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[PyckenZot]

El Bandito, on 14 October 2016 - 05:39 AM, said:

The issue lies in the fact that KDK-3 is very fast for a 100 tonner without sacrificing toughness or firepower + got high mounts for those dakka, or PPFLDs.




Taking out both STs is less efficient than coring out that giant CT, even with the +15 CT quirk. And since CT is the place most pugmates aim at automatically, it is logical place to shoot at. Which is why I want the CT quirk to be removed. Can't have a durable, fast, and deadly 100 ton mech with high mounts. Too high of a bar for other mechs to catch up to.

front CT = 120 armor + 62 structure + 15 structure bonus = 197 points
front ST = 80 armor + 42 structure = 122 points

back CT = 4 armor + 62 structure + 15 structure bonus = 81 points
back ST = 4 armor + 42 structure = 46 points

I'd rather eat through the ST first and half the incoming DPS. But that's just me,...

Edited by PyckenZot, 14 October 2016 - 05:55 AM.

[El Bandito]

PyckenZot, on 14 October 2016 - 05:53 AM, said:

front CT = 120 CT armor + 62 CT structure + 15 CT structure bonus = 197 points
back CT = 4 CT armor + 62 CT structure + 15 CT structure bonus = 81 points
front ST = 80 ST armor + 42 CT structure = 122 points
back ST = 4 ST armor + 42 CT structure = 46 points

I'd rather eat through the ST first and half the incoming DPS. But that's just me,...

As I said, pugs generally shoot at the CT of the Kodiaks, which alone is enough reason for me to shoot at whatever they are shooting at. Much faster that way.

[PyckenZot]

El Bandito, on 14 October 2016 - 05:55 AM, said:

As I said, pugs generally shoot at the CT of the Kodiaks, which alone is enough reason for me to shoot at whatever they are shooting at. Much faster that way.

Why discuss moot points? Of course you shoot the most damaged parts,... But when you face a "new" KDK you aim for the ST. Simple,...

[adamts01]

Attank, on 14 October 2016 - 03:59 AM, said:

On a serious note, i dunno if they are OP, or unbalanced, or need rework.
One can simply say that actually is by far the best assault around (like it was for the highlander before double-nerf).
And it is not a personal opinion.
99% of the Assault mechs used in actual world Tournaments are KDK3.

This is what I just don't understand about this community. There are three options regarding how powerful something is. Under-powered, equally powerful, or over-powered. That's it, it's not complicated. So after admitting the Kodiak 3 is not only the best assault, but the best "by far", and 99% of tournament assaults are KDK3s, and you still "dunno if they are OP"? Really? Seriously? Think about what you've said.

[Bud Crue]

PyckenZot, on 14 October 2016 - 06:02 AM, said:

Why discuss moot points? Of course you shoot the most damaged parts,... But when you face a "new" KDK you aim for the ST. Simple,...

My view has always been never face a new KDK. Let someone else do it while you go around and shoot em in the back. Though admittedly, your written breakdown of armor values above makes me think I'm not being nearly as clever as I think I am when doing that. 81 pts in the rear ct...even just 46 pts in the rear st...yikes. What am I doing back there in Locust again?

[PyckenZot]

Bud Crue, on 14 October 2016 - 06:15 AM, said:

My view has always been never face a new KDK. Let someone else do it while you go around and shoot em in the back. Though admittedly, your written breakdown of armor values above makes me think I'm not being nearly as clever as I think I am when doing that. 81 pts in the rear ct...even just 46 pts in the rear st...yikes. What am I doing back there in Locust again?

I never said anything about preferring to take them out face to face

(ps. 46 points was super easy with the old LCT-1V)

Edited by PyckenZot, 14 October 2016 - 06:20 AM.

[Mole]

Oh for the love of ****, are people still calling the Kodiak P2W even well after its CBill release? Get a friggin' clue, people.

[Battlemaster56]

Mole, on 14 October 2016 - 06:20 AM, said:

Oh for the love of ****, are people still calling the Kodiak P2W even well after its CBill release? Get a friggin' clue, people.

I'm sorry to say this but you asking to much from the clueless...

[Quicksilver Aberration]

El Bandito, on 14 October 2016 - 05:39 AM, said:

Taking out both STs is less efficient than coring out that giant CT, even with the +15 CT quirk.

I want to point out this is not always the case. For the asym ERPPC/Gauss PokeBears, the side torsos are actually really good targets to aim for if you know which side has the PPCs.



That said, as a comp player and supposed tryhard, the Kodiak 3 needs to lose its quirks completely, and as others have said, remove some of its torso twist I mean why does it have better torso twist than the BLR-1G and the good Stalkers?

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 14 October 2016 - 06:44 AM.

[Ziogualty]

adamts01, on 14 October 2016 - 06:12 AM, said:

This is what I just don't understand about this community. There are three options regarding how powerful something is. Under-powered, equally powerful, or over-powered. That's it, it's not complicated. So after admitting the Kodiak 3 is not only the best assault, but the best "by far", and 99% of tournament assaults are KDK3s, and you still "dunno if they are OP"? Really? Seriously? Think about what you've said.

Is that i'm not so passionate about the topic. KDK3 don't ruin my day and i still have fun playing.
Should i scream and complain or do statements by rule?
I just stated one fact (about the tournament rate) and personal opinions, nothing more.
I'm open minded, and reading many players having different opinions is enough to make me say "i dunno if they are OP".
Really and seriously.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Attank, on 14 October 2016 - 06:44 AM, said:

I'm open minded, and reading many players having different opinions is enough to make me say "i dunno if they are OP".
Really and seriously.

You will always have people defending a mech, regardless of how good it is. People seriously defended NOT buffing the Mist Lynx throughout several threads even though everyone understood that it was bad.
There is a reason it is the most common assault both in pubs and in the tournament currently going on, and that is because it is the best assault bar none.

[Ziogualty]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 October 2016 - 06:47 AM, said:

You will always have people defending a mech, regardless of how good it is. People seriously defended NOT buffing the Mist Lynx throughout several threads even though everyone understood that it was bad.
There is a reason it is the most common assault both in pubs and in the tournament currently going on, and that is because it is the best assault bar none.

I know that, and that is way i say i "think" is the best assault.
But this is a forum, a gaming one, so reading everything and be open minded cannot be linked about fanboys and haters replies.
Otherwise i wouldn't spend some time here. Or in any other forum (Nvidia VS AMD is the best example, or Android vs Apple)

Edited by Attank, 14 October 2016 - 07:05 AM.

[El Bandito]

PyckenZot, on 14 October 2016 - 06:02 AM, said:

Why discuss moot points? Of course you shoot the most damaged parts,... But when you face a "new" KDK you aim for the ST. Simple,...

You do not understand at all. I shoot fresh Kodiak CTs as well because most teammates that have a shot at that Kodiak is also likely to shoot at the CT. It is ingrained in the current pug mentality.

Edited by El Bandito, 14 October 2016 - 06:56 AM.

[xe N on]

I can score up to 900 damage in my 50 ton HBK-IIC-C with 2-UAC-10... driving a Kodiak must be like driving two hunchy-II at the same moment.

Edited by xe N on, 14 October 2016 - 06:56 AM.

[Tristan Winter]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 October 2016 - 06:42 AM, said:

That said, as a comp player and supposed tryhard, the Kodiak 3 needs to lose its quirks completely, and as others have said, remove some of its torso twist I mean why does it have better torso twist than the BLR-1G and the good Stalkers?

197mmCannon, on 14 October 2016 - 05:41 AM, said:

lol c'mon. If it was just for aesthetics then you would see other Kodiaks besides the 3. The Kodiak does look very cool but it is also OP. Every Kodiak is strong as hell and the 3 is op.
It's ok to say it. I don't think it needs to be nerfed though.

I don't know what is most disturbing. Your inability to see that I was joking or the fact that you admit it's OP but don't think it needs to be nerfed. That's kind of what nerfing is for.

[El Bandito]

xe N on, on 14 October 2016 - 06:55 AM, said:

I can score up to 900 damage in my 50 ton HBK-IIC-C with 2-UAC-10... driving a Kodiak must be like driving two hunchy-II at the same moment.

Pre-CUAC10 GH nerf, KDK-3 did just that. Up to 1800 damage was definitely not unheard of. Now the KDK-3 has to chain-fire if it wishes to use quad CUAC10 build.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Attank, on 14 October 2016 - 06:51 AM, said:

But this is a forum, a gaming one, so reading everything and be open minded cannot be liked about fanboys and haters replies.

I get being open minded, but after playing since the Kodiak was released I can easily understand why it is so much better than other mechs, especially given the current comp meta revolves around the Kodiak and counters to it (it is the reason the HBK-IIC-A poptart actually rose to prominence). There is plenty enough evidence that suggests the Kodiak is a serious outlier, so I'm not keen to treat those replies in the same way I would on a mech that was potentially borderline.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 14 October 2016 - 06:59 AM.

[SlyJJ]

No two ways about it, the Kodiak is the best assault there is at the moment- clan or IS. Kodiak rushes are an easy way to mop up in CW, sure- but frankly I don't want it nerfed.

Despite the willfully ignorant, its the clan tech that makes it so powerful. Keep it the way it is, and give IS an annihilator. Hopefully that could square a few things up.

[meteorol]

Chances are PGI won't do much balancing at all until ED goes live or gets ditched.

[PyckenZot]

El Bandito, on 14 October 2016 - 06:51 AM, said:

You do not understand at all. I shoot fresh Kodiak CTs as well because most teammates that have a shot at that Kodiak is also likely to shoot at the CT. It is ingrained in the current pug mentality.

I perfectly understand. But still dissagree with the course of action.