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[Ted Wayz]

This is just an odd thread.

Sure, if PGI admits it is not a Battletech game and refunds my money. Additionally they give back the license and on top of that rename all the mechs to non battletech names and use a different universe, houses, etc. Then sure.

[Gas Guzzler]

Summon3r, on 15 October 2016 - 07:41 PM, said:

this is NOT a "SIM" and NOT "BATTLETECH" and NOT "THINKING MANS". more like arcade robots point pin point reticle and alpha shooter.

Um, you do realize that the people who are good at this game do quite a bit of thinking right? If you aren't thinking, you are probably doing bad.

[jonfett]

I'll be here until my premium time runs out, and then I'm off to play a real Battletech game.

[BLOOD WOLF]

gonna make this clear in case some people didn't get it. When the new BT game comes out of course some people will choose to play that game over this. Others will play that and MWO like me. Others won't touch it because it's not the game they are looking to play. Both the games are very distinct and offer something different.

Don't kid yourself if you think MWO will lose the majority of its players because the New BT game comes out. It's a niche game like MWO. Might as well make a thread about it, to better demonstrate my point.

Also whether some people like it or not, this is a battletech game.

[Summon3r]

Imperius, on 15 October 2016 - 08:09 PM, said:

How did you miss my sarcasm??? How???

my bad honestly lol sometimes i forget who the white knights are who arent though it seems the white knights are slowly fading

[Deathlike]

Summon3r, on 15 October 2016 - 09:38 PM, said:

my bad honestly lol sometimes i forget who the white knights are who arent though it seems the white knights are slowly fading

Some are growing more dense...

The funny thing is that PGI very good at creating the bittervets...

[Summon3r]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 October 2016 - 09:12 PM, said:

Um, you do realize that the people who are good at this game do quite a bit of thinking right? If you aren't thinking, you are probably doing bad.

were gonna have to agree to disagree on that one as im sure we could go back and forth for ever on our own points of view of what thinking is when it comes to this game.

[Captain Stiffy]

They already just ignore it wherever they want. The Hero mechs etc... aren't cannon. Build rules, weights, everything.

The only stuff that is BT are the names of things and lossely the mech designs.

BINO - bt in name only

[LordNothing]

Ruccus, on 15 October 2016 - 08:24 PM, said:

I'm not sure how you think a turn-based strategy game is going to be a substitute for a first person shooter style game. I think HBS' game is going to be great for me when I don't feel like dropping into a twitch shooter, or want to watch TV or have dinner while playing a game on the side, or just want to relax and play a game at a slower pace but I think it'll be rare that there's a time I sit down at the computer and then decide 'MechWarrior Online or Battletech?'.

what we got here is a game thats trying to satisfy 2 distinct camps. the tt camp, who is in it for the lore and the roleplay, the mechwarrior camp, who are in to it for some stompy mech action, and can care less about the picture next to their name. so when the tt camp get their own game, pgi can just focus on the mechwarrior camp. you then can play the game that you like or play both.

Davers, on 15 October 2016 - 04:59 PM, said:

So HBS causes the complete collapse of MWO as we know it, and forces everyone to play on some unit's server?

Where is the good thing you mentioned?

ymmv. i see it as a good thing because the remaining player base will be the mechwarrior crowd. frankly i think the tt people get the better end of the stick, because they get to trade up for a potentially better developer.

[FalconerGray]

LordNothing, on 15 October 2016 - 09:52 PM, said:

what we got here is a game thats trying to satisfy 2 distinct camps. the tt camp, who is in it for the lore and the roleplay, the mechwarrior camp, who are in to it for some stompy mech action, and can care less about the picture next to their name. so when the tt camp get their own game, pgi can just focus on the mechwarrior camp. you then can play the game that you like or play both.

ymmv. i see it as a good thing because the remaining player base will be the mechwarrior crowd. frankly i think the tt people get the better end of the stick, because they get to trade up for a potentially better developer.

I like your thinking and generally agree with your position in all this, LordNothing, but I've never played a game of TT or Battletech in my life and am extremely unhappy with the direction that PGI is taking MWO. I feel like it's about as far from the previous Mechwarrior titles as a BT FPS can be and I've seen nothing to suggest that it isn't going to continue even further in that direction.

[LordNothing]

legatoblues, on 15 October 2016 - 09:59 PM, said:

I like your thinking and generally agree with your position in all this, LordNothing, but I've never played a game of TT or Battletech in my life and am extremely unhappy with the direction that PGI is taking MWO. I feel like it's about as far from the previous Mechwarrior titles as a BT FPS can be and I've seen nothing to suggest that it isn't going to continue even further in that direction.

im not quite happy with the direction pgi is headed either. they have a minimally viable game. problem is after years of development, they should be well beyond this point, yet here we are. they were overoptimistic about their success and designed themselves into a hole. im hoping with a competitor on the horizon, they will get their stuff together and get cracking. i for one dont want to play a turn based game, even if pgi fails to keep mwo alive, if that happens im going back to living legends.

Edited by LordNothing, 15 October 2016 - 10:16 PM.

[xVLFBERHxT]

LordNothing, on 15 October 2016 - 10:15 PM, said:

im not quite happy with the direction pgi is headed either. they have a minimally viable game. problem is after years of development, they should be well beyond this point, yet here we are. they were overoptimistic about their success and designed themselves into a hole. im hoping with a competitor on the horizon, they will get their stuff together and get cracking. i for one dont want to play a turn based game, even if pgi fails to keep mwo alive, if that happens im going back to living legends.

In my opinion, HBS is no competitor for PGI. NOTHING IS FOR FREE! Even i would not give HBS my mech design for free. So i think the people who are in to HBS Battletech (like me) continuing to pay PGI for some degree as a partner\ shareholder of HBS Battletech game. I think HBS Battletech is like the 2. Transverse game for PGI everybody is scared of and secure the longevity of mwo.

[TLBFestus]

BLOOD WOLF, on 15 October 2016 - 09:30 PM, said:

gonna make this clear in case some people didn't get it. When the new BT game comes out of course some people will choose to play that game over this. Others will play that and MWO like me. Others won't touch it because it's not the game they are looking to play. Both the games are very distinct and offer something different.

Don't kid yourself if you think MWO will lose the majority of its players because the New BT game comes out. It's a niche game like MWO. Might as well make a thread about it, to better demonstrate my point.

Also whether some people like it or not, this is a battletech game.

YEAH, cus Bloodwolf said so and he's never wrong. No, really I mean that. Ask him yourself.

[xX PUG Xx]

jonfett, on 15 October 2016 - 09:19 PM, said:

I'll be here until my premium time runs out, and then I'm off to play a real Battletech game.

Yeah, that sounds about right for me too....

921 days, 15 hours and 47 minutes

(Let's face it, I'm here until they shut the servers down, it doesn't mean I won't play other games but I'm also not going to say "when (insert random game title here) comes out, I'm gone!!!")

[Gas Guzzler]

Summon3r, on 15 October 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:

were gonna have to agree to disagree on that one as im sure we could go back and forth for ever on our own points of view of what thinking is when it comes to this game.

Positioning, flanking, team strategies... of course the latter isn't present in the Yolo queue. Also, if your team is much better than the enemy, much less thinking is required, but up against a strong opponent, this game can feel like a chess game. For a planned drop series teams will spend hours discussing mech builds and strategies.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

The TT come first ...If it had been first in PC / video game, would have appeared on a BT TableTop game quite different ... then there would have been no ranges that only for a tabletop plate and the TT would have had to implement the rules of PC games

[AC]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 October 2016 - 04:25 PM, said:

I'm just gonna play BattleTech on my second monitor between MWO matches. Unless Energy Draw goes through, in which case I will probably just find a different game.

But hey, if there is a "mass" exodus, and all the TT grognards leave, maybe we can finally have a good MechWarrior game and stop worrying about catering to their Mech Safe Space.

This right here is why this game is failing. PGI comes up with overly complex solutions to balance issues. When Gauss+PPC became an issue, rather than implementing slot size limiters, they introduced Gauss delay. When the community moved to laser spam, they again didn't look at a simple solution (like slot size limits) they introduced Ghost heat. And when Ghost heat and gauss delay shelved a good number of mechs, did they then decide to come up with a simple solution? No...they introduced quirks. ugh.... Just find the simplest solution to problems rather than all this complexity!

[Y E O N N E]

AC, on 16 October 2016 - 12:06 AM, said:

This right here is why this game is failing. PGI comes up with overly complex solutions to balance issues. When Gauss+PPC became an issue, rather than implementing slot size limiters, they introduced Gauss delay. When the community moved to laser spam, they again didn't look at a simple solution (like slot size limits) they introduced Ghost heat. And when Ghost heat and gauss delay shelved a good number of mechs, did they then decide to come up with a simple solution? No...they introduced quirks. ugh.... Just find the simplest solution to problems rather than all this complexity!

Ironically, sized hardpoints would not have fixed any of those things.

[Deathlike]

Yeonne Greene, on 16 October 2016 - 12:17 AM, said:

Ironically, sized hardpoints would not have fixed any of those things.

Something like Direwolf would've avoided most of that, while something like the Vindicator-1X would get screwed over royally (not that it wasn't already).

[Maqi]

Mystere, on 15 October 2016 - 03:44 PM, said:

Is there still really any point to it?

It will also provide a whole lot of closure for many people. Let the game sink or swim on its own merits or lack of it. <shrugs>

this game is called Mechwarrior Online.
and has always been and still currently is advertised as a Battletech game.
therefore i expect the game to be as close as possible to other Mechwarrior and Battletech games.
if PGI cant into Mechwarrior and Battletech lore, then they should give back the license to Microsoft and let someone else more competent and devoted to the franchise develop and release Mechwarrior games, and rename this to Stompy Generic Robots Online and see how many players will still be here to play this after PGI has shat all over Battletech lore by implementing garbage like Energy Draw.