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[MovinTarget]

DGTLDaemon, on 20 November 2016 - 11:27 PM, said:

So screw this football theme. And screw the "Hero" part, too. Just give us ANY Clan mech as an alternative reward. Not special, not hero, not even champion - just any random Clan mech, so that both tech bases are equally represented as event rewards. A regular Hunchback IIC would do nicely, for example, as it is the direct counterpart of the Grid Iron.

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Except we don't get to make the rules or demands. We can make requests, and if you feel spurned move along.

So.

Assuming that they did give a clan mech instead....

Would you prefer a mist lynx or a kit fox? B/c thats about the value of a IS mech if you want to be "fair"

[DGTLDaemon]

MovinTarget, on 21 November 2016 - 05:06 AM, said:

So.

Assuming that they did give a clan mech instead....

Would you prefer a mist lynx or a kit fox? B/c thats about the value of a IS mech if you want to be "fair"

Actually, either would do. I don't own either of those mechs, so why not take one for a spin, and see if I can actually make it work? It's still better than having a Grid Iron trophy just nailed to my wall...

And by the way, remember that previous "Nova-Vember" challenge? Initially it was lopsided, too, but when the players rightfully pointed out that it was biased towards the Clans, it took PGI mere minutes to recognize their mistake and add an alternative challenge component for the IS. Now this Kerensky Bowl has been running for a few days already, but no one gives a sh*t about correcting the IS-biased reward. Shows you what PGI really think of the Clan portion of their player base...

Edited by DGTLDaemon, 21 November 2016 - 05:23 AM.

[Eregion]

martian, on 21 November 2016 - 03:02 AM, said:

Seriously?

So you will have two Hero 'Mechs - you can build one GI with Gauss Rifle and the other one with AC-20. Problem solved.


What about Mechbays prizes? And Premium colours? And Cockpit Items? And Champion Mechs?

Are you going to ask for some special rewards for those things too? And are you really going to stop spending on MWO because PGI might - in some indefinite future - make one of those things or some Hero Mech reward in some possible future challenge?

To give prizes that you could only acquire by spending real money is a nice touch, in every F2P game, by every F2P developer.

Having that same F2P developer lacking an "alternative prize" model, where customers can feel safe to spend money and don't have to regret it, is a point of possible discussion.

To say otherwise is not rationale.

[MovinTarget]

DGTLDaemon, on 21 November 2016 - 05:11 AM, said:

Actually, either would do. I don't own either of those mechs, so why not take one for a spin, and see if I can actually make it work? It's still better than having a Grid Iron trophy just nailed to my wall...

And by the way, remember that previous "Nova-Vember" challenge? Initially it was lopsided, too, but when the players rightfully pointed out that it was biased towards the Clans, it took PGI mere minutes to recognize their mistake and add an alternative challenge component for the IS. Now this Kerensky Bowl has been running for a few days already, but no one gives a sh*t about correcting the IS-biased reward. Shows you what PGI really think of the Clan portion of their player base...

But it resolves nothing. *you* don't have either so it it would suit *you*.

Here's the thing. I own all of them. There is very little pgi could offer of their existing mechs that i don't own. Yet, mysteriously i don't feel the need to demand an option that caters specifically to me.

Further, there are events throughput the year, even hypothetically rewards one playerset and somehow offends another. Have you ever considered that if taking the whole year into consideration might not be a more rational and realistic approach instead of only whining about the current event?

Not every event will cater to you, or anyone else for that matter, you might need to cpme to grips with that before venturing into the real world...

Geez, i hope MWO is the only place where people complain about the free stuff they are given...

[DGTLDaemon]

MovinTarget, on 21 November 2016 - 05:33 AM, said:

But it resolves nothing. *you* don't have either so it it would suit *you*.

Incorrect. I stated above that I would be happy with ANY Clan mech as an alternative reward, regardless of whether I own it or not. It's a matter of principle: we can't demand specific rewards, but we can and should demand that rewards be fair to all parties involved. The current reward for this event is unfair, because one side of the conflict gets a playable mech (even though it was nerfed since the original release) with a 30% C-Bill boost, and the other side gets... well, a free mechbay with some cash at best, and a trophy on the wall at worst.

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Here's the thing. I own all of them. There is very little pgi could offer of their existing mechs that i don't own. Yet, mysteriously i don't feel the need to demand an option that caters specifically to me.

So I am the only Clan loyalist player in the game? Jeez, then I better shut up and stop "demanding" anything.

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Further, there are events throughput the year, even hypothetically rewards one playerset and somehow offends another. Have you ever considered that if taking the whole year into consideration might not be a more rational and realistic approach instead of only whining about the current event?

And that's actually the worst part I'll repeat myself: throughout this year, there were a total of THREE occasions (incliding the current event) when special mech variants with a 30% C-Bill boost were given out by PGI for free for general, non-faction-specific achievements. All of them were IS mechs. The only way to get a Clan mech with a C-Bill boost was to purchase specific mechpacks under the loyalty program. 'Nuff said.

[C E Dwyer]

MovinTarget, on 21 November 2016 - 05:33 AM, said:

But it resolves nothing. *you* don't have either so it it would suit *you*.

Here's the thing. I own all of them. There is very little pgi could offer of their existing mechs that i don't own. Yet, mysteriously i don't feel the need to demand an option that caters specifically to me.

Further, there are events throughput the year, even hypothetically rewards one playerset and somehow offends another. Have you ever considered that if taking the whole year into consideration might not be a more rational and realistic approach instead of only whining about the current event?

Not every event will cater to you, or anyone else for that matter, you might need to cpme to grips with that before venturing into the real world...

Geez, i hope MWO is the only place where people complain about the free stuff they are given...

Sadly yes, many M.W.O players have proven to be the most greedy, ungrateful, grasping, whining, I've ever been associated with, I've never seen any other community act in such a selfish entitled way than here.

That said, we are also in the company of many selfless, generous, and decent people. I can attribute this to the three Night Gyr, gifted to me by Bud Crue, who gave them to me simply because he liked a post I wrote, this is also something I've not encountered in any other gaming community, done at their own expense.

I chose to listen to the good part of the community, and do my best to ignore, for the most part, those that deserve to be forgotten.

[TercieI]

Aramuside, on 21 November 2016 - 01:11 AM, said:

Quite a few people like Colonel O'Neill just used LRM's to farm components.

I'm just getting mine as I go because we kept getting stomped almost every time I got into my SRM 24 Linebacker.... though getting primaried by the entire other team time after time after time didn't help my mood. That said we're only a couple of days in so plenty of time and at least the Linebacker kills are now done and most of their basics.

If he was using LRMs I'm sure he was just experimenting with the changes. He's an outstanding player and they would be less efficient than direct fire in his hands for component destruction.

[itsGreyspot]

I'm enjoying this event so far. The component destroyed challenge is taking a bit longer than I'd like but hopefully after finishing the "Protected Light/Medium" challenge portion I can switch exclusively to heavy and assault mechs and get breaking.

I do kind of get how people feel about light scouts. I don't think I've had many matches where there wasn't a huge difference in speed with the Alpha lance mechs. Usually when I'm in my Locust I scout first then if possible (alive and not legged) regroup back for the Protect Light/Medium points and if I get some lance in formation points great! If I don't make it back, hopefully I softened up the enemy armor enough my teammates can destroy some components.

Switching to my Warhammer in bravo or charlie lance has netted the most lance points along with communication.

Overall, thanks for the event and good luck to everyone making their goals.

[MovinTarget]

DGTLDaemon, on 21 November 2016 - 05:44 AM, said:

And that's actually the worst part I'll repeat myself: throughout this year, there were a total of THREE occasions (incliding the current event) when special mech variants with a 30% C-Bill boost were given out by PGI for free for general, non-faction-specific achievements. All of them were IS mechs. The only way to get a Clan mech with a C-Bill boost was to purchase specific mechpacks under the loyalty program. 'Nuff said.

And part of the reason for this is that only recently has PGI dared to venture into the clan "Hero" omnimech territory.

Please tell me how many IS Hero mechs are currently Tier 1 mechs? The fact is that PGI has (mostly) done a pretty good job of preventing hero mechs from being considered "OP" and they are WYSIWYG, you can't improve the their hardpoint location/positions.

Now, how many Clan hero mechs that just rolled off the assembly line this week can be built to be Tier 1 and retain their 30% cbill bonus? Timber is one, at least, can't remember if the Stormcrow was still Tier 1, but you get the idea.

With IS Heroes it's "If you liked the CDA-3M, maybe you'll like the X-5!" but clan Hero Omnimechs are "Just about everything you can do with your regular clan omnis (HD/CT hardpoints notwithstanding) you can still do *and* get a 30% cbill bonus.

It's like you don't get it. Are IS pilots cheering for a free GI universally? No. Most of us are cheering for the fact that it amounts to a free mechbay and extra cbills for the sold mech, which is, exactly what you are getting.

[Eregion]

Being selfish is a thing (that I don't see much around here).
Being dumb is another, more common, thing.


If a player spent 17.28$* (!!) for the GI the day (/week/month) before the event started, what do you think is he thinking right now?


Will that player be happy for his choice?
Will he blindly and faithfully buy something, the next time around?


There's a reason why some companies give back to the player the equivalent of (half?) the MCs spent on the thing that they have already bought.

Are those more successfull companies plain wrong?
Maybe. Maybe you are right.

But I don't think so.
Yeah, it's free. But I spent real money on it. So it's free for you, not for me.


*With the 29.95$ MC pack.

[MovinTarget]

TercieI, on 21 November 2016 - 05:57 AM, said:

If he was using LRMs I'm sure he was just experimenting with the changes. He's an outstanding player and they would be less efficient than direct fire in his hands for component destruction.

Though with good pilots, direct fire might kill opponents "too fast". They are using their knowledge of positioning and such to maximize survivabilty while stipping opponents with an intentionally inefficient method to keep 'em alive as long as possible.

Eregion, on 21 November 2016 - 06:35 AM, said:

Being selfish is a thing (that I don't see much around here).
Being dumb is another, more common, thing.


If a player spent 17.28$* (!!) for the GI the day (/week/month) before the event started, what do you think is he thinking right now?


Will that player be happy for his choice?
Will he blindly and faithfully buy something, the next time around?


There's a reason why some companies give back to the player the equivalent of (half?) the MCs spent on the thing that they have already bought.

Are those more successfull companies plain wrong?
Maybe. Maybe you are right.

But I don't think so.
Yeah, it's free. But I spent real money on it. So it's free for you, not for me.


*With the 29.95$ MC pack.

You can email support and if like you said, you bought it right before the announcement, they are pretty good aout granting refunds.

Peeps can gripe about PGI for a lot of reasons but their Customer Service has *always* been top notch as far as I have experienced.

[SuperFunkTron]

DGTLDaemon, on 21 November 2016 - 05:11 AM, said:

And by the way, remember that previous "Nova-Vember" challenge? Initially it was lopsided, too, but when the players rightfully pointed out that it was biased towards the Clans, it took PGI mere minutes to recognize their mistake and add an alternative challenge component for the IS. Now this Kerensky Bowl has been running for a few days already, but no one gives a sh*t about correcting the IS-biased reward. Shows you what PGI really think of the Clan portion of their player base...

Nova-vember was a wordplay on the name and PGI didn't "realize an error" so much as they said that they still needed time to post the IS portion of that event. I play clan mechs 95% of the time and I have gripe about there being a lack of clan mechs as prizes. You can't draw anything as a conclusion about what they think of the clan portion of the player base because they aren't giving out clan mechs. They are giving out something that thematically fits and has already been out for quite some time. No one is stopping you from using or selling the grid iron if you get it.

I am honestly baffled by why you feel you NEED to have a clan equivalent made available just because you that is your preference. They are offering a FREE PRIZE and somehow you feel you are entitled to an item that you want instead. It it is really upsetting to you, just earn the grid iron sell it, and use those c-bills to buy something else.

[Eregion]

MovinTarget, on 21 November 2016 - 06:40 AM, said:

You can email support and if like you said, you bought it right before the announcement, they are pretty good aout granting refunds.

Peeps can gripe about PGI for a lot of reasons but their Customer Service has *always* been top notch as far as I have experienced.

"Unfortunately there's no substitutions for this reward. If you're able to achieve this prize, you can always sell this 'Mech for C-Bills in your inventory once it's been injected."
- Sent to a friend of mine.

Roosters can make you think to solve the issue *individually* through the always lovable Customer Service.
That's a nice way to really not address the potential (and real, in this instance) issue.
Bravo.

[MovinTarget]

Eregion, on 21 November 2016 - 06:58 AM, said:

"Unfortunately there's no substitutions for this reward. If you're able to achieve this prize, you can always sell this 'Mech for C-Bills in your inventory once it's been injected."
- Sent to a friend of mine.

Roosters can make you think to solve the issue *individually* through the always lovable Customer Service.
That's a nice way to really not address the potential (and real, in this instance) issue.
Bravo.

I would push on that, it's *not* a substitution. Get a refund for the one purchased and win the event one.

[DGTLDaemon]

SuperFunkTron, on 21 November 2016 - 06:55 AM, said:

I am honestly baffled by why you feel you NEED to have a clan equivalent made available just because you that is your preference. They are offering a FREE PRIZE and somehow you feel you are entitled to an item that you want instead.

OK, let's approach it from a different angle. Imagine for a second that you're a football player... of a hockey player... or whatever-kind-of-sports-you-can-think-of player, and you're just having a friendly match with another team. And the organizers were kind enough to put up a free prize for every player on the winning team - let's say a nice-looking cup to commemorate your victory. Except that it has the opposing team's insignia all over it. So if they win, they get a nice trophy to put on display and brag about. If you win... well, I guess you can take that trophy to a shooting range for target practice, or something. You think that's perfectly OK? As long as it's free, there's nothing to complain about? Just take it with a smile and say "thank you"? Because if you don't need it, you can melt it down and sell the material it's made of for whatever it's worth?

To clarify once again: I am not disputing the value of the prize, or asking for a more valuable prize. Moreover, being a completioninst, I always strive to complete all event challenges even if I have no use for the rewards (which happens quite often - for example, in case of cockpit items or consumables). I do, however, feel offended by the fact that the prize is specific to the opposing faction, and that no alternative prize of equivalent value specific to my faction is offered. To that end, I would be much happier if PGI simply offered a free mechbay as the prize, as that would be faction-neutral and fair to both sides.

Edited by DGTLDaemon, 21 November 2016 - 07:37 AM.

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MovinTarget, on 21 November 2016 - 07:00 AM, said:

I would push on that, it's *not* a substitution. Get a refund for the one purchased and win the event one.

I understand the Customer Service thing, and I don't use sarcasm when I say that they are always lovable.
Still, to act individually to a clear, broad and possibly common issue is not the solution.

[MovinTarget]

DGTLDaemon, on 21 November 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

OK, let's approach it from a different angle. Imagine for a second that you're a football player... of a hockey player... or whatever-kind-of-sports-you-can-think-of player, and you're just having a friendly match with another team. And the organizers were kind enough to put up a free prize for every player on the winning team - let's say a nice-looking cup to commemorate your victory. Except that it has the opposing team's insignia all over it. So if they win, they get a nice trophy to put on display and brag about. If you win... well, I guess you can take that trophy to a shooting range for target practice, or something. You think that's perfectly OK? As long as it's free, there's nothing to complain about? Just take it with a smile and say "thank you"? Because if you don't need it, you can melt it down and sell the material it's made of for whatever it's worth?

To clarify once again: I am not disputing the value of the prize, or asking for a more valuable prize. Moreover, being a completioninst, I always strive to complete all event challenges even if I have no use for the rewards (which happens quite often - for example, with the cockpit items or consumables). I do, however, feel offended by the fact that the prize is specific to the opposing faction, and that no alternative prize of equivalent value specific to my faction is offered.

This analogy only holds true if you can only play your sport and no other. A IS mech can be played by anyone, just like a clan mech can be played by anyone. The only time you *can't* cherry pick mechs is in FP. If you play *only* then you have bigger issues to complain about than a measly mech reward in an event.

Eregion, on 21 November 2016 - 07:25 AM, said:

I understand the Customer Service thing, and I don't use sarcasm when I say that they are always lovable.
Still, to act individually to a clear, broad and possibly common issue is not the solution.

That is fair, experiences may vary, but when I accidentally bought 2 Jesters on sale, they very readily refunded one *months* later because I'd only just noticed I had two (bought on sale to level later).

I have had other refund circumstances go well too.

So yes, take it with a grain of salt that this is one customer's testimonial, but just wanted people in that boat to feel they could try that avenue for a refund.

[DGTLDaemon]

MovinTarget, on 21 November 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

This analogy only holds true if you can only play your sport and no other. A IS mech can be played by anyone, just like a clan mech can be played by anyone.

So you're completely discarding any roleplaying aspects of this game? For you, there's no distinction between the IS and Clan tech except for a set of figures characterizing each mech's performance? No feeling of affiliation with a particular faction or unit? OK, duly noted

[BanditB17]

TercieI, on 21 November 2016 - 05:57 AM, said:

If he was using LRMs I'm sure he was just experimenting with the changes. He's an outstanding player and they would be less efficient than direct fire in his hands for component destruction.

I did the same thing. Just experimenting and then went right back to pinpoint.

Still wrecked face with the LRMs, just had to get in under 400 meters to be effective. Still not a superior weapon system by any means.

[KnightMarkus]

DGTLDaemon, on 21 November 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

OK, let's approach it from a different angle. Imagine for a second that you're a football player... of a hockey player... or whatever-kind-of-sports-you-can-think-of player, and you're just having a friendly match with another team. And the organizers were kind enough to put up a free prize for every player on the winning team - let's say a nice-looking cup to commemorate your victory. Except that it has the opposing team's insignia all over it.

Great. Having the other team's insignia all over it will remind me of who I won it from, and I can rub it in their faces every time they come over for a game. It's the same principle as capturing an enemy flag as a trophy.

DGTLDaemon, on 21 November 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

So you're completely discarding any roleplaying aspects of this game? For you, there's no distinction between the IS and Clan tech except for a set of figures characterizing each mech's performance? No feeling of affiliation with a particular faction or unit? OK, duly noted

Let's be honest with ourselves here: this is not a game about roleplaying. There's no character interaction, and with the exception of "picking a faction" there's no meaningful decisions that don't break down to "shooting other mechs". Roleplaying is about as important to this game as it is to any RTS, FPS or MMO. If you really want to roleplay in the Battletech universe, then I suggest you pick up BattleTech: A Time of War.

Edited by KnightMarkus, 21 November 2016 - 08:08 AM.