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[nimdabew]

I read a post a whole back about how Kodiak's have changed the name of this game, for better or worse. Tournaments are a good indicator what people are running for a weight class and what mechs they do use within that weight class. I give you this tournament, going on right now, as example of what people are bringing and what tech base they are using.

https://mwomercs.com...?t=201608weight

Kodiak's and clan tech represent 63 of the 75 slots in the assault class. You have to go down 10 positions before seeing a single IS mech that contributed most to a player's score. This is not an accident. 13 IS mechs to the Kodiak and dire wolf spam. Of the Kodiak and dire wolf spam, about 1/5 of the clan tech is direwolf. There are a smattering of IS mechs, mostly maulers and awesome, but it is mostly Kodiak's. 42 Kodiak's are listed. 42!!!!

People scream that Kodiak's are not OP, but they are. Thif they weren't, then they would be represented on that board with infrequency like the Highlander or a Zeus. But no, we are left with the UAC spam.

[WANTED]

Tah has a good post to back this up with real hard data.

http://mwomercs.com/...sts-are-op-but/

[Saint Atlas and the Commando Elf]

So, where's the news?

I doubt anything will be done about the Kodiak in the near future, because:

-It is most likely the best selling mech within the last two years, so a lot of people would get upset
-It was already nerfed slightly
-PGI is working on that Powerdraw thingy. No use touching Quirks again before that is implemented

And don't overrate that tournament. Or expect it to be fair.

[justcallme A S H]

So apart from the 100 other KDK3 threads.

What does this have to do with the Faction Play part of the forum exactly?

[Spider00x]

We've entered the age of the Kodiak, even in qp where 1000 dmg is the norm your chasing dmg. This is almost as bad as the old unnerfed dragons.

[Vincent Quatermain]

R31Nismoid, on 22 August 2016 - 08:39 PM, said:

So apart from the 100 other KDK3 threads.

What does this have to do with the Faction Play part of the forum exactly?

Particularly since the Kodiak is decidedly not OP in Faction Play. Unless you're on defense (maybe), you are better off with Timbys and Ebon Jags.

[Fake News]

the alternative is a whale? lol

[WANTED]

Hmmm i should just get a Kodiak cause so far every mech I get the next couple of days it gets nerfed. My recent purchase was the oxide during the sale. Heh

[Fake News]

they will probably nerf it into the ground just like the timby thanks to these is whiners. best just play ice ferrets.

[Carl Vickers]

WANTED, on 23 August 2016 - 10:57 AM, said:

Hmmm i should just get a Kodiak cause so far every mech I get the next couple of days it gets nerfed. My recent purchase was the oxide during the sale. Heh

When you see a mech that is doing well go on sale, be afraid, be very afraid it is going to get slapped upside the cockpit with the nerbat in the very near future.

Its cause they know it wont sell after that.

[Davegt27]

I am just going for the 50 MC

so I will work my way up the list from Assaults to maybe lights

might have to have a few drinks to get in to a light

[Surn]

Kodiak Nerfed? I don't think that word means what you think it means. Please explain exactly what was nerfed...i only recall a bug that allowed 4uac without scaled heat was fixed...what nerf?

[SmokeGuar]

Kodiak had Acceleration and Turn buffs at release, to match other assaults. All of those were removed. Armor and structure quirks were reduced as well.

KDK3 being dakka boat requires huge amount of face time to being effective. Other option is to flank oppo and shoot from cover. For a huge 100 tonner, this is not so easy. And this is what sets really good players apart, using cover effectively and landing shots when opportunity arises.

How many of you actually drives Kodiak?

[Davegt27]

I drive a Kodiak but I suck

I wont even use my KDK-3 but my SB kicks butt (ok I suck less in it)

the big thing I like is its turn speed so if I get attacked by a light I am not helpless

[MazeRunner]

I think some/many people's problem with the kdk3 is they try to use many of the same techniques with Heavy and Mediums that were effective against the Dire and Warhawk. On a whim, I grabbed a Uac5 MaulerMX90, no xp on it and tossed it in front of some Kodiaks.

I was floored when they backed off a bit. Not a lot, certainly didn't send them running to regroup or anything but it slowed them down, suddenly something of, roughly, comparable weight and performance had the experienced players backing off a little. Enough to let some of my team actually gain a bit of ground.
Now the Kdk3 is a monster: good mobility, solid firepower, heavily armored, good weapon placement..frankly, I still think the Kodiaks were a needed addition to the Clan's Asssault class. But I'm thinking about picking up some other IS Assault class to see what else might be able to withstand a Kodiaks consistent dps to get some good return fire. While I'd guess that IS Heavies will continue to be the workhorses of IS Dropecks, I'm hardpressed to the call the Kodiak overpowered.

[MischiefSC]

Kdk3 is the best assault, by far. With the mobility quirks it was OP. Now it's just significantly better than any other assault.

[S T I N G S]

Nerf the Kodiak or buff the Cyclops one of the two

[Sjorpha]

SmokeGuar, on 24 August 2016 - 03:56 AM, said:

Kodiak had Acceleration and Turn buffs at release, to match other assaults. All of those were removed. Armor and structure quirks were reduced as well. KDK3 being dakka boat requires huge amount of face time to being effective. Other option is to flank oppo and shoot from cover. For a huge 100 tonner, this is not so easy. And this is what sets really good players apart, using cover effectively and landing shots when opportunity arises. How many of you actually drives Kodiak?

I drive them all the time. Strongest mech in the game, and that isn't a close call.

The dakka boat does not require lot's of facetime at all, and I have no idea why people keep throwing that silliness out. You have high mounts to poke and double tap for huge damage in less time than the duration of an average laser, meaning you don't need more facetime than the typical laser vomit mech. You CAN facetank effectively if you WANT to simply because almost no other mech can match your firepower 1v1, but you dont HAVE to do that because you have the best of two worlds.

You also have the strongest PPFLD build in the entire game on the same mech, requiring almost no facetime at all and being just as strong as the dakka build. In other words the facetime argument has exactly zero validity.

[Natural Predator]

As someone who uses it a lot I can tell you the kodiak is tier 1. I expect to get between 800-1000 damage in it per match, to do less is to waste 100 tons of weight. But I will say I actually score more consistently better running two timbers, a hellbringer, and a cheetah then I ever will a kodiak, hellbringer, stormcrow, cheetah. But their is some validity to saying he kodiak has been a game changer for the clans. That being said I think the problem is that IS assaults are so nerfed to the ground it's unreal. I do want to point out that I easily out score any heavy mech in the game in my black widow war hammer on a consistent basis. That mech is a killer in every sense of the word.

[Djinnhammer]

MischiefSC, on 01 September 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

Kdk3 is the best assault, by far. With the mobility quirks it was OP. Now it's just significantly better than any other assault.

But it isn't.....