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#1 Digous

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 11:44 AM

So... just ran the new patch, and my 6x CUAC5 Direwolf is now useless.

Heat is almost like laser (edited: Vomit Alpha), you cannot keep DPS, specially on hotter maps.

Great, now DW is officially dead and buried.

Edited by Digous, 15 November 2016 - 11:45 AM.


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 11:48 AM

Good, dakka builds ran too cool to begin with!


death to boating!

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 11:49 AM

View PostDigous, on 15 November 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

So... just ran the new patch, and my 6x CUAC5 Direwolf is now useless.

Heat is almost like laser, you cannot keep DPS, specially on hotter maps.

Great, now DW is officially dead and buried.


6xUAC5 was pretty hot before due to ghost heat (which just got much worse due to it being a multiplier and the base heat going up), switch to 3xUAC5 + 2xUAC10, seems perfectly manageable in testing grounds.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 15 November 2016 - 11:49 AM.


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 11:51 AM

Oh ****, patch went through. Time to test the Streak Cat!

Also, Ultra-boating needed a bit of a nerf, it seems. I suspect that people's fears about single Ultras now being completely useless though may be true. Should have linked jam chance with the number of Ultras, somehow.

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 12:03 PM

View PostWidowmaker1981, on 15 November 2016 - 11:49 AM, said:


6xUAC5 was pretty hot before due to ghost heat (which just got much worse due to it being a multiplier and the base heat going up), switch to 3xUAC5 + 2xUAC10, seems perfectly manageable in testing grounds.



But it was very manageable until you double tap!

#6 Bombast

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 12:08 PM

Well, just gave the ol' Quad AC/2 Jager a test run. And it can fire for days!

3050 Dakka may be dead, but 3025 Dakka is back with a vengeance! What's next, disco?

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 12:09 PM

View PostBombast, on 15 November 2016 - 11:51 AM, said:

Oh ****, patch went through. Time to test the Streak Cat!

Also, Ultra-boating needed a bit of a nerf, it seems. I suspect that people's fears about single Ultras now being completely useless though may be true. Should have linked jam chance with the number of Ultras, somehow.


This. So much this.

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 12:20 PM

View PostBombast, on 15 November 2016 - 11:51 AM, said:

Oh ****, patch went through. Time to test the Streak Cat!

Also, Ultra-boating needed a bit of a nerf, it seems. I suspect that people's fears about single Ultras now being completely useless though may be true. Should have linked jam chance with the number of Ultras, somehow.



Yeah, maybe. I used to alpha about forever with the 6x UAC5, as long as i din't double tap. Not it shuts down after about 11 shots without double tap on a map like crimson strait.

Such a shame.

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 12:36 PM

View PostWidowmaker1981, on 15 November 2016 - 11:49 AM, said:


6xUAC5 was pretty hot before due to ghost heat (which just got much worse due to it being a multiplier and the base heat going up), switch to 3xUAC5 + 2xUAC10, seems perfectly manageable in testing grounds.


9-10 second cUAC10 jam times aside.


RNGeesus is a fickle beast

#10 B L O O D W I T C H

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 12:37 PM

View PostDigous, on 15 November 2016 - 12:20 PM, said:



Yeah, maybe. I used to alpha about forever with the 6x UAC5, as long as i din't double tap. Not it shuts down after about 11 shots without double tap on a map like crimson strait.

Such a shame.


that's over 300 damage, duuh

#11 Gas Guzzler

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 01:03 PM

View PostBombast, on 15 November 2016 - 11:51 AM, said:

Should have linked jam chance with the number of Ultras, somehow.


Lol.

Ghost jam.

#12 Livestick

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 01:34 PM

Dakka is fine. I took my dakka bear out to test it and while it was slightly hotter than before it was definitely still manageable with good fire discipline. Didn't even notice the difference with the jam chance. So yeah. Dakka is still fine.

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 01:40 PM

View PostGas Guzzler, on 15 November 2016 - 01:03 PM, said:


Lol.

Ghost jam.


In the current clime, it actually makes sense. In a way. sort of.

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 02:26 PM

x4 isUAC5 (effectively x8 AC5) is still colder than x6 isAC2's. I see no problem.

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 03:08 PM

View PostLivestick, on 15 November 2016 - 01:34 PM, said:

Dakka is fine. I took my dakka bear out to test it and while it was slightly hotter than before it was definitely still manageable with good fire discipline. Didn't even notice the difference with the jam chance. So yeah. Dakka is still fine.


I can't play it yet, so can't test, but this was my fear, The blanket UAC nerfs, designed to address boating, doesn't address boating. Instead, I suspect it will nerf the 1-2 UAC carriers instead - which IMO, was never a problem in MWO.

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 03:13 PM

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#17 LT. HARDCASE

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 03:57 PM

View PostDigous, on 15 November 2016 - 12:20 PM, said:

Yeah, maybe. I used to alpha about forever with the 6x UAC5, as long as i din't double tap. Not it shuts down after about 11 shots without double tap on a map like crimson strait. Such a shame.


330 damage before overheat isn't enough?

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 04:15 PM

View PostBombast, on 15 November 2016 - 11:51 AM, said:

Oh ****, patch went through. Time to test the Streak Cat!

Also, Ultra-boating needed a bit of a nerf, it seems. I suspect that people's fears about single Ultras now being completely useless though may be true. Should have linked jam chance with the number of Ultras, somehow.


Yes, but the uselessness of most single weapons compared to boating is a general MWO problem. Which should be addressed, sure, but it is completely independent of weapon balance for the particular weapons. There UAC5s and 10s were just better than their concurrents and now they are less. Which is good.

#19 RestosIII

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 04:17 PM

Do I think the jam changes were unnecessary and unwarranted? Yes. Do I think dakka is dead because "Oh no, it's slightly hotter!", no. Complaining about the heat difference is stupid.

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 04:28 PM

Oh nooooes!

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