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[Y E O N N E]

How? I'm never tripping the timer except when I accidentally kill a team mate...which is a very rare occurrence.

[Bandilly]

You're just playing bad, I've rarely tripped the 10 second timer.

I also try to avoid team damage, waiting for a clear shot or pulling my lasers up when someone walks into the beam.

The worst is when an enemy light is circling someone and the rest of that persons team murders their own dude trying to kill the light.

[Wintersdark]

meteorol, on 20 October 2016 - 03:12 AM, said:

I never got a 20min penalty. Ever.

I got a 1 minute penalty once, maybe twice. Never more.

Yeonne Greene, on 20 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:

How? I'm never tripping the timer except when I accidentally kill a team mate...which is a very rare occurrence.

I find if you kill a teammate with very little damage done (such as they're almost dead and a errant SRM/laser tick nicks them) you just get a very small penalty.

To get to 20 minutes, he has to be doing a LOT of tram damage in every single match.

That's extreme, and at the point where if people start reporting him, he's gonna get some quality time off.

Definitely at the point of griefing IMHO.

[Ssamout]

I've gotten the 20min penalty two times. Both was caused by servers disconnecting players left n right, and penalties kept stacking. With the new 'connecting' waiting room, it is a lot of times hard, next to impossible, to log back into the match in the time frame required to avoid intentional disconnect penalty.
One of these instances where I logged back into the match, we were losing bad, I managed to turn the tide, killed 5 enemies and got a disconnect penalty as a bonus. Lovely.

[Mechteric]

I'm pretty capable of watching my fire enough to never incur the penalty, as are many others. The only time I've gotten a penalty was for a disconnect after my PC crashed. But it was only for like a couple minutes.

[TercieI]

I feel like I do too much team damage and I've never gotten past 10 min and that only 2-3 times. L2watchuyourfire.

[Mawai]

grievoussmaug, on 20 October 2016 - 02:27 AM, said:

no i get 20 mins because i keep getting the penalty over and over again within the 4 hour period

... but to do that you have to be killing your team mates or doing 60 ot 70 damage to your own team every match. In a typical game, I might do anywhere from zero to twenty points to my own team if someone happens to step in front of me or they get caught by splatter. I have only once received the penalty when a damaged team mate walked into my line of fire just as I fired and died (I felt bad but there wasn't anything I could do since the shot was on the way).

If you are doing so much damage to your own team to constantly incur this penalty then I think you need to look at not firing though your team mates ... unless you are color blind and have trouble distinguishing the red doritos that identify enemy mechs? Or you are constantly using advanced zoom and not paying attention to anyone around you?

Or ... as others have mentioned ... do you see maps you don't like to play and intentionally disconnect? That will add up to login time penalties far faster than team damage.

Edited by Mawai, 20 October 2016 - 05:37 AM.

[Mawai]

Willard Phule, on 20 October 2016 - 04:04 AM, said:

NO kidding! Penalties are completely unfair for guys that can't unzoom or figure out which triangles are the enemy.

I mean, sure it would make sense if people were separated by skill or something, but with since they added FW's matchmaker to QP, it just makes it harder for new people to figure out what they're doing.

Just get rid of FF altogether.

They did NOT add the non-existant FW matchmaker to QP ... unless you have a citation on that?

As far as I know, the FW matchmaker just throws whoever is available at whoever else is available with no balance for team vs. solo or pilot skill. (Which is part of why FW isn't very popular ...)

... though I am guessing sarcasm ... but sarcasm doesn't work on the forums and folks are likely to take your statement on the matchmaker as fact

Edited by Mawai, 20 October 2016 - 05:39 AM.

[Nerokar]

What? This game has FF penalties? Where?! And how do people get them? I fired once one full alpha with 2x c UAC10 and 2x cUAC5 into mates back, because he jumped in my Line of fire and I my reaction was to slow after 1 or 6 beer (do not drink and pilot)... things exploded... no penalty for me...

Or is teamfire "ok" when engaged with enemy?

[Hunka Junk]

The guy is T1 and been here since 2012.

[Peter2k]

Wintersdark, on 20 October 2016 - 05:11 AM, said:

I got a 1 minute penalty once, maybe twice. Never more.

I find if you kill a teammate with very little damage done (such as they're almost dead and a errant SRM/laser tick nicks them) you just get a very small penalty.

To get to 20 minutes, he has to be doing a LOT of tram damage in every single match.

That's extreme, and at the point where if people start reporting him, he's gonna get some quality time off.

Definitely at the point of griefing IMHO.

I actually wondering if I should bother Russ about such a thread
A tier 1 player that thinks the team damage penalty is too harsh
Maybe Russ would start thinking of coming up with a better formula for determining skill

Sigh
If only someone would listen

[GrimRiver]

You have to do at least 70 team damage total in a match to incur penalties.

I've only ever gotten 1 penalty and that was from my internet going out due to a storm.

I damaged teammates up 30 points(not on purpose) sometimes when they don't look out where they're going and they run into my LOS while I'm firing and I've never gotten a penalty for it.

Edited by GrimRiver, 20 October 2016 - 07:15 AM.

[Mole]

Only accidentally tripped the penalty system when I accidentally get a TK or my game crashes in the middle of a match and I can't get reconnected in time. Never done enough team damage to trip the timer. If you're having a problem with it, it sounds like an issue on your end. Trigger discipline, son.

[Plastic Guru]

Ssamout, on 20 October 2016 - 05:14 AM, said:

I've gotten the 20min penalty two times. Both was caused by servers disconnecting players left n right, and penalties kept
One of these instances where I logged back into the match, we were losing bad, I managed to turn the tide, killed 5 enemies and got a disconnect penalty as a bonus. Lovely.

I think this was changed. When they first started this I was on steam, which was unstable on my computer, and kept dropping sync. At first I'd just go to the home screen and take my 2 minute penalty. Then I learned you can boot right back in....did that many times and I never got a penalty once I rejoined.
After about 4 weeks of this I downloaded the MWO (non steam) and haven't had but maybe one or two since. Booted right back into the mech that was already in the match- no penalties.

Plastic Guru

[Ssamout]

Plastic Guru, on 20 October 2016 - 07:38 AM, said:

I think this was changed. When they first started this I was on steam, which was unstable on my computer, and kept dropping sync. At first I'd just go to the home screen and take my 2 minute penalty. Then I learned you can boot right back in....did that many times and I never got a penalty once I rejoined.
After about 4 weeks of this I downloaded the MWO (non steam) and haven't had but maybe one or two since. Booted right back into the mech that was already in the match- no penalties.

Plastic Guru

For me the steam version has been a lot more stable than the standalone that I used since open beta. Also the patches come 10-50x faster than on the standalone.

And the issue hasn't changed, unless they have removed the disconnect penalty or given few more minutes for rejoining, havent read the notes for a long time.

[DrSaphron]

THe problem isn't the penalty system, IT'S you! If you are getting multiple 20 minute time-outs you are either incredibly terrible or are a griefer! After the second 20 min time-out you should get a 24 hour ban, get a 24 hour ban 3 times in 7 days and it's bumped up to a 7 day ban, after that it's perma-ban because you're just a dirty griefer!!!

[BlueFlames]

grievoussmaug, on 20 October 2016 - 02:27 AM, said:

no i get 20 mins because i keep getting the penalty over and over again within the 4 hour period

You're repeatedly doing something bad, getting penalized for it, and whining about the penalty. Your teammates, meanwhile, are angry about you shooting them in the back.

Stop shooting your teammates.

Sweet Christ, why does this need to be explained to anybody? Smartest game in eSpurts.

[C E Dwyer]

See OP this is what happens when you time your whine post badly.

If your going to complain about the mechanic's of the game, because of stupid thing you do, then you need to pick a day like the day they patch E.D into the game, when the hate for P.G.I will be like a chapter from Revelations.

Never, ever, do it, the week after a popular mech is launched and a despised map is made a lot better.

It's what's called a slow news day, when kittens make the national headlines.

[Kuritaclan]

Wintersdark, on 20 October 2016 - 02:49 AM, said:

grievoussmaug, on 20 October 2016 - 02:11 AM, said:

The match penalty system is far too harsh. If i do more than 6 team damage, i incur the penalty. Every day im tripping the 20min timer multiple times because of accidental team damage. Not my fault that people dont watch where they are going and walk into fire. Seriously PGI, loosen up the damn penalties. its really easy to do 6pts of team damage...

note how nobody else in this thread has this problem. It's just you.

These penalties protect us from YOU.

Well the only protection would be playing in T4. Unnecessary to say what i think of a T1 guy telling in the forums he trigger hard on the match penalty system. Just another nail in the tier system.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Why is it that players who gripe about people running across their firing lane never stop to consider that perhaps they should be closer to cover so other players are able to go around them? I constantly see bad heavies and assaults 50m or more back from the corner, or all the way up against the opposite wall in the tunnel, or similarly positioned so that nobody can get through without crossing their damage puke... and more often than not pull up and cut loose even when others are already exposed, forcing them to take FF in order to get back under cover. Do you honestly believe anybody looks at your firing lane and thinks "golly gee, I gotta get me some of that"? People run through your fire consistently because you aren't leaving them a better option. Bigs who position well do not incur FF penalties, because people do not have to cross their firing lanes to get where they need to be. If there is already someone at the corner, and you open up a firing lane behind them, then the onus is completely on you to watch where you're shooting.

Or you could, y'know use your words and let your team know what you're doing, or ask them to make room for you... the possibilities are truly endless. Communication is OP.

If you are getting penalized on a regular basis, then you are bad and you should feel bad. If you consistently do more than a handful of points of FF, then you are doing something wrong and need to fix it. Your position is bad, or your aim is bad, or you are just inconsiderate and careless... and all you need to do to stop getting FF penalties is either stop driving like a baked potato, else take your booger hook off the bang switch when the dorito ain't red. This is not rocket science. I'm bloody terrible in bigs, and I've never gotten put on time-out even once.

PGI needs to dial up the penalty duration, not turn it down, and the trigger threshold is fine where it is.