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[The6thMessenger]

So i got the Phoenix Down achievement, for killing a Phoenix Mech.

Dafuq is a Phoenix Mech?

[Alistair Winter]

It's a (P) variant mech from the second mech pack in MWO, with Locust, Shadowhawk, Thunderbolt, Battlemaster, Griffin and Wolverine.

No longer for sale, because the majority of the community voted against it, for whatever reason.

[zagibu]

The reason the community voted against it is because the whole business model of MWO is buying into exclusivity.

[The6thMessenger]

Well, okay ty. Removing the Phoenix models just made them more exclusive.

[Juodas Varnas]

Alistair Winter, on 29 August 2016 - 12:19 AM, said:

It's a (P) variant mech from the second mech pack in MWO, with Locust, Shadowhawk, Thunderbolt, Battlemaster, Griffin and Wolverine.

No longer for sale, because the majority of the community voted against it, for whatever reason.

Eh, PGI shouldn't have given them the voting opportunity

There's no reason at all why the (P) variants are as exclusive as they are, i mean, when it comes to Founders (and now Gold) it makes sense for them to be such an exclusive type of deal, but the Phoenix pack? It's no different than the Invasion or the resistance packs.
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I'm just salty because i missed out on the Round Chin Turret Wolverine

[kesmai]

Juodas Varnas, on 29 August 2016 - 01:24 AM, said:

Eh, PGI shouldn't have given them the voting opportunity

There's no reason at all why the (P) variants are as exclusive as they are, i mean, when it comes to Founders (and now Gold) it makes sense for them to be such an exclusive type of deal, but the Phoenix pack? It's no different than the Invasion or the resistance packs.
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I'm just salty because i missed out on the Round Chin Turret Wolverine

The phoenix pack was offered for a "limited time" only. PGI themselves stated that. They made this to get the guys back in 2013 to buy the pack. We did that. We did also insist on PGI to stay with their stated "limited time" offer, because it was a part of the deal.

[Alistair Winter]

Juodas Varnas, on 29 August 2016 - 01:24 AM, said:

Eh, PGI shouldn't have given them the voting opportunity

There's no reason at all why the (P) variants are as exclusive as they are, i mean, when it comes to Founders (and now Gold) it makes sense for them to be such an exclusive type of deal, but the Phoenix pack? It's no different than the Invasion or the resistance packs.
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I'm just salty because i missed out on the Round Chin Turret Wolverine

If I could gift you mine, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But we can't have nice things

[C E Dwyer]

Something rarely seen these days as other mechs have better quirks, weapon mix etc etc..

If your new and got the badge I think your lucky these days, shame the reward is some what on the low side at 500 GXP, if I remember correctly

[Chados]

Well, that *is* a shame. I started the game well after that pack wasn't available. I'd totally buy it if it was, LOL. I like the (P) Battlemaster. You still see them from time to time, it's how I got my "Phoenix Down" achievement last year.

[Red Shrike]

I guess I should play my Phoenix mechs more often.

[jss78]

I agree it's a bit strange they're not available for purchase anymore. It's just another 'mech pack, the rest of which are available ad infinitum, if you're willing to use real €/$. I guess people or PGI think of it as a "late founder" type of a deal. Fair enough I guess.

I'll admit I'm being salty for not having the luggage racks on my Shadow Hawk.

[Appogee]

I'm a Phoenix owner and I voted to let other people buy them.

I was surprised and disappointed that the majority voted against the idea. It would have been additional revenue to PGI at no additional cost.

[Bud Crue]

I complain a lot that PGI does nothing to include the "lore" of the greater BattleTech universe in this game, despite the fact that they pay for a license to that material. To me it is wasteful and alienates us BT nerds that would otherwise throw gobs of money at the game if PGI would just put in a bit of effort and add some basic descriptions of mechs, factions, weapons systems etc. or even provide a mechanism to allow the community to do it for them.

The fact that PGI does not bother with the lore of the universe its own game is set in (and that they pay for) is one thing, but they take this ignorance to a whole new level when they don't even bother to provide any explanation of their own game created "lore" as reflected by the OP (e.g. you get an award for killing a phoenix mech, but there is no in game description of what a phoenix mech is, etc.). I swear PGI is the meta level of indifference with this stuff.

[NeoCodex]

Appogee, on 29 August 2016 - 02:59 AM, said:

I'm a Phoenix owner and I voted to let other people buy them.

I was surprised and disappointed that the majority voted against the idea. It would have been additional revenue to PGI at no additional cost.

No. We bought those in promise of CW being released by the end of that year but what we got was another mech pack preorder (the 240$ Clan pack) and the promised Phoenix medallions that did not even do what was promised to do, were delievered too late, and... as ussually PGI had to quickly come up with some half arsed idea what the medalions will actually do to shut us up, so they gave some random amount of XP when CW finally entered the game (but it was "supposed to" around the Phoenix release), and... Bah.

Every time that I am reminded of the Phoenix project and that sad year coinciding with it I make a small vomit inside my mouth. Do not remind me about it. It's why I voted against it. It is our cross to bear, just as the founders pack, we will keep what little exclusivity the Phoenix mechs still get.

Not to mention this:


Yet another lie.

Edited by NeoCodex, 29 August 2016 - 04:29 AM.

[Appogee]

NeoCodex, on 29 August 2016 - 04:19 AM, said:

No. We bought those in promise of CW being released by the end of that year but what we got was another mech pack preorder (the 240$ Clan pack) and the promised Phoenix medallions that did not even do what was promised to do, were delievered too late, and... as ussually PGI had to quickly come up with some half arsed idea what the medalions will actually do to shut us up, so they gave some random amount of XP when CW finally entered the game, and... Bah.

Whenever I',m reminded of the Phoenix project and that sad year it was released I vomit inside my mouth a little bit. Do not remind me about it. It's why I voted against it.

None of those things were the fault of the players. Denying other players the Phoenix Mechs seemed selfish to me.

(But I agree with you about the poor behavior by PGI prior and during that year. So I understand the motivation at that time to deny them revenue until they'd made good on their former commitments.)

[NeoCodex]

Yes, it's for denying them easy revenue by releasing this what reminds us of those times and brings back bitter memories.

The vote was never about whether we should let the players have Phoenix mechs. Those mechs have no actual value these days but looking pretty in the hangar.

It is not about being selfish. It is about righteous justice. The vote was about whether we let PGI make a quick cash grab with them again. We decided to not let them do that and make them earn money with actual new content instead. The Phoenix pack was supposed to be exclusive as we blindly bought those during the worst year for MWO on nothing but empty and undelievered promises.

Edited by NeoCodex, 29 August 2016 - 04:37 AM.

[Appogee]

NeoCodex, on 29 August 2016 - 04:33 AM, said:

Yes, it's for denying them easy revenue by releasing this what reminds us of those times and brings back bitter memories.

The vote was never about whether we should let the players have Phoenix mechs. Those mechs have no actual value these days but looking pretty in the hangar.

It is not about being selfish. It is about righteous justice. The vote was about whether we let PGI make a quick cash grab with them again. We decided to not let them do that and make them earn money with actual new content instead. The Phoenix pack was supposed to be exclusive as we blindly bought those during the worst year for MWO on nothing but empty and undelievered promises.

I respect your point of view.

[Plastic Guru]

jss78, on 29 August 2016 - 02:52 AM, said:

I'll admit I'm being salty for not having the luggage racks on my Shadow Hawk.

Wait...
We can get luggage racks?
I'd love to have some for my Locust....I think I could mod them into external Streak mounts

Plastic Guru

[Bregor Edain]

Juodas Varnas, on 29 August 2016 - 01:24 AM, said:

Eh, PGI shouldn't have given them the voting opportunity

There's no reason at all why the (P) variants are as exclusive as they are, i mean, when it comes to Founders (and now Gold) it makes sense for them to be such an exclusive type of deal, but the Phoenix pack? It's no different than the Invasion or the resistance packs.
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I'm just salty because i missed out on the Round Chin Turret Wolverine

The (p) variants also give loyalty points in cw/fp wich is different than any other special variant. Afaik founder mechs give more cbills too.

[Juodas Varnas]

Bregor Edain, on 29 August 2016 - 05:20 AM, said:

The (p) variants also give loyalty points in cw/fp wich is different than any other special variant. Afaik founder mechs give more cbills too.

Do they? I thought that it was the Phoenix Loyalty medallion cockpit item that gave the Loyalty point bonus.