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[Juodas Varnas]

Reminds me of this:


The clanmechs with their tiny, tiny hands is the funniest thing ever.
No wonder they don't like melee combat.

[Vellron2005]

I just don't see the linbeacker EVER beeing better than a Timberwolf.. unless there's an "S" variant with jumpjets, or ECM.. otherwise, the Timby still has better slots, JJ's and more tonnage..

Linebacker is only slightly faster..

But let's wait and see.. I'll probably pick up a linebacker when its out for cbills..

[meteorol]

Vellron2005, on 08 November 2016 - 01:38 AM, said:

I just don't see the linbeacker EVER beeing better than a Timberwolf.. unless there's an "S" variant with jumpjets, or ECM.. otherwise, the Timby still has better slots, JJ's and more tonnage..

Linebacker is only slightly faster..

But let's wait and see.. I'll probably pick up a linebacker when its out for cbills..

It never had a shot at being better than a TW. Question has always been just how bad it will be. Range being "average mech at best" to "pretty terrible". The 3D model seems like it threw it pretty far Info terrible territory.

Edited by meteorol, 08 November 2016 - 02:11 AM.

[Clownwarlord]

Juodas Varnas, on 08 November 2016 - 12:29 AM, said:

Reminds me of this:


The clanmechs with their tiny, tiny hands is the funniest thing ever.
No wonder they don't like melee combat.

Hatchet Man took out an entire Jade Falcon force on a planet. Inner Sphere melee would balance this game out.

[MeiSooHaityu]

It kind of looks like a tiny Direwolf to me. Meh.

[C E Dwyer]

Thunderbirds are go!

[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

i like fast underdog laser nukers

i just hope that the hero has even some uac-quirks,otherwise everyone is just going to run it with 4 ml gauss or 1 lpl 4 ml laserboat

[FupDup]

Vellron2005, on 08 November 2016 - 01:38 AM, said:

I just don't see the linbeacker EVER beeing better than a Timberwolf.. unless there's an "S" variant with jumpjets, or ECM.. otherwise, the Timby still has better slots, JJ's and more tonnage..

Linebacker is only slightly faster..

But let's wait and see.. I'll probably pick up a linebacker when its out for cbills..

Why would it be? It was deliberately designed to be inefficient and derpy for its weight class. The only two aspects of the LB that were ever better than the TBR were being cheaper to buy with C-Bills and cheaper to use for BattleValue.

In terms of combat performance, however, it was always inferior and always will be, because it's hardlocked into having an engine way too large for a 65-tonner.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

FupDup, on 08 November 2016 - 12:30 PM, said:

The only two aspects of the LB that were ever better than the TBR were being cheaper to buy with C-Bills and cheaper to use for BattleValue.

Bolded the important part that made the LB actually more worthwhile in TT, at least for BV matched scenarios/battles.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 08 November 2016 - 12:33 PM.

[Deathlike]

I'm pretty sure adding the missing tagline "Making Clanners Great Again" will boost votes sales.

[Gas Guzzler]

Yeah the geometry doesn't look too promising but at least we get some good shoulder mounts...

Hopefully it will get some worthwhile quirks?

[Metus regem]

Well looks like I called it being underwhelming, when it was first being hinted at....

[Gas Guzzler]

FupDup, on 08 November 2016 - 12:30 PM, said:

The only two aspects of the LB that are better than the TBR are being marginally cheaper to buy with C-Bills and will have 8/8 Omni-pod set quirks.

FTFY.

Hurray!

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 08 November 2016 - 12:54 PM.

[Bandilly]

The original artwork was a lean mean linebacker arms tucked in and ready to charge, what we got is a fat *** (word for a person's posterior) lineman.

Edited by Bandilly, 08 November 2016 - 12:56 PM.

[Jables McBarty]

Call me ignorant, but why is it being constantly compared to the 75t TBR?

Shouldn't the comparisons be to the 65t HBR and EBJ, or branching out to the 60t MDD and 70t SMN?

(and yes, I see a smaller DWF too)

EDIT:

I've got no dog in this fight, but with max armor:

SMN (70t): 33 slots, 20.5 tons free
EBJ (65t): 33 slots, 28.5 tons free
HBR (65t): 46 slots, 23 tons free
MDD (60t): 40 slots, 26 tons free

Edited by Jables McBarty, 08 November 2016 - 01:13 PM.

[FupDup]

Jables McBarty, on 08 November 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

Call me ignorant, but why is it being constantly compared to the 75t TBR?

Shouldn't the comparisons be to the 65t HBR and EBJ, or branching out to the 60t MDD and 70t SMN?

(and yes, I see a smaller DWF too)

Well, two reasons.

1. In the lore, it was supposedly a modernized replacement for the TBR that could keep up with faster mechs in running battles.

2. Because in MWO, higher tonnage isn't supposed to be instant superiority in all categories. Bigger isn't supposed to be better in this game (but unfortunately it is in many cases).

[Jables McBarty]

FupDup, on 08 November 2016 - 01:11 PM, said:

2. Because in MWO, higher tonnage isn't supposed to be instant superiority in all categories. Bigger isn't supposed to be better in this game (but unfortunately it is in many cases).

Lol, operative word here.

Given that Group Queue and FW/CW are based around dropdeck tonnage, it seems that tonnage is a better way to compare. Just sayin.

[FupDup]

Jables McBarty, on 08 November 2016 - 01:16 PM, said:

Lol, operative word here.

Given that Group Queue and FW/CW are based around dropdeck tonnage, it seems that tonnage is a better way to compare. Just sayin.

Dropdeck tonnage is PGI's way of trying to bandaid the fact that bigger ends up being better in many cases. It's a symptom of the disease.

It doesn't actually fix things though, and leads to issues like some mechs being shafted (e.g. Gargoyle and Summoner) and leading people to just spam mechs in the 50-75 tons "sweet spot" range.

Edited by FupDup, 08 November 2016 - 01:20 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Jables McBarty, on 08 November 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

Call me ignorant, but why is it being constantly compared to the 75t TBR?

Shouldn't the comparisons be to the 65t HBR and EBJ, or branching out to the 60t MDD and 70t SMN?

(and yes, I see a smaller DWF too)

EDIT:

I've got no dog in this fight, but with max armor:

SMN (70t): 33 slots, 20.5 tons free
EBJ (65t): 33 slots, 28.5 tons free
HBR (65t): 46 slots, 23 tons free
MDD (60t): 40 slots, 26 tons free

In the solo queue though, a Timber Wolf and Linebacker will be treated the same in terms of the Matchmaker, as would say a Night Gyr and a Mad Dog, soo there has to be some balance there.

[Pariah Devalis]

http://mwomercs.com/...ebacker-release