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[Spider00x]

Take from someone who plays about 20 hours of CW a week the kodiak K3 is OP. To do under 1.2k dmg is unheard of in a match, the Inner sphere knows it and they have decided to stop queuing up against it. It's caused a lot of people to quit the game. And please don't prop up a straw man arguments about the mauler or slepinir those mechs don't have the speed or raw fire power of a K3. Every top CW players drops a K3 in the first round. I'm not all concerned with the thoughts of the peanut gallery, in the some 4 weeks I've made the switch from IS loyalist to clan it's been an absolute **** with these things, and before someone says your fighting scrubs I've demolished every team except one who commits to a range game.

Ask any comp player and they will tell you the same. I have half my guys breaking 2.5k dmg a match all from their first round K3 drops.

I think PGI finally understands how game breaking this is because they just increased UAC jam time to 8 seconds.

Edited by Spider00x, 05 September 2016 - 10:09 AM.

[Requiemking]

Spider00x, on 05 September 2016 - 10:07 AM, said:

Take from someone who plays about 20 hours of CW a week the kodiak K3 is OP. To do under 1.2k dmg is unheard of in a match, the Inner sphere knows it and they have decided to stop queuing up against it. It's caused a lot of people to quit the game. And please don't prop up a straw man arguments about the mauler or slepinir those mechs don't have the speed or raw fire power of a K3. Every top CW players drops a K3 in the first round. I'm not all concerned with the thoughts of the peanut gallery, in the some 4 weeks I've made the switch from IS loyalist to clan it's been an absolute **** with these things, and before someone says your fighting scrubs I've demolished every team except one who commits to a range game.

Ask any comp player and they will tell you the same. I have half my guys breaking 2.5k dmg a match all from their first round K3 drops.

I think PGI finally understands how game breaking this is because they just increased UAC jam time to 8 seconds.

Did you not see what I just said? KDK-3 is broken, everyone can agree on that. the other Kodiaks, however, are nowhere near broken, and are actually sub-par compared to other mechs that perform similar roles.

[Count Zero74]

Anyone seen a Kodiak with standard engine lately?

[Spider00x]

Requiemking, on 05 September 2016 - 10:19 AM, said:

Did you not see what I just said? KDK-3 is broken, everyone can agree on that. the other Kodiaks, however, are nowhere near broken, and are actually sub-par compared to other mechs that perform similar roles.

And Im agreeing with you, its just the K3 Brah



In this video which happened yesterday one of my new young pilots got his 'Ace of Spades' on his first QP drop with a Kodiak K3 with not one skill point dropped into the mech, this is literally his first time dropping the mech in quick play.

Skip to 7:20 for instant results

Edited by Spider00x, 05 September 2016 - 11:04 AM.

[MischiefSC]

Count Zero74, on 05 September 2016 - 10:21 AM, said:

Anyone seen a Kodiak with standard engine lately?

Well, everyone knows that IS STD engines and their incredible ability to play with both ST gone is a huge advantage, balancing the 1/2 weight CXL easily!

I think you're on to the new meta.

[SmokeGuar]

Got Executioner as new toy. Checked k/d ratios after mastering 3 chassis, were better than KDK1 and KDK2.

So FW beta1 vet and Shredder = new pilot? Don't think so. Also group drop != QP. Group has no working matchmaker and team can help lot, as can be seen, only 3 kmds.
Highest kills i have seen on QP is 7, and that was one of best players in game. Was last one alive and weak oppo players streamed in one by one to get a kill, from front.

Give IS single ball guns and IS quirks and std engine becomes viable choice.

[DivBy0]

OK... my english is soo bad... sometimes I miss the point. Sorry for that.

King of the Woad, on 05 September 2016 - 08:34 AM, said:

He was agreeing with you by illustrating the "huh-uuuhhhh" kinds of "don't nerf me because in this mech is where my skill really shines" arguments.

Edited by von Haudegen, 05 September 2016 - 02:34 PM.

[DivBy0]

It is very hard to balance such a game. But I do not speak from an unbalance. I speak of a game breaking and game destroying event. And this event was the injection of the KDK3 into the game. This mech can not be nerfed. He is so much better than the Dire Wolf.... what in hell have PGI thought? Russ speak about increase the TTK and then he bring the Kodiak 3 with an alpha of 60-80 and a very high DPS. One of my DC was nuked out of the game and stop DC and in fact playing at all, my other DC runs to often against waves and walls of KDK3 with terrible results... he refuse to do DC anymore but at least not stoped playing.
This is the state of the game.

The last 3 nerf-waves, the rescale-nerf, broken scouting-mode, Satelite-Map-Hack, Long Tom and the Kodiak 3... OK, I give up. The Clans have won. Please take the whole Map and all Planets... and please don´t forget Terra. I was used to pug around with my IS-Account but in fact... it is absolutly pointless. Now I drop nearly exclusiv with my unit. And even there we reduce CW to 50% or less. Waiting for better times.

And the Oxide IIC is not OP. But the IS-Oxide is not OP too. He is the last IS-Light with any (when played as a fast medium mech) use beside the Spider and the Pirates Bane and maybe the Raven 3L. The rest is useless junk. In fact I think they are even. IS Oxide has the quirks and the Clan Oxide have Clan-XL and can jump.
And 6 month before, I can not remember that a wave of 12 BJ get 30 Kills... the BJ is a medium mech and a laserboat with a rather low DPS. Maybe he was to powerfull for his 45 tonns, but he was surley not as game destroying as the KDK3.

SmokeGuar, on 05 September 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

I assume these are your main accounts. Then you lack historical perspective, you simply assume that game was balanced when you started playing and now massively favors Clan.

You implied that Jenner IIC carries streaks and is OP over Oxide. Well that is the way I read it.

And yes, only 6 months ago BJ was really that OP, mayby not dmg, but kills yes.

Personally I have done 7 kill / 1000+ dmg on FW, 1st drop on Dire. possibly bit easier on KDK, but not unheard of before. KDK3 can be a beast, IF there is a team to support it, on pug drops far less. That is something that has to be taken account for. Separate team performance and mech performance.

There are 48 - 0 results, without Kodiak, those dmg / kill counts are high as well. Thoughts?

[Fuerchtenichts]

Spider00x, on 05 September 2016 - 11:01 AM, said:

And Im agreeing with you, its just the K3 Brah

In this video which happened yesterday one of my new young pilots got his 'Ace of Spades' on his first QP drop with a Kodiak K3 with not one skill point dropped into the mech, this is literally his first time dropping the mech in quick play.

Skip to 7:20 for instant results

Hmm, so reaching "Ace of Spades" with a mech means that this mech is OP?

[Fuerchtenichts]

MischiefSC, on 05 September 2016 - 12:24 PM, said:

Well, everyone knows that IS STD engines and their incredible ability to play with both ST gone is a huge advantage, balancing the 1/2 weight CXL easily!

I think you're on to the new meta.

Does STD not mean Steiner D engine? So theyx are the only faction having their own kind of engine in game.

[Spider00x]

Fuerchtenichts, on 05 September 2016 - 09:49 PM, said:

Hmm, so reaching "Ace of Spades" with a mech means that this mech is OP?

I don't know if English is a barrier for you, or the ability to read and understand in your mind what these squiggly little lines called words are, but the important thing about my post is that a pilot got an ace of spades in his first time ever playing the mech period... the k3.

Like seriously man if that's not a warning flag as to the push to win power of this mech you are out of your mind.

Edited by Spider00x, 06 September 2016 - 12:54 AM.

[Nomex 99]

SmokeGuar, on 05 September 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Then you lack historical perspective.

...says the one, who plays MWO for less than one year.

[Fuerchtenichts]

Spider00x, on 06 September 2016 - 12:53 AM, said:

I don't know if English is a barrier for you, or the ability to read and understand in your mind what these squiggly little lines called words are, but the important thing about my post is that a pilot got an ace of spades in his first time ever playing the mech period... the k3.

Like seriously man if that's not a warning flag as to the push to win power of this mech you are out of your mind.

Spider00x,

the Kodiaks K3 main advatage is the combination of DPS (AC heat stability) and speed (for an assault). As long as you fight K3s at mid range you will barely win. You have to adjust your tactic. Fight an organized and tactical skilled IS unit and you will notice the weaknesses of the K3. In my opinion using K3s implies to end the match after 2 waves or you will face serious problems.

[Contrex]

Fuerchtenichts, on 06 September 2016 - 01:15 AM, said:

Spider00x,

the Kodiaks K3 main advatage is the combination of DPS (AC heat stability) and speed (for an assault). As long as you fight K3s at mid range you will barely win. You have to adjust your tactic. Fight an organized and tactical skilled IS unit and you will notice the weaknesses of the K3. In my opinion using K3s implies to end the match after 2 waves or you will face serious problems.

Dont forget the ballistic mounts next to the head.

[DivBy0]

This is not true. What kind of "midrange" should IS play? The UAC10 and UAC5 have more range as the effective IS weapons and IS must come close to fight and deal damage. IS can not play the peek and poke game against an alpha of 60-80 from 6 to 10 kodiaks

The only kind of weakness of the KDK3 is his broad torsor. But every IS Assault (with the Stalker as an exception) have the same problem and the Laserbuilds have a much higher face-time as the KDK3. And there are 6,7,8 or 10 of them....
Enjoy terra.... greet me your friends from Comstar

Fuerchtenichts, on 06 September 2016 - 01:15 AM, said:

Spider00x,

the Kodiaks K3 main advatage is the combination of DPS (AC heat stability) and speed (for an assault). As long as you fight K3s at mid range you will barely win. You have to adjust your tactic. Fight an organized and tactical skilled IS unit and you will notice the weaknesses of the K3. In my opinion using K3s implies to end the match after 2 waves or you will face serious problems.

Edited by von Haudegen, 06 September 2016 - 01:40 AM.

[Fuerchtenichts]

von Haudegen, on 06 September 2016 - 01:39 AM, said:

This is not true. What kind of "midrange" should IS play? The UAC10 and UAC5 have more range as the effective IS weapons and IS must come close to fight and deal damage. IS can not play the peek and poke game against an alpha of 60-80 from 6 to 10 kodiaks

The only kind of weakness of the KDK3 is his broad torsor. But every IS Assault (with the Stalker as an exception) have the same problem and the Laserbuilds have a much higher face-time as the KDK3. And there are 6,7,8 or 10 of them....
Enjoy terra.... greet me your friends from Comstar

Guess you already found the answer yourself.

[SmokeGuar]

360 days of active playing as of this writing. But that is not the main point.

Main point is December -15 patch and massive Clan nerfing. When steam influx occurred, new players thought they are seeing balanced game and balanced mechs. They simply cannot understand why IS side is repeatedly nerfed this year and are crying about it.

One thing IS unit leaders have been really good, is how new players have been brainwashed to think Clan side is OP and needs nerfed, not the other way. This thread being only one of countless nerf Kodiak threads. It is neither Clan nor Kodiak, its more experienced pilots and units that are rolling over solos and new players.

[Contrex]

SmokeGuar, on 06 September 2016 - 03:09 AM, said:

360 days of active playing as of this writing. But that is not the main point.

Main point is December -15 patch and massive Clan nerfing. When steam influx occurred, new players thought they are seeing balanced game and balanced mechs. They simply cannot understand why IS side is repeatedly nerfed this year and are crying about it.

One thing IS unit leaders have been really good, is how new players have been brainwashed to think Clan side is OP and needs nerfed, not the other way. This thread being only one of countless nerf Kodiak threads. It is neither Clan nor Kodiak, its more experienced pilots and units that are rolling over solos and new players.

Stop going for a blanace ISvsClan talk. This one is only about the KDK 3.
100t with high speed, great high mounts with enough space for a **** load of weapons. Show a single different assault (clan OR Is ) which is as strong as the KDK 3.
Its not about IS vs Clan. Its about KDK 3 vs all the other assaults.
There is no comperable mech to the KDK3 these days. There is a reason that the KDK was in ~50 spots of the 75 spots of the assault leaderevent.

Edited by Contrex, 06 September 2016 - 03:47 AM.

[DivBy0]

OK, you say its not the Kodiak 3 which do 1800 Damage and get 6 Kills, it is your Skill... really.....
What a nonsens

SmokeGuar, on 06 September 2016 - 03:09 AM, said:

One thing IS unit leaders have been really good, is how new players have been brainwashed to think Clan side is OP and needs nerfed, not the other way. This thread being only one of countless nerf Kodiak threads. It is neither Clan nor Kodiak, its more experienced pilots and units that are rolling over solos and new players.

[Repasy Cooper]

I eat Kodiaks for breakfast in my Warhawk. CT is easy to target.