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[FallingAce]

MattNovaCat, on 26 August 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

I seem to be playing around 2 - 3 hours most days; played something like 50 matches today. Drop and die and grab a fresh mech and drop again--had 5 mechs locked in game at


My damage is usually around a 100. Today it's been lots of under 20.

You're dying too quick. 20 damage is not even 1 good alpha.

You need to set a goal of 200 damage every game. When you achieve that, increase it to 300 etc.

Try staying in the middle of the team. If you find yourself alone, turn around and RUN until you are in the middle of your team. Never be the 1st, never be the last. A little patience goes a long way.

Instead of jumping out of the match and into a new one, stick around and watch the other pilots. Even in Tier 5, you can tell which pilots are better. Watch them.

[Sleeper Service]

UnofficialOperator, on 26 August 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

How much FPS are you running at? (Press F9 ingame to check upon drop)

My FPS just recently went from ~10 to 120+ Dam and kills have gone up substantially.. PSR hasn't moved much yet, but I am feeling less like a terribad. That is of course just my feeling though

EDIT: Well terribad just got proved.... did my first team kill.

Edited by Sleeper Service, 26 August 2016 - 06:55 PM.

[Metal Maiden]

Can I just say: I love the MechWarrior community. I have asked so many questions to many many pilots and 99% are more than willing to help. I have found that most pilots are passionate about this game and actually want us potatoes to learn how to play. This is also how I found the two MechWarrior Reddit threads, metamechs.com, and Sarna (I'm a chick and never played MechWarrior before).

So, MattNoveCat, if you really do care about raising your PSR. Post some of you builds so these nice fellas can help you. Tell them what your in game mouse setting is. Speaking of which, when another pilot asked me what mine was, he told me what setting to use and suddenly my damage was doubling. I'm still potato tier but it's moving up everyday I play and I have more confidence. I also learned to be patience, watch the mini-map, and position my mech. I could not have learned all this by myself. The credit goes the the great pilots that answered my many questions.

[MattNovaCat]

Spheroid, on 26 August 2016 - 06:04 PM, said:

I remember you sucking when you were in Kurita. If you want an honest answer it is going to fall into one of three categories.

(_A_) your computer sucks and low fps is handicapping you.

(_B_) your mech builds are not good and are losing to better ones. The solution is to emulate and copy those which are killing you and or outperforming you. Between the target readout and spectate tool this is not a hard task.

(_C_) your gameplay style is incompatible with generating large matchscores. Examples of this are dedicated NARCers/weak ineffective snipers.


Again if you want an honest answer you must be forthcoming how your weakness is caused by choice A, B or C.

Not A, got a new gaming computer since my days in Kurita. FPS is 60-120 not 9012 anymore


Maybe B Had lots of advice on builds from my current unit (lucky 8th unit I've been in). Steak-Crows, Laser-Crows, Ac10AC5, 3 ERMedium Hellbringer, 10 SER Nova.


Not much C. never bother with narc, tag, only snipe in the Raven. Try for brawler or wingman and usually get smoked fast.



Didn't feel like ghost-cockptting today. Done it lots of times and am not learning much..usually mechs I don't own or pilots who are worse than me. (Heat vision on terra therma? Why?) Sometimes I know I overextended or overheated or just blundered into the wrong location...its sheer weight of enemy fire and uncanny accuracy.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

MattNovaCat, on 26 August 2016 - 07:05 PM, said:

Didn't feel like ghost-cockptting today. Done it lots of times and am not learning much..usually mechs I don't own or pilots who are worse than me. (Heat vision on terra therma? Why?) Sometimes I know I overextended or overheated or just blundered into the wrong location...its sheer weight of enemy fire and uncanny accuracy.

Heat vision on Terra Therma: enemy mechs show up as black against a white hot background, allowing some to see better than normally given black painted mechs on a dark map.

Gotta learn why people do what they do and also watch players who seem worse than you, see their mistakes, and see how it turned out for them.

[Green Mamba]

I think its bugged for some people as I know several that play regular and theirs stay 4 or 5

[Peter2k]

Not being an a** here
Such low damage numbers means you're dying too fast or can't hit anything (though not hitting anything with lasers would be rather hard)

Would be good to see you play
You wouldn't be able to record a few games with the upgraded computer of yours?

I wonder how you play
Sooo
You survive long into a match?

Green Mamba, on 26 August 2016 - 07:10 PM, said:

I think its bugged for some people as I know several that play regular and theirs stay 4 or 5

And others always love to tell you how big the fish was that they caught
While in reality it was quite smaller
Do you know, really know, they get great match scores and don't go up?

Edited by Peter2k, 26 August 2016 - 07:32 PM.

[Drunken Skull]

I started at Tier 5 when the system was introduced. I have found some mechs will drop the tier level whilst other mechs can raise the tier level. This is due to certain mechs being able to "farm" or spread damage better than other mechs because of their loadout and hardpoint types/locations.

To name a few good chassis I've used for farming damage, I'd say try the Battlemaster 1G for it's high torso Energy mounts(great for hill humping), The Catapult C-4 for it's four missile mounts and LRM quirks(excellent when an enemy assault is painted, the LRM spread keeps the victim alive long enough to farm a substantial amount of damage, a decent 550+ match score can be achieved from just 1 or 2 good assault kills).

Also there is small advantages to using special mech chassis such as hero mechs, I will often run a Battlemaster 1G(P) or a Archer Tempest, and usually get an average of 600 to 900 damage per match.

To name some weapons that are good at farming the damage, 4 to 6 medium or medium pulses, along with large, er large, or large pulse lasers, LRM5, LRM10,(with LRM DON'T use Artemis, just go in with standard LRM, and always find the heaviest target to farm first as that's where the most armor points are at). I have heard that LBX is good for farming damage as well but I haven't tried this as my high ping and AC's don't tend to work well, if at all.

[Peter2k]

Drunken Skull, on 26 August 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

Spoiler

I started at Tier 5 when the system was introduced. I have found some mechs will drop the tier level whilst other mechs can raise the tier level. This is due to certain mechs being able to "farm" or spread damage better than other mechs because of their loadout and hardpoint types/locations.

To name a few good chassis I've used for farming damage, I'd say try the Battlemaster 1G for it's high torso Energy mounts(great for hill humping), The Catapult C-4 for it's four missile mounts and LRM quirks(excellent when an enemy assault is painted, the LRM spread keeps the victim alive long enough to farm a substantial amount of damage, a decent 550+ match score can be achieved from just 1 or 2 good assault kills).

Also there is small advantages to using special mech chassis such as hero mechs, I will often run a Battlemaster 1G(P) or a Archer Tempest, and usually get an average of 600 to 900 damage per match.

To name some weapons that are good at farming the damage, 4 to 6 medium or medium pulses, along with large, er large, or large pulse lasers, LRM5, LRM10,(with LRM DON'T use Artemis, just go in with standard LRM, and always find the heaviest target to farm first as that's where the most armor points are at). I have heard that LBX is good for farming damage as well but I haven't tried this as my high ping and AC's don't tend to work well, if at all.

OP stated he has/had help with mech builds
And yes damage is the most contributing factor
But after that kills come next
If he'd be able to kill things efficiently and thus not farm damage, he'd still be gone up in rating in such a long time

Also you might not want to farm you're way up if you can't actually compete, at least in you're own way

I think many high tier players would enjoy a break by playing in the lower tiers

I would think OP just dies too fast, being too aggressive or something the like

Edited by Peter2k, 26 August 2016 - 07:42 PM.

[Drunken Skull]

Peter2k, on 26 August 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

OP stated he has/had help with mech builds
And yes damage is the most contributing factor
But after that kills come next
If he'd be able to kill things efficiently and thus not farm damage, he'd still be gone up in rating in such a long time

Also you might not want to farm you're way up if you can't actually compete, at least in you're own way

I think many high tier players would enjoy a break by playing in the lower tiers

I would think OP just dies too fast, being too aggressive or something the like

If the OP is only averaging 100 damage I think it's pretty clear he hasn't had the talk/help he actually needs...

[Peter2k]

Drunken Skull, on 26 August 2016 - 07:47 PM, said:

If the OP is only averaging 100 damage I think it's pretty clear he hasn't had the talk/help he actually needs...

That's why I would like to actually see him.play

Even in a terrible loadout you should be able to do more damage
If you know how to play
Everyone got a way to play in this game
Something works for one, while it doesn't work for the other

However a simple dual Gauss to one mech is already 30 points of damage
That should be doable on a more regular fashion
and dual er large or Lrg pulse reach out far enough and do good damage
20 is just so low
Even 100
Seems he dies too fast
A Splat Cat could do 100 in 2 alphas

Edit
I'm not saying you're wrong
I think he needs actual help
But again
I'm not sure what kind of loadout you could have to do so terrible

Edited by Peter2k, 26 August 2016 - 07:54 PM.

[The Lost Boy]

Yosharian, on 26 August 2016 - 04:40 PM, said:

Don't really see the purpose of a thread like this

Hes. Asking. For. Help.

[UnofficialOperator]

MattNovaCat, on 26 August 2016 - 07:05 PM, said:

Not A, got a new gaming computer since my days in Kurita. FPS is 60-120 not 9012 anymore


Maybe B Had lots of advice on builds from my current unit (lucky 8th unit I've been in). Steak-Crows, Laser-Crows, Ac10AC5, 3 ERMedium Hellbringer, 10 SER Nova.


Not much C. never bother with narc, tag, only snipe in the Raven. Try for brawler or wingman and usually get smoked fast.



Didn't feel like ghost-cockptting today. Done it lots of times and am not learning much..usually mechs I don't own or pilots who are worse than me. (Heat vision on terra therma? Why?) Sometimes I know I overextended or overheated or just blundered into the wrong location...its sheer weight of enemy fire and uncanny accuracy.

Are you mainly solo pugging or group dropping? If you are mainly group dropping then its more difficult at your level I guess. Easiest is to solo pug imo, unless you have a full group of 11 T1 players to carry you.

And how much ping are you getting in your best server?

Edited by UnofficialOperator, 26 August 2016 - 08:34 PM.

[stealthraccoon]

Been playing for 3 years and they rated me a Tier 5, fine by me, I'd still run sub-meta mechs into the dirt on a regular basis!

Don't let tier dictate the quality of your games. Tier 5 requires lots of play time, and also high damage output expectations.

[Peter2k]

stealthraccoon, on 26 August 2016 - 08:28 PM, said:

Been playing for 3 years and they rated me a Tier 5, fine by me, I'd still run sub-meta mechs into the dirt on a regular basis!

Don't let tier dictate the quality of your games. Tier 5 requires lots of play time, and also high damage output expectations.

While I agree that having fun is the primary here
It still would be fun to go beyond 20 damage I'd think

[Manei Domini Krigg]

MattNovaCat, on 26 August 2016 - 02:18 PM, said:

Yep, after a year of playing I'm still firmly at the bottom of Tier 5.


Barely managed to get the tier bar up to the P in pilot info after nearly a month of hard work...and then Patch Day saw me smashed all the way back down in a single afternoon. Can't get
more than 2 or 3 green up arrows before a red down wipes out everything.



PGI should open up more Tiers so rotten players like me can keep dropping down.

Show your tlts stats.

Edited by Manei Domini Krigg, 26 August 2016 - 09:03 PM.

[Bohxim]

It's not bad remaining at lower tiers if you wanna enjoy and play a longer game. Altho most of it may be poking and trading due to a higher tendency to camp... it allows you more time and leeway to flank out and play around with tactics. At t1, you can get your assault mech cored out in 4-5 s poking out at the wrong angle, so fast it's not even funny. Get a Lance full of hard-core elites in a Lance and a game can literally end in 5 minutes or less

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Bohxim, on 26 August 2016 - 09:04 PM, said:

Get a Lance full of hard-core elites in a Lance and a game can literally end in 5 minutes or less

5 minutes or less is the common game time, if you get a really hardcore lance they can end it in a minute flat though on a small enough map.

[Tarl Cabot]

Tarl Cabot, on 26 August 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

........

Ignoring that tier you are in, how do you feel about the way the battles evolve? Are you the first to die or the last? How do you feel about your performances in those matches?

With that said, create an alt account just for testing. Do not purchase anything and drive the trial mechs for about 20 drops.

Just to reiterate the above, other than the tier listing, which you can hide in-game, how do you feel about how you play the game? That you started a thread indicates that tier 5 may be weighing on you, though if you are okay with how you represent yourself in combat, don't sweat it. But if it is bothering you then you need to look at changing your game play approach, and a few video recordings would be helpful.

First, mouse settings, move the game's mouse sensitivity to the far left, around 0.2 or so. That will help steady your mouse so the cross hairs do not move so quickly on the screen.

Two, stick with the main group, this is not a Rambo setting. Then try dropping with the same mech over several matches, or variants of that mech, because you need to get into a grove. And set some goals with damage being dealt. Even though you are the same person, each mech does play different. And that you consider staying in a match after your death mech zombie could indicate you are after quantity of matches instead of match quality.

Again though, if you really are okay with your quality of play, that you believe you are doing your best and with how you are representing yourself in your drops, then hide your tier level in game and keep playing, it is not a race to the top for everyone. Even though the current PSR is more of an experience level, that leveling does slow down for many.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 26 August 2016 - 09:27 PM.

[Random Carnage]

Pick an assault that looks like they know what they're doing, and act as wingman. They'll draw most of the fire while you get in some shots and help split the attn of any opponent. If the red happens to look your way, well then at least you have a good chance of your fat buddy killing the red before it finishes you.