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[AriCri]

I spent real money on GI and now I'm very upset for seeing the hero mech as a present on the mall's shelves during black friday time!
May I?

[silberfuchs]

DGTLDaemon, on 21 November 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

So you're completely discarding any roleplaying aspects of this game? For you, there's no distinction between the IS and Clan tech except for a set of figures characterizing each mech's performance? No feeling of affiliation with a particular faction or unit? OK, duly noted

If we're talking RP and lore then it doesn't make a lot of sense for Clanners to not have IS mechs considering the vast majority of Clan mech have their roots in IS technology. Hell, Natasha Kerensky piloted a Warhammer for nearly her entire career along with numerous other instances of Clan pilots using IS mechs.

[MovinTarget]

AriCri, on 21 November 2016 - 08:08 AM, said:

I spent real money on GI and now I'm very upset for seeing the hero mech as a present on the mall's shelves during black friday time!
May I?

If you've just bought it, I feel your pain, contact customer service and see if you can get a refund.

If you've had it for any appreciable amount of time then its gets a bit murkier. Many of us that have been around a while (many longer than I) have already worked through those feelings and have moved on.

I guess I just don't get the grief anymore over something you can own two of, or can sell and still get something out of it.

[MovinTarget]

DGTLDaemon, on 21 November 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

So you're completely discarding any roleplaying aspects of this game? For you, there's no distinction between the IS and Clan tech except for a set of figures characterizing each mech's performance? No feeling of affiliation with a particular faction or unit? OK, duly noted

I have preferences, but this game was not founded upon such things because if it were, you'd have a whole new level of salt. Imagine, if this were lore-pure:

1) You'd only be able to access mechs naturally occurring to your faction. Clan *or* IS. So people would be all like "But only Clan Wolf can use Timber Wolves!" and such. I don't think you want to go down that road. The numbers would be crunched and the "meta-friendly" factions would be overpopulated and all the others would get curb stomped by population imbalance.

2) Beyond that, you'd have only access to the variants and "traditional omni builds" of those factions - more salt.

So instead of having clanners complain about a single *free* mech they wouldn't be able to use in FP, we'd have 9 or so factions that wouldn't be able to use it in FP (unless it is a "universally" accessible variant)

That's not how the game started so how are they going to alienate their customer base by suddenly saying "Pick a faction and only use that faction's mechs"?

You can disagree on their approach all ya want, you can ask them to consider your suggestions, but you/I/we cannot dictate what they give away for free.

And it is free. This is a game that many play without dropping a cent.

If you don't feel the event rewards are free, you are doing something terribly, horribly wrong.

Edited by MovinTarget, 21 November 2016 - 08:30 AM.

[KnightMarkus]

MovinTarget, on 21 November 2016 - 08:27 AM, said:

1) You'd only be able to access mechs naturally occurring to your faction. Clan *or* IS. So people would be all like "But only Clan Wolf can use Timber Wolves!" and such.

Actually, other Clans do use Timber Wolves. Clan Wolf is the only Clan that makes them, but other Clans can get their hands on them through trade, receive them as gifts or salvage enough omnipods off the battlefield to make a whole mech.

[Ironically Ironclad Irony]

KnightMarkus, on 21 November 2016 - 08:32 AM, said:

Actually, other Clans do use Timber Wolves. Clan Wolf is the only Clan that makes them, but other Clans can get their hands on them through trade, receive them as gifts or salvage enough omnipods off the battlefield to make a whole mech.

Okay, split hairs on that example...

How many clans use Kodiaks?

Or we would have a more complicated economy that dictates how many "salvaged" variants a faction can put on the field at a given time b/c I'm pretty sure Clan Wolf never had a 2-3 star "Kodiak Rush", like, ever...

Edited by Ironically Ironclad Irony, 21 November 2016 - 08:59 AM.

[KnightMarkus]

Ironically Ironclad Irony, on 21 November 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

Okay, split hairs on my example...

How many clans use Kodiaks?

Other than Clan Ghost Bear? Clan Snow Raven, Clan Goliath Scorpion, Clan Cloud Cobra and Clan Ice Hellion. And when you get down to it, any Clan could conceivably have any omnimech through battlefield salvage.

[Ironically Ironclad Irony]

KnightMarkus, on 21 November 2016 - 09:00 AM, said:

Other than Clan Ghost Bear? Clan Snow Raven, Clan Goliath Scorpion, Clan Cloud Cobra and Clan Ice Hellion. And when you get down to it, any Clan could conceivably have any omnimech through battlefield salvage.

You didn't answer the second part...

How likely is a 10-15 Kodiak front, even for clan GB?

This gets into another Lore aspect people ignore because its convenient: There are simply not many mechs in existent at this point in the timeline.

Class distribution would be majority Light/Medium with Heavys occasionally and Assaults are RARE. If this game was lore, you'd be lucky to get 1 assault per 12 man drop.

Edited by Ironically Ironclad Irony, 21 November 2016 - 09:28 AM.

[KnightMarkus]

Ironically Ironclad Irony, on 21 November 2016 - 09:27 AM, said:

You didn't answer the second part...

How likely is a 10-15 Kodiak front, even for clan GB?

This gets into another Lore aspect people ignore because its convenient: There are simply not many mechs in existent at this point in the timeline.

Class distribution would be majority Light/Medium with Heavys occasionally and Assaults are RARE. If this game was lore, you'd be lucky to get 1 assault per 12 man drop.

Second part wasn't edited in when I responded. Anyways, I can't seem to find anywhere in Sarna wiki that says how many mechs there were at any given time or what the ratio of the different weight classes. Sounds like something that would be a lot of work to implement and not actually increase anyone's fun anyways, which I guess is your point.

[Aramuside]

TercieI, on 21 November 2016 - 05:57 AM, said:

If he was using LRMs I'm sure he was just experimenting with the changes. He's an outstanding player and they would be less efficient than direct fire in his hands for component destruction.

It was an interesting fit actually ARC-2R with 2 x LRM 20 and Narc. Thats it.

Eregion, on 21 November 2016 - 06:35 AM, said:

Being selfish is a thing (that I don't see much around here).
Being dumb is another, more common, thing.


If a player spent 17.28$* (!!) for the GI the day (/week/month) before the event started, what do you think is he thinking right now?


Will that player be happy for his choice?
Will he blindly and faithfully buy something, the next time around?


There's a reason why some companies give back to the player the equivalent of (half?) the MCs spent on the thing that they have already bought.

Are those more successfull companies plain wrong?
Maybe. Maybe you are right.

But I don't think so.
Yeah, it's free. But I spent real money on it. So it's free for you, not for me.


*With the 29.95$ MC pack.

Except customer service are very reasonable in my experience so nice strawman argument.... perhaps you should advise all these hordes of people to go talk to them?

[Dee Eight]

Ducciojzr, on 21 November 2016 - 02:07 AM, said:

We need an alternative reward for those who already bought Gi spending dollars. It's the first time that they gift a Hero...Now, why should I spend on hero if then they give them for free?

Because unless you finish all the goals to get the hero prize, you still need to buy Grid Irons for real money. Sure sign that folks suffer entitlement syndrome when they're coming up with justifications for why neither they, nor anyone else, deserve the free grand prize, that the contest organizer has chosen to award.

[Eregion]

Aramuside, on 21 November 2016 - 11:06 AM, said:

Except customer service are very reasonable in my experience so nice strawman argument.... perhaps you should advise all these hordes of people to go talk to them?

I want to be nice with you because I really never saw you in game and I don't know who you are:
Read the remaining posts in that very same page.

"Strawman argument"... lol

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

[Aramuside]

Eregion, on 21 November 2016 - 11:20 AM, said:

I want to be nice with you because I really never saw you in game and I don't know who you are:
Read the remaining posts in that very same page.

"Strawman argument"... lol

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

Thanks for your non contribution.......

[latinisator]

Thank you for the event and nice prices! It sure is a pain for those guys who just bought a Grid Iron with cash, they should be compensated.
As for a price selection: PGI did this before and it was good stuff. And why not make it one variant (prime, a, b ) from the Linebacker? Could make more people spend a dime and if not...what is the problem then?

That being said:
When will we get some more information on the new steam packs?

Edited by latinisator, 21 November 2016 - 11:21 AM.

[Dee Eight]

MovinTarget, on 21 November 2016 - 05:33 AM, said:

But it resolves nothing. *you* don't have either so it it would suit *you*.

Here's the thing. I own all of them. There is very little pgi could offer of their existing mechs that i don't own. Yet, mysteriously i don't feel the need to demand an option that caters specifically to me.

Further, there are events throughput the year, even hypothetically rewards one playerset and somehow offends another. Have you ever considered that if taking the whole year into consideration might not be a more rational and realistic approach instead of only whining about the current event?

Not every event will cater to you, or anyone else for that matter, you might need to cpme to grips with that before venturing into the real world...

Geez, i hope MWO is the only place where people complain about the free stuff they are given...

Ditto. I already own every HBK variant, including Grid Iron. What am I going to do with a second one? I think I'll build it differently. Same reason I own two KDK-3s, and two KFX-Primes, and several other mech variants I've duplicated. I'm clever enough on my own to determine that if I'm awarded a prize I don't require, and its something sellable, to do that and put the c-bills to something I do need. If its something unsellable, well...I'm equally clever enough to ignore its presence in my mech garage / inventory. You can sort your mech selection by tech base afterall. If you don't want to see the IS mechs you were gifted because you're a clan loyalist thru and thru, you don't have to. The (S) type mechs that came in steam performance packs, or were given as loyalty prizes and other giveaways (like the Centurion NCIX) don't show in the inventory mech list, and if they're IS ones, they won't show in the selection menu either if you pick clan only mechs. Or is no one else familiar with the expression, "out of sight, out of mind" ?

If folks really want to complain about PGI giving away for free, mechs that cost money, where's the complaints for the regional finalists prizes ? The top 10 in each region got utlimate tier mech packs !!!

1st in Region = Invited to WC

2nd place = 25,000 MC, 2 Ultimate Tiers from their choice of Pack(s), 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
3rd place = 25,000 MC, 2 Ultimate Tiers from their choice of Pack(s), 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
4th place = 12,000 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
5th place = 12,000 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
6th place = 6,500 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
7th place = 6,500 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
8th place = 3,000 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
9th place = 3,000 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
10th place = 3,000 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills

[Eregion]

Aramuside, on 21 November 2016 - 11:20 AM, said:

Thanks for your non contribution.......

Ok, so I'm starting to know you.
If you want to know what I think (my contribution), at least read all the discussion, before pressing that button.

If you want to continue to call me, go ahead.

"If you need a little help to find out what I said on the Customer Service, please press 'quote'"
"If you want to know what a 'contribution to a discussion' is, please press 'quote'"
"If you are bored at work and don't know who to quarrel with, please press 'quote'"


EDIT: grammar.

Edited by Eregion, 21 November 2016 - 11:41 AM.

[Dee Eight]

DGTLDaemon, on 21 November 2016 - 05:44 AM, said:

And that's actually the worst part I'll repeat myself: throughout this year, there were a total of THREE occasions (incliding the current event) when special mech variants with a 30% C-Bill boost were given out by PGI for free for general, non-faction-specific achievements. All of them were IS mechs. The only way to get a Clan mech with a C-Bill boost was to purchase specific mechpacks under the loyalty program. 'Nuff said.

Well did it NOT occur to you that they didn't exactly have any to give away (clan c-bill boosted mechs) ?

[Ducciojzr]

Dee Eight, on 21 November 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

Because unless you finish all the goals to get the hero prize, you still need to buy Grid Irons for real money. Sure sign that folks suffer entitlement syndrome when they're coming up with justifications for why neither they, nor anyone else, deserve the free grand prize, that the contest organizer has chosen to award.

Since it's hard to understand, I'll try to put it clearer: I'm all for the "free" prize. I'm in the "Grid Iron for everybody" party. But I paid for it, so...

[Deathlike]

Dee Eight, on 21 November 2016 - 11:26 AM, said:

Ditto. I already own every HBK variant, including Grid Iron. What am I going to do with a second one? I think I'll build it differently. Same reason I own two KDK-3s, and two KFX-Primes, and several other mech variants I've duplicated. I'm clever enough on my own to determine that if I'm awarded a prize I don't require, and its something sellable, to do that and put the c-bills to something I do need. If its something unsellable, well...I'm equally clever enough to ignore its presence in my mech garage / inventory. You can sort your mech selection by tech base afterall. If you don't want to see the IS mechs you were gifted because you're a clan loyalist thru and thru, you don't have to. The (S) type mechs that came in steam performance packs, or were given as loyalty prizes and other giveaways (like the Centurion NCIX) don't show in the inventory mech list, and if they're IS ones, they won't show in the selection menu either if you pick clan only mechs. Or is no one else familiar with the expression, "out of sight, out of mind" ?

If folks really want to complain about PGI giving away for free, mechs that cost money, where's the complaints for the regional finalists prizes ? The top 10 in each region got utlimate tier mech packs !!!

1st in Region = Invited to WC

2nd place = 25,000 MC, 2 Ultimate Tiers from their choice of Pack(s), 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
3rd place = 25,000 MC, 2 Ultimate Tiers from their choice of Pack(s), 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
4th place = 12,000 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
5th place = 12,000 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
6th place = 6,500 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
7th place = 6,500 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
8th place = 3,000 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
9th place = 3,000 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills
10th place = 3,000 MC, 1 Ultimate Tier from their choice of Pack, 4 Mechbays, 25,000,000 C-Bills

I wouldn't call that generous. The hoops people had to go through to even participate when scheduling was shameful at best... if you didn't drop out, you weren't enjoying it. Only the people that were already good would benefit (no different from leaderboards when they had better prizes than they do now).

[Dee Eight]

Eregion, on 21 November 2016 - 06:35 AM, said:

Being selfish is a thing (that I don't see much around here).
Being dumb is another, more common, thing.


If a player spent 17.28$* (!!) for the GI the day (/week/month) before the event started, what do you think is he thinking right now?

If a day before they can email billing support and ask to return/refund it. A week or a month or a year...that's out of PGI's hands. Seriously... do you go through life holding off on decisions because of what might happen next month ? You might be dead next month. You could be crossing the road tommorow and your mate goes... "mind that bus..." "what bus?" SPLAT !!

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Will that player be happy for his choice?
Will he blindly and faithfully buy something, the next time around?

Depends if they are immature or mature and if they suffer from entitlement syndrome or not.

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There's a reason why some companies give back to the player the equivalent of (half?) the MCs spent on the thing that they have already bought.

Good for them. Those companies can make whatever decisions they wish in how they conduct their own business operations.

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Are those more successfull companies plain wrong?

Never pass up the opportunity to be immature and take a swing at PGI eh ?

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Maybe. Maybe you are right.

But I don't think so.
Yeah, it's free. But I spent real money on it. So it's free for you, not for me.


*With the 29.95$ MC pack.

Well the rest of us are now sure that you are wrong at least. I also got my GI thru a mastery pack purchase though I forget if it was thru the in-game or webstore. Either way, I do not feel at all slighted or offended by PGI now offering a free GI as a prize in an event I didn't know was going to take place, six months ago when I got my hunchback pack. But then I'm a rationale mature individual.