hacking but there will not be 50 hackers amongst them. you don't need the amazing aimbot aim in MWO to be good. Yes an aimbot and a wallhack may grant some extremely valuable information and skills. But for that kind of contest you need osme luck to get into a proper game where high scores are possible, and in such a game it is also a lot more your tactical understanding and usage of the situation that makes you perform well than the aimbot or the wallhack may grant.
The individual decision of which location to shoot at which moment is more critical and I doubt an aimbot exists granting various modes that instantly make it target a specific section. It really would need one with like 8 fire shortcut commands for each section to make the proper decison. Especially in the tournament, "farming" damage while sitll gettign KMDD and the kill is an additional and critical part of success. And there is too many individual situations happenign to automate that with a bot.
The wallhack however would surely always grant some additional information thats would truly be a good help, espeically when it clearly shows what the target is and where it is facing to. But seismic and situational awareness can still make that gap of an advantage really small.

in MWO the truth lies in many many many medicore pilots. I am usually just a above average player, but in MWO somehow very good. And thats surely not being me, thats simply the average MWO player being no as good asthe average shooter player. Or maybe cheatign in other shooters works better than in MWO and thats why there are a lot more "good" players. because cheating in most shooters is really a common thing nowdays. Kinda sad actually. But for MWO there is probably not the profitable target audience for hack providers to take the effort to make a proper working hack with MWO's too complex handling compared to a standard shooter. Not even speaing about how MWo is more of a TPS than a FPS in many chassis and often enough the pilt really needs to make a proper shot by knowing if the line of fire is free even. That may make triggerbots unusable (together with how mechs are designed into target sections).

I gues the effort, income ratio of makign hacks for MWO is too low for some really good providers to make a proper hack. And that is what grants us the luck to have a lot less hackers ingame than many other shooters have.

Jehofi, on 17 August 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

To lazy to look it up?
5,488 / 10 =~ 549 per game

thats not how it works vents have their own foormula.

Also don't forget, we now due to the event have more assaults on the field, meaning more total HP averagely on the field too. Tahts making gathing score via damage easier than a light challange would grant, where people use more lights because of the event and a lot less HP are rolling averagley in the games.

And then there is smurfing to even far low tiers, so thats another possible "issue"

Edited by draiocht, 17 August 2016 - 11:27 AM.
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[Dee Eight]

S3B, is an alt account of some other Tier 1 player, specifically created to game the matchmaker (his/her first 10 matches would have been against Tier 4/5s). They posted a screen cap in one thread and showed something like 2249 damage. During first 12 games of assault leaderboard, 10 wins, 52 kills, 2 losses, 1 death. Total leaderboard score, 4425 using the above formula. A couple hours later. 24 Wins, 3 losses, 100 kills, 5 deaths and leaderboard score was just over 5100. By that time the PSR should have bumped him/her into T3 or T2 based on matchscore increases over such a limited game pool. 2250 damage is only 150 poiints for the leaderboard scoring. To then have another 390 pts per game... well 20 for win with survival....kliing blows and assists are only 10 each... pretty much have to solo KMDD five or six per game, for ten perfect games.

[H I A S]

Jehofi, on 17 August 2016 - 06:19 AM, said:

Score Formula: (Solo Kill x 30) + (Kill Most Damage x 20) + (Killing Blow x 10) + ( Kill Assist x 10) + (Win × 10) + (Loss × 5) + (Survive × 10) + (Dead × 5) + ((Damage done - Team Damage) ÷ 15)

The plan is doing damage, damage and MOAR DAMAGE! If something dies in the process the more points for you, but remember doe more DAMAGE!

The plan is getting solokills. dmg is a sideeffect. each solokill = 60 points.
If the opfor is terribad you can farm them for more dmg.

Edited by arivio, 17 August 2016 - 06:31 AM.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Johnny Z, on 17 August 2016 - 06:14 AM, said:

Whats needed to get a score like that? I don't pay attention to scores at all. How many assists and what not. Thanks by the way.

There are a number of ways to reach it, but for example: Winning the game, Surviving, 1500 damage, 6-7 solo kills, and assists on all the other mechs would get be around 549 according to that formula.

Dago Red, on 17 August 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

Ok going off my best from the event. 539 score achieved with 2 kills 8 assists and 867 damage in a Zeus 6S.

I think you're looking at match score, which isn't the formula being used to calculate score for this event.

Edited by Rouken Vordermark, 17 August 2016 - 06:52 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Dee Eight, on 17 August 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

S3B, is an alt account of some other Tier 1 player, specifically created to game the matchmaker (his/her first 10 matches would have been against Tier 4/5s). They posted a screen cap in one thread and showed something like 2249 damage. During first 12 games of assault leaderboard, 10 wins, 52 kills, 2 losses, 1 death. Total leaderboard score, 4425 using the above formula. A couple hours later. 24 Wins, 3 losses, 100 kills, 5 deaths and leaderboard score was just over 5100. By that time the PSR should have bumped him/her into T3 or T2 based on matchscore increases over such a limited game pool. 2250 damage is only 150 poiints for the leaderboard scoring. To then have another 390 pts per game... well 20 for win with survival....kliing blows and assists are only 10 each... pretty much have to solo KMDD five or six per game, for ten perfect games.

and thats why PSR works stupid as it does not do its freaking job.

[Dago Red]

Rouken Vordermark, on 17 August 2016 - 06:29 AM, said:

There are a number of ways to reach it, but for example: Winning the game, Surviving, 1500 damage, 6-7 kills, and assists on all the other mechs would get be around 549 according to that formula.



I think you're looking at match score, which isn't the formula being used to calculate score for this event.

Fair enough. Seems bizarre that they don't list the actually event relevant score on a match on the even page though. Counter intuitive that.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Johnny Z, on 17 August 2016 - 06:14 AM, said:

Whats needed to get a score like that? I don't pay attention to scores at all. How many assists and what not. Thanks by the way.

Not a lot to be honest, the greatest asset to these events is time IMO.
And obviously there are some mechs like the Kodiak that deal alot of damage, i very rarely play assaults, and i know of people that can do extreme amounts of damage with them.

If i can do 1400 damage in a kodiak with the poor MM for the event (http://imgur.com/a/0zfk5) then some of the top players will be breezing these events.

[Xmith]

Bud Crue, on 17 August 2016 - 04:19 AM, said:

There really is no point in bitching about suspected cheating here.
If you have a cheating complaint make to support, or better yet make an in game report using the report function that PGI provides all of us. If you have video showing actual cheating send that to support as well.

[LowSubmarino]

Dood.

to like 90 % of mwo players a monkey sitting in front of a pc for the very first time, smashing the keyboard randomly and eating a banana with one hand while also watching tv would appear either as a godlike entity or a AI-Level aimbot.

Are you serious?

Like...is this a joke?

I mean the aim in this game is so incredibly überbysmal that you cannot be serous haha.

Okay, i sometimes take long to get jokes.

Im embarassed now hehe

[Davers]

Johnny Z, on 17 August 2016 - 05:53 AM, said:

Its not pointless its the guys that are going to get banned from last night trying to take legit players complaining about them with them......

And you think that makes this a good thread?

[Mystere]

Deathlike, on 17 August 2016 - 04:23 AM, said:

This has the faulty assertion that you understand what a legit player does to score high vs... accusations of how it is possible.

Of course, this is before having to explain how powerful/important/OP Seismic Wallhack Sensor is for any mech.

You know - people can actually aim, believe it or not.

This Trump-like business of throwing accusations without any proof is really getting on my nerves. And I am not even a Yank!

Also, I will just paraphrase something said in an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9:

It is the height of arrogance to assume that something cannot be done just because you yourself cannot do it.

[Idealsuspect]

SirFerret, on 17 August 2016 - 04:13 AM, said:

So, from what I've seen during this event, probably the top 50 or so players are [Redacted] in virtually every match. My question to PGI is, are these people going to be disqualified, since you obviously cannot detect the hacks they are using? [Redacted]

If you're not going to disqualify these idiots, why do you even have these events? There is virtually no way for any reasonable player to get an overall 10 game score of 3600 or better without some sort of aid due to the nature of the game. If anyone playing says otherwise, I would consider them immediately suspect, since they are likely using some sort of aid as well.

Looking forward to PGI's response to this one.

"So, from what I've seen during this event, probably the top 50 or so players are aimbotting in virtually every match."
Huh lol ... ok potatoe. Thoses high scores aren't impossible to do, cheats isn't required only farm the poor MM system is requiered, And perform x10 times agaisnt a full potatoes team.
MWO is the best Esport in tha world listen to our overlord ..


Well if you still think thoses 50 guys are cheating, you have theirs names also you can report them to customer support instead create a ridiculous thread
>>> support@mwomercs.com
50 guys cheating no, but one or two yea assurely also you can report.


And last thing PGI don't read forums topics but they read every mails we send.

Edited by draiocht, 17 August 2016 - 11:32 AM.
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[Oderint dum Metuant]

Idealsuspect, on 17 August 2016 - 06:54 AM, said:

"So, from what I've seen during this event, probably the top 50 or so players are aimbotting in virtually every match."
Huh lol ... ok potatoe.

Well you have theirs names also you can report them to customer support instead create a ridiculous thread >>> support@mwomercs.com

You sir...are an Ideal Suspect.

..........I'll get my coat.

[Scout Derek]

Why do people always exaggerate.

How can you assume That many people cheat?

You do realize that without good evidence that you're going to get slammed not just on a user but on a moderator level too.


Just why.

I remember now.

People can't control their emotions -__-


Because they're getting beaten down hard in-game and can't compete...

Edited by Scout Derek, 17 August 2016 - 07:05 AM.

[kapusta11]

Proof or gtfo.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Scout Derek, on 17 August 2016 - 06:58 AM, said:

Why do people always exaggerate.

How can you assume That many people cheat?

You do realize that without good evidence that you're going to get slammed not just on a user but on a moderator level too.


Just why.

I remember now.

People can't control their emotions -__-


Because they're getting beaten down hard in-game and can't compete...

TL:DR people think they are better than they are, and so anyone that is better must be cheating.