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[Ghogiel]

dervishx5, on 16 October 2016 - 09:45 AM, said:

Only because we had nothing else like it. Take off your nostalgia goggles. Go back and play it again. It didn't age nearly as well as something like Mario Kart 64 which is still just as fun.

Still... be sure to walk through that door I placed all those proximity mines on. Or would you prefer slappers only?

Diddy Kong racing was better.

[The Lobsters]

Motroid, on 16 October 2016 - 08:28 AM, said:

You do know that Rares Goldeneye on Nintendo 64 is one of the most successful FPS EVER created? (I think it's about 7 millions copies sold iirc, easy to dig this up)
So the comparison of MWO and Goldeneye on N64 boggles my mind...

I am very aware of Goldeneye's cultural significance, I played it till I went blind

I was making a statement on the context of MWO. Hearing people express their cognitive dissonance time and again, about how it isn't like 'The Original' that they played wot when they were wee lads, always sounds like listening to some dude moan that the film was nothing like the novel.

Was the film any good? Did it do a good job of presenting the authors ideas? Did the people who saw the film with you who haven't read the novel get those ideas? Maybe some of the might read the book now.

In fact, I would make the analogy that Battletech represents the novel, Mechwarrior the movie, and MWO the game. If you get what I mean.


Once, I organised a Battletech/Mechwarior themed fancy dress water pistol fight with 23 friends who were fans also. We all came dressed as our favorite mech. It ended up with everybody challenging the authenticity of each others costumes and the size of their water pistols. We settled on asking four clan guys to go home and change into IS mech costumes, as some wouldn't play until it was 16:8 - IS to Clan, for balance.

Then the clan dudes insisted they would only fight 1 v 1. Then it was the evening and we had to go home for our dinner.


All I wanted was to have fun with my mech chums.






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Edited by The Lobsters, 16 October 2016 - 10:46 AM.

[dervishx5]

Ghogiel, on 16 October 2016 - 10:23 AM, said:

Diddy Kong racing was better.

[Mystere]

Yeonne Greene, on 15 October 2016 - 07:21 PM, said:

Not a single MechWarrior game is a BattleTech game. They are all MechWarrior games.

Hmm. What does it say again on the upper left corner of this web page and copied below?

Edited by Mystere, 16 October 2016 - 12:22 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Mystere, on 16 October 2016 - 12:21 PM, said:

Hmm. What does it say again on the upper left corner of this web page and copied below?

MechWarrior is in bigger font.

I win.

[FupDup]

Mystere, on 16 October 2016 - 12:21 PM, said:

Hmm. What does it say again on the upper left corner of this web page and copied below?

I think that the reason for that is for licensing purposes. Didn't they add that around a similar time as the license renewal?

[Mystere]

Viktor Drake, on 16 October 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

... and Clan 2nd line Battlemechs are more powerful that 1st Line Omnimechs.

Edited by Mystere, 16 October 2016 - 12:37 PM.

[FupDup]

Mystere, on 16 October 2016 - 12:36 PM, said:

Ding! Ding! Ding!

"Second line" mechs beating Omnimechs is actually confirmed as a part of the canon lore.

Look at the stock designs like the Rifleman IIC, Locust IIC, Commando IIC, and so on. Compare them against things like the stock Summoner, Mist Lynx, or Kit Fox. The IIC's win.

Let's not even get into mechs like the Hellstar...

[Dark Jackal]

Gott mit uns!

[dervishx5]

FupDup, on 16 October 2016 - 12:39 PM, said:

"Second line" mechs beating Omnimechs is actually confirmed as a part of the canon lore.

Look at the stock designs like the Rifleman IIC, Locust IIC, Commando IIC, and so on. Compare them against things like the stock Summoner, Mist Lynx, or Kit Fox. The IIC's win.

Let's not even get into mechs like the Hellstar...

Well from a TT perspective, yeah, there's plenty of powerful clan Battlemechs. There are reasons omnimechs are considered superior (which you already know). Clan battlemechs can't carry battle armor or be refitted for the lightning warfare like omnimechs can.

But those two things aren't reflected in the game... so...

After running several megamek leagues I think I'd prefer running omnimech garrisons over battlemechs because of the flexibility they offer. But again that's a higher level of play we'll never see here so the clan Battlemech is usually going to be better thanks to PGI foresight.

Edited by dervishx5, 16 October 2016 - 12:56 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Mystere, on 16 October 2016 - 12:21 PM, said:

Hmm. What does it say again on the upper left corner of this web page and copied below?

This is literally the dumbest argument ever. It's content is derived from the BattleTech universe. Period. That doesn't mean it needs to align 100% with BattleTech. It's MechWarrior, that is how it has ALWAYS been. I don't know why people get so hung up on this, as if because its content is derived from Battletech means Clans should be completely overpowered as they were intended in TT/lore, and that if it is not a dumbed down slow paced game it's somehow not BattleTech because of how authors made battles drawn out in books. It's beyond stupid.

[dervishx5]

Gas Guzzler, on 16 October 2016 - 02:02 PM, said:

and that if it is not a dumbed down slow paced game it's somehow not BattleTech because of how authors made battles drawn out in books. It's beyond stupid.

When you take focus fire, tech level, and battle size into account (on par with MWO), Mechs actually die faster in TT than MWO.

But don't tell nobody.

[Gas Guzzler]

dervishx5, on 16 October 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

When you take focus fire, tech level, and battle size into account (on par with MWO), Mechs actually die faster in TT than MWO.

But don't tell nobody.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Mechs were unstoppable walking tanks in every rendition of BattleTech/MechWarrior aside from MWO/COD with Mechs.

/sarcasm

[dervishx5]

Gas Guzzler, on 16 October 2016 - 02:44 PM, said:

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Mechs were unstoppable walking tanks in every rendition of BattleTech/MechWarrior aside from MWO/COD with Mechs.

Yeah 'member when the ******* Vulture pilot in MW4 fought a 3 day battle against his Steiner opponents and there was lots of cheetos and cheap beer for all?

Get it right MWO. My lack of skills is your problem, not mine.

#ghostheatinifinite

[Gas Guzzler]

dervishx5, on 16 October 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

Yeah 'member when the ******* Vulture pilot in MW4 fought a 3 day battle against his Steiner opponents and there was lots of cheetos and cheap beer for all?

Get it right MWO. My lack of skills is your problem, not mine.

#ghostheatinifinite

It's inevitable. Everything's changed.

[Tarl Cabot]

My takeaway from the OP thread is that MWO has no real substance. Quick play is just that, quick play with no real substance, Clan and IS fighting on the same sides using the other's mechs. CW/FP has been an afterthought and setup in a way to not really entice the general player base. And communication within the game is barely there outside of combat.

Or to put it another way, MWO is more akin to the Microsoft Gaming Zone than the leagues that used MW as the combat engine. Even the three versions of MPBT had better non-VOIP in-game communication setups.

Basically, imho Mystere post is that this version of MWO has no real content/context, a minimal viable product.

[Mystere]

Gas Guzzler, on 16 October 2016 - 02:02 PM, said:

This is literally the dumbest argument ever. It's content is derived from the BattleTech universe. Period. That doesn't mean it needs to align 100% with BattleTech. It's MechWarrior, that is how it has ALWAYS been. I don't know why people get so hung up on this, as if because its content is derived from Battletech means Clans should be completely overpowered as they were intended in TT/lore, and that if it is not a dumbed down slow paced game it's somehow not BattleTech because of how authors made battles drawn out in books. It's beyond stupid.

Hmm, let's start this again:

Yeonne Greene, on 15 October 2016 - 07:21 PM, said:

Not a single MechWarrior game is a BattleTech game. They are all MechWarrior games.

Mystere, on 16 October 2016 - 12:21 PM, said:

Hmm. What does it say again on the upper left corner of this web page and copied below?

Who's the dumbest now?

Tarl Cabot, on 16 October 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:

My takeaway from the OP thread is that MWO has no real substance. Quick play is just that, quick play with no real substance, Clan and IS fighting on the same sides using the other's mechs. CW/FP has been an afterthought and setup in a way to not really entice the general player base. And communication within the game is barely there outside of combat.

Or to put it another way, MWO is more akin to the Microsoft Gaming Zone than the leagues that used MW as the combat engine. Even the three versions of MPBT had better non-VOIP in-game communication setups.

Basically, imho Mystere post is that this version of MWO has no real content/context, a minimal viable product.

Well at least I am relieved there are at least a few non-dumb people around.

Edited by Mystere, 16 October 2016 - 03:29 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Mystere, on 16 October 2016 - 03:27 PM, said:

Hmm, let's start this again:




Who's the dumbest now?

On the other hand, anybody can win an argument when she keeps flip-flopping the definition of "BattleTech."

[Zergling]

This thread is so freaking stupid.

Edited by Zergling, 16 October 2016 - 03:46 PM.

[Mystere]

Yeonne Greene, on 16 October 2016 - 03:42 PM, said:

On the other hand, anybody can win an argument when she keeps flip-flopping the definition of "BattleTech."

You're barking at the wrong tree.