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#41 STEF_

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 03:15 AM

View PostDovisKhan, on 24 November 2016 - 12:23 AM, said:


Yes, because quirks compensate for the tonnage difference. If you didn't notice it's quirked like an IS mech and it has much, much better hardpoint placement

But if so, and it is OP, you should buy it.
Or do you already have it but you like to pilot some other doa mechs.
I cannot explain your heavy mech stats, w/l ratio 0.90 and k/d ratio 0.98, piloting such OP mech.

protip: season 4, without linebacker, was slightly better for you

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 24 November 2016 - 03:20 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2016 - 03:21 AM

View PostStefka Kerensky, on 24 November 2016 - 03:15 AM, said:

But if so, and it is OP, you should buy it.
Or do you already have it but you like to pilot some other doa mechs.
I cannot explain your w/l ratio 0.90 and k/d ratio 0.98 piloting such OP mech.


Lol, where are you getting those ridiculous numbers from

http://prnt.sc/db6p3r

These are mys stas with various mechs


1.36 win rate, so well above 50%

Edited by DovisKhan, 24 November 2016 - 03:21 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2016 - 04:51 AM

View PostDovisKhan, on 24 November 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:


Lol, where are you getting those ridiculous numbers from

http://prnt.sc/db6p3r

These are mys stas with various mechs


1.36 win rate, so well above 50%

check leaderboard from your profile, heavy mech section, season 5.
w/l ratio is 0.90; k/d ratio is 0.98..... sorry if your numbers are ridiculous.
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In season 4 u did better.... so I think the heavies you piloted in season 4 were far better than the linebacker.
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Also... if you say that the linebacker is good because of quirks, that demonstrates that it IS bad, if it needs strong quirks


edit: also, PLEASE, note how far better is your MAD-5M, which doesn't have wasted tonnage in engine, I suppose. Posted Image

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 24 November 2016 - 05:04 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2016 - 05:12 AM

View PostStefka Kerensky, on 24 November 2016 - 04:51 AM, said:

check leaderboard from your profile, heavy mech section, season 5.
w/l ratio is 0.90; k/d ratio is 0.98..... sorry if your numbers are ridiculous.
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In season 4 u did better.... so I think the heavies you piloted in season 4 were far better than the linebacker.
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Also... if you say that the linebacker is good because of quirks, that demonstrates that it IS bad, if it needs strong quirks


edit: also, PLEASE, note how far better is your MAD-5M, which doesn't have wasted tonnage in engine, I suppose. Posted Image


Seriously dude, are you a stormtrooper, cause you miss the point like one, you take the overall ratio and draw absolutely unrelated conclusions


LBK is one of the best W:L and KDR mechs I have, what brought the ratio down is Catapracht and Hellbringer (0.6 win rate for example, doesn't fit my playstile at all), when I was mastering them, now that i mastered those, I'll just put them in the warehouse and probably won't use for a long long while


Was mastering the Jagermech and Ebon Jaguar in S4, naturally those are better than HBK or CTF


As for the MAD-5M, well I got 7 Win/Loss rate with Cheetah, but it's not really enough games to be statistically relevant and I can't call myself a great Cheetah pilot just yet

Edited by DovisKhan, 24 November 2016 - 05:17 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2016 - 05:26 AM

View PostDovisKhan, on 24 November 2016 - 05:12 AM, said:


Seriously dude, are you a stormtrooper, cause you miss the point like one, you take the overall ratio and draw absolutely unrelated conclusions


LBK is one of the best W:L and KDR mechs I have, what brought the ratio down is Catapracht and Hellbringer (0.6 win rate for example, doesn't fit my playstile at all), when I was mastering them, now that i mastered those, I'll just put them in the warehouse and probably won't use for a long long while


Was mastering the Jagermech and Ebon Jaguar in S4, naturally those are better than HBK or CTF


As for the MAD-5M, well I got 7 Win/Loss rate with Cheetah, but it's not really enough games to be statistically relevant and I can't call myself a great Cheetah pilot just yet

If you like those numbers, I'm happy for you.


But, honestly, my motto is "no balance made by or for potatoes"

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 24 November 2016 - 05:49 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2016 - 05:53 AM

View PostStefka Kerensky, on 24 November 2016 - 05:26 AM, said:

If you like those numbers, I'm happy for you.


Well, there's ~40k players, I was ~8k, being in the top 25% is ok with me, I never go tryhard mode anyway, I will in December, when Marauder IIC is released, will have some spare time, will try getting withing top75, almost did that with the LBK, even though i don't even have it mastered or fully moduled yet, so my chancer are petty good, since I'll have it all ready for MAD IIC

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 05:54 AM

Allow me to describe the Linebacker in 3 steps. I love it for the first two, the third is its balancing feature so we'll have to live with it. All in all a solid mech imho,...

1/ LBK is FAST
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2/LBK is THOUGH
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3/LBK carries small gun
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Posted 24 November 2016 - 06:02 AM

View PostPyckenZot, on 24 November 2016 - 05:54 AM, said:

Allow me to describe the Linebacker in 3 steps. I love it for the first two, the third is its balancing feature so we'll have to live with it. All in all a solid mech imho,...

1/ LBK is FAST
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2/LBK is THOUGH
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3/LBK carries small gun
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Posted 24 November 2016 - 06:24 AM

View PostStefka Kerensky, on 24 November 2016 - 06:02 AM, said:

/thread


As for you potato claims, dude, you got 2.5 win rate with a little amount of games, you're a potato as well buddy by your own logic, like I said, if ya wanna compare statistically insignificant amount of games, I have 7 win rate with ACH, making me several times better than you ;)

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 06:32 AM

View PostDovisKhan, on 24 November 2016 - 06:24 AM, said:


As for you potato claims, dude, you got 2.5 win rate with a little amount of games, you're a potato as well buddy by your own logic, like I said, if ya wanna compare statistically insignificant amount of games, I have 7 win rate with ACH, making me several times better than you Posted Image

potato even checking and understanding stats :D

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 06:32 AM

I love my linebackers. Not because they're the best but because they're fun to pilot.

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 07:21 AM

View PostJIMMYJAMM, on 24 November 2016 - 06:32 AM, said:

I love my linebackers. Not because they're the best but because they're fun to pilot.


Yeah, pretty much this.

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 07:39 AM

View PostStefka Kerensky, on 24 November 2016 - 06:32 AM, said:

potato even checking and understanding stats Posted Image


Well I wouldn't exactly call what you did there "understanding stats", since your conclusion was so incredibly inaccurate


However you at least tried and did check the stats, that's pretty rare for a potato, so I'll give you that.


I'll let you in on a secret though, a single person performing with a tool good/bad doesn't say anything about the tool, If I gave you a scalpel and have you perform surgery, then give you a computer and tell you to reverse engineer google search algorithm, then finally present you with a piano and require you to perform at world competition level, I'm sure you'd fail at least in one of those, however that doesn't mean that scalpels, computers or pianos don't work...

I don't speak fluent potato, so I don't know I I got my point across to you, please do tell if you need a more simplistic explanation, I'd try to do one with images of shapes interacting

Edited by DovisKhan, 24 November 2016 - 07:40 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2016 - 08:12 AM

View PostStefka Kerensky, on 23 November 2016 - 11:09 PM, said:

I don't own a linebacker and since its announcement I knew it wasn't my kind of mech, because, speed and agility aside, it has nothing I like (firepower, good hitboxes <----- now linebacker is good because of quirks, not because it is good at tanking) But, I would like to know, as srm+laser brawler, why the linebacker should be better or at least similar than, for instance, this mech, which is completely for free. http://mwo.smurfy-ne...8f84d6d8b999940 Only for the speed?



Ok like I mentioned in an earlier post. Alot of the people responding are making judgements about the Linebacker without owning one. Hell I made judgements about it without owning it and it wasn't until I watched a ton of videos that I made the plunge.

First, Firepower. You say it doesn't have any however I will share this quick build:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...46064c2b312f6fb

78 Alpha. Now sure it is a bit toasty and short ranged but that is in the range of what some assault mechs can output. This example is extreme but even the builds I run on the basic pack are pretty up there. My Prime has a 53 alpha and my A variant has 63 alpha both operating a comfortable heat levels. Again most of it comes from ER SL, ER ML and SRMs but at those short ranges, I absolutely do not lack for firepower with the Linebacker.

Also you mention bad hit boxes. Where did you ever get the idea it has bad hitboxes? Did you read comments from other people who don't own the Linebacker because it has very good hit boxes. Hell it has such good hit boxes I often find myself stripping the bonus armor from the quirks to free up a bit more weight. Honestly I rate the hitboxes on this mech easily as good as the Stormcrow.

Now one thing I will agree on is that it is reliant on its quirks. Without the agility quirks, I think the mech would struggle because it just wouldn't have the required agility to bring all that short range firepower into play so yeah your right there. Also I think anyone buying the Linebacker needs to keep this in mind when purchasing it because we all know PGI is a fan of drastic nerfs that come at us from random directions at random times. You just honestly cannot count on the Linebacker being a good mech, a week, month or year down the road with PGI's heavy handed nerf, nerf again and nerf somemore mentality.

However, in the hear and now none of your excuses for not liking the Linebacker really exist. Its firepower is fine and you should be able to put 40-60 point alpha on the mech with no issue as long as your ok setting it up to brawl. Also it hit boxes are perfectly adequate to brawl with any mech in the game, even a KDK-3 as long as your not trying to face tank it. Finally the quirks are just what pulls the features of the Linebacker together and makes it a good mech.

I will say this however, if your not a fan of speed and agility and your preferred play style is face tanking which by your description makes me feel like your perhaps one of these players, yeah your right, don't buy the Linebacker. You would really be doing this mech and your team a disservice if all you did was stand there and try to slug it out with the enemy in this mech. Also if anyone is a LRM'er, please for the love of god, don't by a Linebacker. Running LRMs on this mech is worse than trying to convert a KDK into an LRM boat.

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 08:16 AM

View PostJIMMYJAMM, on 24 November 2016 - 06:32 AM, said:

I love my linebackers. Not because they're the best but because they're fun to pilot.


You know there is this.

For example I love my Vipers but they aren't good mechs. Same goes for my PHXs. Sometimes it just comes down to what you enjoy playing I will admit the Linebacker is fun to play good, bad or otherwise.

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 08:28 AM

View PostViktor Drake, on 24 November 2016 - 08:12 AM, said:



Ok like I mentioned in an earlier post. Alot of the people responding are making judgements about the Linebacker without owning one. Hell I made judgements about it without owning it and it wasn't until I watched a ton of videos that I made the plunge.

First, Firepower. You say it doesn't have any however I will share this quick build:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...46064c2b312f6fb

78 Alpha. Now sure it is a bit toasty and short ranged but that is in the range of what some assault mechs can output. This example is extreme but even the builds I run on the basic pack are pretty up there. My Prime has a 53 alpha and my A variant has 63 alpha both operating a comfortable heat levels. Again most of it comes from ER SL, ER ML and SRMs but at those short ranges, I absolutely do not lack for firepower with the Linebacker.

Also you mention bad hit boxes. Where did you ever get the idea it has bad hitboxes? Did you read comments from other people who don't own the Linebacker because it has very good hit boxes. Hell it has such good hit boxes I often find myself stripping the bonus armor from the quirks to free up a bit more weight. Honestly I rate the hitboxes on this mech easily as good as the Stormcrow.

Now one thing I will agree on is that it is reliant on its quirks. Without the agility quirks, I think the mech would struggle because it just wouldn't have the required agility to bring all that short range firepower into play so yeah your right there. Also I think anyone buying the Linebacker needs to keep this in mind when purchasing it because we all know PGI is a fan of drastic nerfs that come at us from random directions at random times. You just honestly cannot count on the Linebacker being a good mech, a week, month or year down the road with PGI's heavy handed nerf, nerf again and nerf somemore mentality.

However, in the hear and now none of your excuses for not liking the Linebacker really exist. Its firepower is fine and you should be able to put 40-60 point alpha on the mech with no issue as long as your ok setting it up to brawl. Also it hit boxes are perfectly adequate to brawl with any mech in the game, even a KDK-3 as long as your not trying to face tank it. Finally the quirks are just what pulls the features of the Linebacker together and makes it a good mech.

I will say this however, if your not a fan of speed and agility and your preferred play style is face tanking which by your description makes me feel like your perhaps one of these players, yeah your right, don't buy the Linebacker. You would really be doing this mech and your team a disservice if all you did was stand there and try to slug it out with the enemy in this mech. Also if anyone is a LRM'er, please for the love of god, don't by a Linebacker. Running LRMs on this mech is worse than trying to convert a KDK into an LRM boat.

Quite agree on everything, don't get me wrong: I stated in my first post I'm sure I'll have a lot of fun with it when it'll ocme out for c-bills.
Which means it's not a good enough to make me spend 50$ on that thing, 'cause imo, the only good build (with only one role) is that one u posted.... and good thanks to quirks. (while with the huntsman I have all the variants with different loadout and different roles)

Pgi made pretty much a good work with quirks making it viable, and I hope they won't erase them when I'll take it for c-bills.

But, this we are saying is far from stating it's a good mech, like the potato above is saying

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 24 November 2016 - 09:01 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2016 - 08:47 AM

View PostDovisKhan, on 24 November 2016 - 07:39 AM, said:


Well I wouldn't exactly call what you did there "understanding stats", since your conclusion was so incredibly inaccurate


However you at least tried and did check the stats, that's pretty rare for a potato, so I'll give you that.


I'll let you in on a secret though, a single person performing with a tool good/bad doesn't say anything about the tool, If I gave you a scalpel and have you perform surgery, then give you a computer and tell you to reverse engineer google search algorithm, then finally present you with a piano and require you to perform at world competition level, I'm sure you'd fail at least in one of those, however that doesn't mean that scalpels, computers or pianos don't work...

I don't speak fluent potato, so I don't know I I got my point across to you, please do tell if you need a more simplistic explanation, I'd try to do one with images of shapes interacting

....I should not aswer or replay to ppl having such bad statistic like you.....

So, sorry, my fault. I shouldn't have start, because we are living in very different planets about mwo, so it's very understandable we are seeing mechs in a very different way.

Anyway, meanwhile I cannot see you in linebacker leaderboard, I'm currently 6th on kitfox leaderboard with 2351 score points: now feel free to put those 2351 points into any linebacker leaderboard to see how much potato I am along with my kitfox compared to linebacker and please make your conclusion about how much u suck and about how much the linebacker is meh.

good bye

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 09:06 AM

View PostStefka Kerensky, on 24 November 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

....I should not aswer or replay to ppl having such bad statistic like you.....

So, sorry, my fault. I shouldn't have start, because we are living in very different planets about mwo, so it's very understandable we are seeing mechs in a very different way.

Anyway, meanwhile I cannot see you in linebacker leaderboard, I'm currently 6th on kitfox leaderboard with 2351 score points: now feel free to put those 2351 points into any linebacker leaderboard to see how much potato I am along with my kitfox compared to linebacker and please make your conclusion about how much u suck and about how much the linebacker is meh.

good bye


Well it is indeed hopeless to teach statistics to some people, so I won't bother


I'm not buyin any of the Clan Heroes, there isn't one I like


As for competition, lets have one with the MAD IIC, I'll actually have more time than 1-3 games per day to put in in late December, If you can outdo me on the same mech, when I actually try

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 09:09 AM

I ran the A with lurms and it's just fine. I don't hang back and wait for locks though. You can really put the enemy between a rock and a hard place if you use that mobility.

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Posted 24 November 2016 - 10:03 AM

View PostDovisKhan, on 24 November 2016 - 09:06 AM, said:


Well it is indeed hopeless to teach statistics to some people, so I won't bother


I'm not buyin any of the Clan Heroes, there isn't one I like


As for competition, lets have one with the MAD IIC, I'll actually have more time than 1-3 games per day to put in in late December, If you can outdo me on the same mech, when I actually try

not buying the MADIIC.
But you should do more than 2405 score points I did using a kitfox.
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