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[Gunhead_]

I hate steampunk because the subculture took an interesting premise and handwaved it away to be more "original". They fixated on the aesthetic and ignored the mechanical side of it- which the whole aesthetic was based on.

[Dataman]

I love futuristic science fiction and steampunk both.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW, OP?

[Affront692]

Gotta say I love steampunk especially since steampunk has a lot of mecha in it. Some good examples is an anime series called "Last Exile" or lets not forget that game "Bioshock".

To me Steampunk is merely a way to have cyberpunk in the older times. Which I am glad for cause its really awesome having scenes like this.....

Edited by Affront692, 17 July 2012 - 11:51 PM.

[Sam Slade]

Valas Hune, on 17 July 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

And i thought the unholy enemy of science fiction was gonna be logic or actual science.

I thought it would be Jesus or Tom Cruise

EDIT: And I loved those semi-Goth chicks at school... they were sexy and still did all the *cough* 'crazy' stuff the real(ugly) Goth chicks did.

Edited by Sam Slade, 18 July 2012 - 12:13 AM.

[Firefly]

I skipped past the OP because I didn't feel like reading three pages of yes-it-is/no-it-isn't nerd fights and harangues.

Steampunk is a genre of science fiction. Science fiction does not mean futuristic space ships. If you pigeonhole sci-fi that way, that's up to you. It's also your glaring mistake.

[Monsoon]

ZnSeventeen, on 17 July 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

and when people like Tesla actually thought we would would use lightning guns in the near future.

Except with Tesla, he probably could have done it, hell he was bringing the world completely accessible wireless electricity, if only he hadn't been played by JP Morgan.

[Galen Tregarth]

I got into Steampunk because I'm also a Living History Reenactor of the Civil War and Mexican War eras. I also play Warhammer 40K and it has some elements of Steampunk style in the dress and overall archetecture. I also am addicted to Battletech. I have every Techreadout and read them constantly. I am an avid Mecha fan. I am a coniseur of the Macross series, Mobile Suit Gundam series(all of them even the God-awful Gundam Wing), Martian Successor Nadesico, Godanner, Daiguard, Kishin Corps, Eureka 7, Vision of Escaflowne, RideBack, Full Metal Panic, Gurren Laggan, Gunbuster, I can go on. Oh and by the way I like the classic Doctor Who from the 70's & and 80's and the new ones. So up yours.

[DEHK]

Sam Slade, on 18 July 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

I thought it would be Jesus or Tom Cruise

EDIT: And I loved those semi-Goth chicks at school... they were sexy and still did all the *cough* 'crazy' stuff the real(ugly) Goth chicks did.

I kinda preferred the "ugly" ones.

[Nairdowell]

Steampunk started as a literary genre, then people started to dress the part.... Its based on Victorian Sci-Fi, not modern Sci-Fi, and many modern Sc-Fi writers don't like it because the science is lacking.... However, many makers (people who make the fantasical props and accessories) use science in their designs....

Steampunk has only recently become well known and has started to be used by various "artists" in their music and settings.... however, its the people who make the genre fun.... There are no limitations placed on one's interpretation of the genre nor are there politics (see current SCA)...

So as to the OP's issue with SP... if the complaint is there's not enough true science in Steampunk.... pretty much correct.... however, if you do want to see some SteamPunk mecha science.... look up Abney Park's SteamPunk Revolution in youtube.... LOTS of full size moving machines....

And perhaps we can see some of the below in MWO in the retro-future (joke...)

Gentleman's Duel

[Mr Sockpuppet]

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Go watch Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. That movie is the epitome of steampunk.[/color]

Actually Sky Captain falls more into the Dieselpunk / Atompunk genres

Edited by Mr Sockpuppet, 18 July 2012 - 07:11 AM.

[Dustein]

BlackFlag, on 17 July 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

Some of you might like steampunk. I seriously doubt this, as I don't know too many fans of mecha and steampunk.... But for those of you confused, I will explain.

That's what steampunk is to SciFi. A prettier, less intelligent imitation.

Steampunk is ******* evil.

PS. the people who like steampunk are the same people who watch and enjoy Dr. Who episodes produced from the mid-90's onward. I really don't know how those two are related, other than an alien time machine being hidden inside a retro English police phone booth.

BlackFlag - if this is your opinion then you are entilted to it. However I would like to make a few points of my own:

• "Steampunk Mecha" = "About 66,500 results (0.21 seconds)" from Google
  
• you have made allot of generalisation that may be true in some situations but not all.
  
• if you want to share opinion then go for it. But I do not believe you are entitled to state unequivocally something is " ******* evil" or "less intelligent imitation"

If I like Apples but hate Oranges is the latter evil? or an imitation? or just what I think? Please do not try and shove your thoughts down others throats.. Some people are allergic to oranges.

~Edit start~
Looking forward to MWO, this topic was a nice distraction from the waiting time
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Edited by Dustein, 18 July 2012 - 07:15 AM.

[Jaxxon Steele]

What's wrong with Steampunk?

[Relic1701]

Technically, the alien time machine IS the retro 60's police box, it just got stuck in that configuration when it's chameleon circuit broke...


Dr.Who rocks....end of.

[General Veers]

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Watch Big O, then compare it to Neon Genesis Evangelion.

As someone who likes both series I do not believe you can directly compare the two.

It's akin to comparing Star Trek with Star Wars - it happens because they are both popular space shows, but they are completely different. Trek is a science fiction and Wars is a space opera and the only thing that they share in common is that there are human actors and they are in space.

Edited by General Veers, 18 July 2012 - 07:14 AM.

[Spiralcrisis]

Jaxxon Steele, on 18 July 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

What's wrong with Steampunk?

[Jiri Starrider]

Ok, not into steampunk myself, but it looks fun. Bad writing is the death of sci-fi, and plenty of that exists across all genre's.

Also, how is Skycaptain anything other than Pulp, classic pulp? Both the novel and comic forms of it.

[Aeropunk]

Hey, I like all the something-punks
...but mainly for the fashion or style of the overall genres. Most of the fiction runs of into silly fantasies or impracticalities. Cool clothes, cool gear and a pieces of old-fashionedness thrown in together is what I like.

Really depends on what you want to get out of something. For me, I don't really care if there's a deep backstory to MW:O, as long as there is good, technical combat I'll be happy. If there's a great backstory that's awesome too, but for me that's just a plus.

Edited by Aeropunk, 18 July 2012 - 07:34 AM.

[Feindfeuer]

Sorry OP, but the 'unholy enemy of Science Fiction' is not Steampunk, but science fiction itself. Like the goth analogy sci-fi evolved a lot over time with the old hard sci-fi stories beeing extremly detailed on tech used and how it works and influences everyday life and soft sci-fi exploring different dystopian and utopian ideas and using the the 'science/technology' part as a tool to get those settings to work, but focusing on the social fallout instead of technical details... both aspects were often found in the same setting and/or novel...

Nowadays sci-fi stands mostly for pirate and knight tales in space with lasers instead of bows, guns and/or swords. Though i don't have a problem with that... as many modern settings (i'll include the 80s when talking about modern) are pretty much just that... no matter if it's battletech, 40K or star wars. They are all more or less just fantasy tales, but that's ok... cause they're fun.

Understanding this, Steampunk is probably less of an 'mortal enemy' to modern sci-fi and more of the same... just put in the 19th century and the fantasy tales using steam instead of fusion reactors for the magical artifacts.

[Exilyth]

The only problems I see with steampunk are the "Gears and clockworks everywhere, no matter if they serve a purpose!" attitude and the general lack of "-punk".

While the idea of an victorian era society with more advanced technology is intriguing, many works on the topic either fail to consider the implications theese advances have on society or fall so far on the soft side of science fiction that they could be better described as science fantasy. There are exceptions, of course.


This reminds me... I still have to read The Difference Engine sometime.

[Kyuzo]

BlackFlag, on 17 July 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

Watch Samurai 7. Then wonder why anyone thought it would be a good idea to make a show about samurai fighting off a gundam attack with swords.

i recent that remark

Edited by Kyuzo, 18 July 2012 - 09:57 AM.