45 replies to this topic

[CK16]

It will have hit boxes in torso like the TBR and arms like the Ebon Jag don't see many calling those bad cause of hit boxes

[Bandilly]

Metus regem, on 07 November 2016 - 09:19 AM, said:

The funny thing is, at 85t it would actually have more pod space, than the 90t version does....

4t Endo Steel vs 4.5t endo steel chassis
both with 13t of FF armour (closer to max on the 85t)
340xl vs 360xl (both give you a 400 engine cap, proven by the MAD-IIC with it's stock 340xl)
1t JJ's vs 2t JJ's...

Just 5t, makes it so much better...

Hence I await the arrival of my 85t MAD-IIC with baited breath. One of the jumpy ones even has ballistic slots.

[CK16]

If we get geometry like how Shimmering drew it up...I wouldn't complain about it

Edited by CK16, 07 November 2016 - 11:01 AM.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

CK16, on 07 November 2016 - 10:56 AM, said:

It will have hit boxes in torso like the TBR and arms like the Ebon Jag don't see many calling those bad cause of hit boxes

Many claimed the timberwolf and kodiak would be DOA before release.

Its like a tradition.

[Bombast]

CK16, on 07 November 2016 - 10:56 AM, said:

It will have hit boxes in torso like the TBR and arms like the Ebon Jag don't see many calling those bad cause of hit boxes

The Mad Cat had it's missile launchers sunk into it's chest, rather then the original 'Catapult Ears.'

And I guess it's just my personal opinion, but I think it looks like crap because of it. So I maintain that 'mutilating' the original art is the only way to fix it's hitboxes.

Of course, it is art, so everyone's free to disagree with me. It's all subjective.

[CK16]

Why I wish they would make missile boxes that stick off the mech have their own hit box and health. You know like off MW4? It does suck that the missiles can not be ran on a TBR just cause they are giant shoot here targets. But that's a different story.

[Coralld]

Battlemaster56, on 07 November 2016 - 08:43 AM, said:

Don't care, if they gonna release Mad Cat MKII I'll still buy because it's a child of the Timberwolf and I'll have an excuse to fit some stupid build on a 90 ton mech.



But this I'll truly chuck cash at my screen for.

That's the Savage Wolf or Mad Cat MKIV. It doesn't show up until 3136 and is a 75t Heavy.

[Metus regem]

I Zeratul I, on 07 November 2016 - 11:12 AM, said:

Many claimed the timberwolf and kodiak would be DOA before release.

Its like a tradition.

And I claimed the Kodiak would brake the game...

[CK16]

Metus regem, on 07 November 2016 - 11:27 AM, said:

And I claimed the Kodiak would brake the game...

It didn't though (well some might say the KDK-3 but the rest are just fine)

Edited by CK16, 07 November 2016 - 11:31 AM.

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 07 November 2016 - 11:31 AM, said:

It didn't though (well some might say the KDK-3 but the rest are just fine)

Still a Kodiak, and it was a Kodiak that highlighted a loop hole with the UAC/10, that got crushed, hard. Funny no-one called the quad UAC/10 Dire Wolf OP....

[RestosIII]

Did someone mention the Mad Cat Mk II?

[process]

Metus regem, on 07 November 2016 - 11:34 AM, said:

Still a Kodiak, and it was a Kodiak that highlighted a loop hole with the UAC/10, that got crushed, hard. Funny no-one called the quad UAC/10 Dire Wolf OP....

6x UAC5 was always more popular. Plus, the Dire was stuck with that XL 300 engine.

[Bombast]

RestosIII, on 07 November 2016 - 12:54 PM, said:

Did someone mention the Mad Cat Mk II?

Spoiler

[RestosIII]

Bombast, on 07 November 2016 - 01:14 PM, said:

[Metus regem]

process, on 07 November 2016 - 01:11 PM, said:

6x UAC5 was always more popular. Plus, the Dire was stuck with that XL 300 engine.

Having had run both, the Hex-UAC/5 was not a great build... good for suppression, not great for killing. the Quad-UAC/10 killed very, very well, and with such low ghost heat at the time, you could double tap all four for relatively minor heat. Not so much thanks for the Kodiak 3....

[The6thMessenger]

N0ni, on 07 November 2016 - 07:32 AM, said:

It is a battlemech after all.

I did not know that.

[Metus regem]

The6thMessenger, on 07 November 2016 - 02:45 PM, said:

I did not know that.

MW4 did some bad, bad things....

Like letting people think mechs like the Bushwacker and Mad Cat Mk. II were omni's.... And MekTek didn't help by making things like the Black Lanner have a 360 degree torso twist....

Anyways, as CK has seen before, this is a re-worked Mad Cat Mk. II as an efficient Omni-mech (a true successor to the Timber Wolf)

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk II (Alpha Wolf) Alpha Wolf

Mass: 85 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3061
Cost: 23,234,073 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,069

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 340 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
44.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 130 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 340 13.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 27 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 18 27
L/R Torso (rear) 9
L/R Arm 14 26
L/R Leg 18 33



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Base Cost: 23,234,073
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A BV2: 1,069

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 27,102,885
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 3,175

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jumping MP: 3 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
LRM-10 RT 4 1 2.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
LRM-10 LT 4 1 2.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
Gauss Rifle RA 1 6 12.00
Gauss Rifle LA 1 6 12.00
@LRM-10 (Artemis) (12) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-10 (Artemis) (12) LT - 1 1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) RA - 2 2.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 32
4/2j 7 7 5 0 4 1 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 2


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Alpha Cost: 26,207,948
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,664

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 19(38) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ATM-9 RT 6 4 5.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
2 Large Pulse Lasers RA 20 4 12.00
2 Large Pulse Lasers LA 20 4 12.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) RT - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 1

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 27
4 7 6 5 0 4 2 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Bravo Cost: 27,378,073
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,808

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jumping MP: 4 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 1 RT 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SRM-6 RT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 5 5.00
SRM-6 LT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
Ultra AC/10 RA 3 4 10.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (30) LT - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) RA - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 2

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 28
4j 6 6 3 0 4 3 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Charlie Cost: 27,449,760
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,553

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jumping MP: 3 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Pulse Laser RT 4 1 2.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Medium Pulse Laser LT 4 1 2.00
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
LB 10-X AC RA 2 5 10.00
LB 10-X AC LA 2 5 10.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (20) RA - 2 2.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10) RA - 1 1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (20) LA - 2 2.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 26
4/2j 5 5 3 0 4 0 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 2, FLK 1/1/1

[The6thMessenger]

Metus regem, on 07 November 2016 - 03:04 PM, said:

MW4 did some bad, bad things....

Like letting people think mechs like the Bushwacker and Mad Cat Mk. II were omni's.... And MekTek didn't help by making things like the Black Lanner have a 360 degree torso twist....

Anyways, as CK has seen before, this is a re-worked Mad Cat Mk. II as an efficient Omni-mech (a true successor to the Timber Wolf)

Spoiler

Mad Cat Mk II (Alpha Wolf) Alpha Wolf

Mass: 85 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped Omnimech
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3061
Cost: 23,234,073 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,069

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 340 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
44.0 tons of pod space.
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 130 points 4.50
Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 340 13.50
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Gyro: Standard 4.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 249 13.00
Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 27 40
Center Torso (rear) 10
L/R Torso 18 27
L/R Torso (rear) 9
L/R Arm 14 26
L/R Leg 18 33



================================================================================
Loadout Name: Base Cost: 23,234,073
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A BV2: 1,069

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Prime Cost: 27,102,885
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 3,175

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jumping MP: 3 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 ER Medium Lasers RT 10 2 2.00
LRM-10 RT 4 1 2.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
LRM-10 LT 4 1 2.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
Gauss Rifle RA 1 6 12.00
Gauss Rifle LA 1 6 12.00
@LRM-10 (Artemis) (12) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-10 (Artemis) (12) LT - 1 1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) RA - 2 2.00
@Gauss Rifle (16) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 32
4/2j 7 7 5 0 4 1 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 2


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Alpha Cost: 26,207,948
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,664

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 19(38) 6.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA
CASE Locations: LT, RT 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ATM-9 RT 6 4 5.00
ATM-9 LT 6 4 5.00
2 Large Pulse Lasers RA 20 4 12.00
2 Large Pulse Lasers LA 20 4 12.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) RT - 2 2.00
@ATM-9 (HE) (14) LT - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 1

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 27
4 7 6 5 0 4 2 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Bravo Cost: 27,378,073
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,808

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jumping MP: 4 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 2 LT, 1 RT 4.00
CASE Locations: LT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SRM-6 RT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Targeting Computer RT - 5 5.00
SRM-6 LT 4 1 1.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
2 ER Medium Lasers LT 10 2 2.00
Ultra AC/10 RA 3 4 10.00
ER Medium Laser RA 5 1 1.00
Ultra AC/10 LA 3 4 10.00
ER Medium Laser LA 5 1 1.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (30) LT - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) RA - 2 2.00
@Ultra AC/10 (20) LA - 2 2.00
Free Critical Slots: 2

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 28
4j 6 6 3 0 4 3 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA


================================================================================
Loadout Name: Charlie Cost: 27,449,760
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A BV2: 2,553

Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jumping MP: 3 (Standard)
Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT 3.00
CASE Locations: LT, RT, LA, RA 0.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA R: SH+UA

Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Pulse Laser RT 4 1 2.00
LRM-15 RT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS RT - 1 1.00
Medium Pulse Laser LT 4 1 2.00
LRM-15 LT 5 2 3.50
Artemis IV FCS LT - 1 1.00
LB 10-X AC RA 2 5 10.00
LB 10-X AC LA 2 5 10.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) RT - 1 1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (8) LT - 1 1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (20) RA - 2 2.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10) RA - 1 1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (20) LA - 2 2.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10) LA - 1 1.00
Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 8 Points: 26
4/2j 5 5 3 0 4 0 Structure: 5
Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 2, FLK 1/1/1

Lol, i didn't even played MW4 -- i just plain didn't know. I just figured that since it's TBR's bigger brother, and DWF's smaller brother, it's an Omnimech too.

Who knows though, maybe PGI would go derp and make Mad Cat MKII an omnimech in the game.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 07 November 2016 - 03:40 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

CK16, on 07 November 2016 - 10:56 AM, said:

It will have hit boxes in torso like the TBR and arms like the Ebon Jag don't see many calling those bad cause of hit boxes

The TBR doesn't suffer from hit boxes because of how they did the missile boxes and because you can't use the mech without them. As for the Ebon Jag, the wide nature is actually does hold it back from being top tier like the Timby, if it wasn't so wide (and had rough hitboxes) it would probably be used over the Warhammer. The most meta builds on the Ebon Jag avoid using anything in the arms which is why it does so well, with assaults, especially this particular one, those wide arms when you are forced to use both will make this mech worse off than some people seem to think.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 07 November 2016 - 04:03 PM.

[RestosIII]

The6thMessenger, on 07 November 2016 - 03:37 PM, said:

Who knows though, maybe PGI would go derp and make Mad Cat MKII an omnimech in the game.

Do you realize how much salt PGI would get from me alone if they did that? I might actually put together the money to go to the PGI headquarters personally to dump salt containers all over every single computer in that building if that were to ever happen.