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[Quicksilver Aberration]

Alienized, on 25 August 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

countering the meta.

You are giving a bunch of worthless phrases, how does one counter the current meta without knowing anything about the game? How does one decide what to use and know that it works against it?


Not that countering the meta is how discovering meta actually works, but I'm still waiting for you to give me a straight answer.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 25 August 2016 - 11:42 AM.

[Alienized]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 25 August 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

You are giving a bunch of worthless phrases, how does one counter the current meta without knowing anything about the game?

you cant.
so how does someone learn to coutner the meta if he does nothing else?

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Alienized, on 25 August 2016 - 11:42 AM, said:

you cant.
so how does someone learn to coutner the meta if he does nothing else?

The meta isn't about countering the last thing, it is about being able to react well enough to any scenario that can be thrown its way. For example in the tournament server the 2 PPC hunchback IIC isn't just good at countering the Kodiak which is part of the reason the change happened, but it also happens to have solid DPS compared to the laser vomit Hunchie which allowed it to be good in delaying pushes as well as countering the dominant assault. Sure, it was originally a counter to the Kodiak, but it turns out it was effective at more than that, people just hadn't tried it until they were forced to adapt to the Kodiak.

[Alienized]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 25 August 2016 - 11:48 AM, said:

The meta isn't about countering the last thing, it is about being able to react well enough to any scenario that can be thrown its way. For example in the tournament server the 2 PPC hunchback IIC isn't just good at countering the Kodiak which is part of the reason the change happened, but it also happens to have solid DPS compared to the laser vomit Hunchie which allowed it to be good in delaying pushes as well as countering the dominant assault. Sure, it was originally a counter to the Kodiak, but it turns out it was effective at more than that, people just hadn't tried it until they were forced to adapt to the Kodiak.

i can do that with any mech. by not playing the meta. i just move according to the situation. its not that hard.

[The Basilisk]

Even considdering that every new assault is a pain in the "what this gimpy swearworfilter will not alow to write me so I have to anoy you with stupidly long and childish circumlocutions" to level this mech, it's even worse than the Awsome before resize and before quirking.
The only variant you potentially could do something primitive with that is supported by its quirks and the all overarching meta of boat the sh.. out of everything is the 10Q with either srms or lrms only or the sleipnir and those two are already known and get focused...the others get focused for beeing roflematicly easy targets.

Edited by The Basilisk, 25 August 2016 - 11:54 AM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Alienized, on 25 August 2016 - 11:49 AM, said:

i can do that with any mech. by not playing the meta. i just move according to the situation. its not that hard.

Whatever makes you happy I guess.

[Alienized]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 25 August 2016 - 11:57 AM, said:

Whatever makes you happy I guess.

im happy. you propably never bothered watching the usual paths every one does. its all the same. you can abuse that so hard. you always know where enemies are, different battles same positions. every time.

and lol at basilisk. i seen him in a battle. i dont wonder that the mech doesnt work for him.... lololololol. it simply cant.

Edited by Alienized, 25 August 2016 - 12:09 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alienized, on 25 August 2016 - 11:20 AM, said:

you mean every **** can play it and do well? yep.. totally high skill cap.



so the point of meta is not knowing stuff but wanting the best of everything? hooraaah for that. worth going for.
kinda sums up the modern world isnt it?
not doing anything but wanting everything?

so for games it means....
putting no effort to learn the game but still be able to beat everyone?

Well thanks for proving my view of your disposition. Since you actually have nothing meaningful or even remotely accurate to add, welcome to the ignore list, with the other members of das Kartoffelbauern Zunft.

*smh*

[Alienized]

Bishop Steiner, on 25 August 2016 - 12:09 PM, said:

Well thanks for proving my view of your disposition. Since you actually have nothing meaningful or even remotely accurate to add, welcome to the ignore list, with the other members of das Kartoffelbauern Zunft.

*smh*

lmao. so different view means disposition.. .l3l gg bishop. you really are just a forum warrior.

[xVLFBERHxT]

Bishop Steiner, on 25 August 2016 - 12:09 PM, said:

Well thanks for proving my view of your disposition. Since you actually have nothing meaningful or even remotely accurate to add, welcome to the ignore list, with the other members of das Kartoffelbauern Zunft.

*smh*

LOL

Edited by TrapJaw80, 25 August 2016 - 01:04 PM.

[The Basilisk]

Alienized, on 25 August 2016 - 12:08 PM, said:

im happy. you propably never bothered watching the usual paths every one does. its all the same. you can abuse that so hard. you always know where enemies are, different battles same positions. every time.

and lol at basilisk. i seen him in a battle. i dont wonder that the mech doesnt work for him.... lololololol. it simply cant.

Uhm...bad looser I guess ? Nvm ... and he was nerver read again *ignored*

Edited by The Basilisk, 25 August 2016 - 01:45 PM.

[Alienized]

The Basilisk, on 25 August 2016 - 01:43 PM, said:

Bad looser I guess.. well ... and he never was read again *ignored*

oh boy... how depressed i am now....
dude moans how bad a mech is, cant play for ****, calls others bad looser..... ggclose. he deserves it totally.

[Dolph Hoskins]

The mech looks freakin sweet. I can say that for sure.

I don't own one but spectating people piloting them is almost like being in a steampunk submarine

[Bishop Steiner]

TrapJaw80, on 25 August 2016 - 01:03 PM, said:

LOL

I live to entertain.

[LorDGuilhotinA]

my opinion:
Good mech, the range boost doesnt seems much on paper but its actually a nice bonus (specially because there is no tradeoff).
Nice variety of weaponary, cam go from dual gauss to missile boating, can easily run a XL , hitbox are good for spreading damage.
I still havent tryed runing xl400, but only bought it because it doesnt have a heavy engine limitation like the highlander and mauler, and i think, like the banshee, this mech will be very popular because of that.
Compared to other mechs? i dont care about it.

the cockpit is just amazing.

Edited by LorDGuilhotinA, 25 August 2016 - 04:28 PM.

[Reza Malin]

The Basilisk, on 24 August 2016 - 11:35 AM, said:

You can either put the firepower in it, thats worthy of an assault or you can put a big ol' std reactor in it an drive an oversized medium.

Both alternatives are unfun because there are mechs out there that either do this better or simply got the better hardpoints and quirks.
For real assault brawling it lacks the missile hardpoints, tonns and quirks of the Atlas.
For longrange direct fire it lacks number and height of direct fire hardpoints.
(Maybe except the sleipnir but the Mauler does quad AC5 or quad LBX better than the cyclops and has better quirks)
Also the mech got quirks that support weapons that can't realy be used on it.
Gauss quirks for only one gauss nothing else ???
Single AC20 on an Assault ?
Energy cooldown for just two hardpoints ?
...
why???
...
All things we know from other IS Assaults. Zeus, Atlas before the quirkening, Victor, Highlander.

Thats why you put a smaler standart engine in it (325 or something) and mount LRMs.
Those suck on every mech no difference.

Maybe it does a bit better when leveled.
ATM its not impressive you just ignore its lore and standart weapons and put crazy stuff on it.

All mechs do better levelled, of course.

I just run the hero with with XL's and dual gauss. I find it to be pretty XL friendly myself. Still deciding on other builds for the other variants.

You can only get the best out of the mech using an XL, so why gimp yourself with a standard. Just embrace it and adapt to it.

Ok yeah, some games you might die a bit quicker, but if you are careful and dont lead any charges, you can mitigate it.

Had some really good games with XL's.

Edited by Fade Akira, 25 August 2016 - 06:49 PM.

[Moonlight Grimoire]

Fade Akira, on 25 August 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

All mechs do better levelled, of course.

I just run the hero with with XL's and dual gauss. I find it to be pretty XL friendly myself. Still deciding on other builds for the other variants.

You can only get the best out of the mech using an XL, so why gimp yourself with a standard. Just embrace it and adapt to it.

Ok yeah, some games you might die a bit quicker, but if you are careful and dont lead any charges, you can mitigate it.

Had some really good games with XL's.

I find it does perfectly well with a STD engine instead of an XL. Yes you can get a lot more alpha out of it with an XL but that style of gameplay has never meshed with me. Guess I just hamstring myself, but, it is good to know that the XL is actually worth it, probably keep the hero with the XL now and find something to build around it. Default load out isn't quite there for me.

[Reza Malin]

Moonlight Grimoire, on 25 August 2016 - 07:32 PM, said:

I find it does perfectly well with a STD engine instead of an XL. Yes you can get a lot more alpha out of it with an XL but that style of gameplay has never meshed with me. Guess I just hamstring myself, but, it is good to know that the XL is actually worth it, probably keep the hero with the XL now and find something to build around it. Default load out isn't quite there for me.

Fair enough mate, each to their own.

I run my sleipnir with 2 x gauss and 4 x MPL.

70 KPH with a 360 XL, and with the accel/decell quirks it is quick to reposition which helps. Remember also, the bigger your engine, the more it boosts your agility in general, turn/speed/accel, no just straight line speed.

[Brian ODie63]

I Brian Odoherty , purchased a Cyclops hero mech. and did not recieve it with the patch . When will I recieve it

[Brian ODie63]

Brian Odoherty, on 26 August 2016 - 09:31 AM, said:

I Brian Odoherty , purchased a Cyclops hero mech. and did not recieve it with the patch . When will I recieve it