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[Johnny Z]

[dervishx5]

Saint Scarlett Johan, on 23 November 2016 - 10:41 PM, said:

I was a "gotta win all arguments at all cost" teenager. Then someone refused to argue with me called an idiot that needs to be ignored and I noticed people started ignoring me.

Then I realized I was being an argumentative @sshole and no one wanted to be around me. I decided to change my tune and learned "when to fold them and walk away" so to speak.

He still needs to learn that.

I guess that's what we'll have to do with BW.

Edited by dervishx5, 23 November 2016 - 10:44 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Can somebody answer the question?

How is the OP's comparisons of overwatches balancing compared to MWO's balancing not special plead. given the context he put it

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 23 November 2016 - 10:45 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

dervishx5, on 23 November 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

I guess that's what we'll have to do with BW.

I think it has already started working.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Carl Vickers, on 23 November 2016 - 10:46 PM, said:

I think it has already started working.

How is the OP's comparisons of overwatches balancing compared to MWO's balancing not special pleading. given the context he put it

I see most of the people here already posted with discontent towards me so, I am going to get nothing but trolling, but maybe an honest person will stop by if i keep asking the question

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 23 November 2016 - 10:49 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

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I am also not saying because blizzard therefore this excuses PGI, once again never said that. It's funny you talk about context when I was earlier taken out of context. starcraft II also and well as hearthstone, all have balance issues and still to this day. any multiplayer game is going to experience that. Even within MWO you have people talk about the "balance overlord", or PGI doesn't know how to balance. At the same time, you have people that say the game "feels good", or that the balance is alright. Which is it? who is right?

The competitive crowd are right. Just like they are right in Starcraft II. Or Overwatch. The competitive crowd is always right, because they play the game the most and, by nature of the scene, understand it the most thoroughly.

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 10:12 PM, said:

well the assertion of a straw man was correct. I never said or implied that "they are no better than PGI". I was stating that when It comes to certain aspects such as balancing, blizzard has a tough time of it as well. That is why it is a straw man, I even keep repeating and clarifying and you still got me wrong.

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I didn't make any fallacies at least to my knowledge and maybe you should quote me if i did. When I type something and try put it in plain letters what I am saying, and then when I read a response that has less to do with what I was actually talking about that is a straw man.

But you weren't taken out of context. What is in your head is irrelevant if it isn't translated properly in the text. Your written word is in the context of everybody else's written words. The correct way to address that is to say you may have mis-typed and then say what you really meant, not to attack everybody for, essentially, being unable to read your mind.

And, really, there is no possible other reason to make this snarky statement:

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

over-watch?

a good example of making some characters obsolete

that game is a mess of balance. Funny how every person on another forum thinks another game is the golden mean of balance.

"worst patch yet."- a quote from a player on the over watch forums.

I love how the devs there understand their game so much that they never make balance mistakes.

...except to cast shade on everybody saying Blizzard is better at balance than PGI. If that wasn't your intent, please do enlighten, because this is the very first post you made. We have nothing else from you to try and divine out what you really mean. Given what had been talked about before you joined in, that last sentence is very much a straw man, since literally nobody in here even remotely intimated that Blizzard is infallible, only that they are better at development than PGI.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Yeonne Greene, on 23 November 2016 - 10:49 PM, said:

The competitive crowd are right. Just like they are right in Starcraft II. Or Overwatch. The competitive crowd is always right, because they play the game the most and, by nature of the scene, understand it the most thoroughly.

my gosh, then why is the game now considered to have unbalanced characters as of now? has everything been advised by the comp crowd? and no the competitive crowd is not always right. playing the game competitively doesn't enable one to see the all the flaws, or even specific flaws. Doesn't take a competitive player to see a flaw, and it's possible that they will utilize flaws to their advantage if able.

How is the OP's comparisons of overwatches balancing compared to MWO's balancing not special pleading. given the context he put it- still waiting on this answer.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 23 November 2016 - 10:57 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 10:55 PM, said:

How is the OP's comparisons of overwatches balancing compared to MWO's balancing not special pleading. given the context he put it

Where and when did I move the goal posts and why is it you seem to be the only one that seems to think I did such a thing?

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 10:55 PM, said:

my gosh, then why is the game now considered to have unbalanced characters as of now?

Yeah, of course you have that opinion because you went cherry picking through their forums. Not to mention why are you using forum whine as your only means of comparison? How do you account for lower populations and how it impacts overall forum activity and attitude?

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 10:55 PM, said:

Doesn't take a competitive player to see a flaw, and it's possible that they will utilize flaws to their advantage if able.

That last part is the important part, if they find out about a flaw regardless of who found it first, the exploit it, but that doesn't mean that they are suddenly all selfish and don't try to fix problematic flaws, in fact they tend to be vocal about these things as well and they have the game knowledge to support it. This also ignores something, again no one says comp players are infallible BUT they tend to find more of the flaws and are often able to exploit them to full effect which is when they can become problems.



Now with that all out of the way, I will listen to my buddy Johan and block you.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 23 November 2016 - 11:38 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 November 2016 - 11:29 PM, said:

Where and when did I move the goal posts and why is it you seem to be the only one that seems to think I did such a thing?

in in the video he is talking about his approach to balancing the character in the game, how the character fits in the game. Paul did the same thing in the dev vlogs. albeit not recently but that gave insight to they at least in some structure converse about balance. However your post you gave in page 3

"like understanding the game"- what does this mean?

you are the one that responded to what I said on page 3. so you created a lot more dialog, but what I got from it was why doesn't paul or the balance team approach their balance like the team working overwatch?

fair enough? just as a reminder, the guy is mainly talking about balance, although he touches on different things.

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

over-watch?

a good example of making some characters obsolete

that game is a mess of balance. Funny how every person on another forum thinks another game is the golden mean of balance.

"worst patch yet."- a quote from a player on the over watch forums.

I love how the devs there understand their game so much that they never make balance mistakes.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 November 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

Ummmmm, have you played this game? There are as many if not more useful meta characters in Overwatch than there are meta mechs in this game and that is with restrictions, and yet we have almost 20 times the number of characters as Overwatch.....

for the record, you quoted me, I didn't quote you. I was curious as to why you choose over-watch. one of the first sentences you gave me was this. Then you claimed i straw manned when I wasn't even addressing or saying you said. I was just curious. Next time don't claimed that I straw manned you or moved the goal post, you did that.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 23 November 2016 - 11:48 PM.

[dervishx5]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 November 2016 - 11:29 PM, said:

Now with that all out of the way, I will listen to my buddy Johan and block you.

[BLOOD WOLF]

got to love that special pleading.

I also didn't cherry pick their forums. Reddit, youtube, whichever platform you name it. 3rd party sources are a plenty.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 23 November 2016 - 11:51 PM.

[Clownwarlord]

Why can't Paul be more like ... better (or pgi for that matter)? Well I don't know maybe Paul or someone can come on here and tell us, but I think it has to do more with PGI doesn't care about the franchise anymore. They keep stating new feature ideas and even go to put them in the road maps only to be pushed off the books never to make it in the game.

[Lyoto Machida]

Blood Wolf...it's almost like every thread you post in ends up like this. This persona of yours (and I seriously hope it's a posting persona) ends up getting you into argument/conflicts/etc with other posters frequently.

What Dervish said earlier about you (and to a somewhat lesser extent, Johnny Z...my words, not his) always opposing anyone who criticizes PGI is dead on. So either everyone else here is a bunch of ***holes or maybe it's just the way you approach and deal with other people time and time again.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Clownwarlord, on 23 November 2016 - 11:51 PM, said:

They keep stating new feature ideas and even go to put them in the road maps only to be pushed off the books never to make it in the game.

?? I don't remember many features they pushed in roadmaps that got pushed back besides a few. I was just going through them a few weeks ago. the one I remember recently, was revamped assault, and the threma redux

Lyoto Machida, on 23 November 2016 - 11:57 PM, said:

always opposing anyone who criticizes PGI is dead on.

yea, you and derv are liars. I don't give 2 shits about PGI, as people or a company. I play a game they make and thats it. They ****** up with the original timberwolf, making it so only one unit placed a tag was stupid, and I got a list that goes

The problem is when I criticize you and a few others. So don't give me this white knight crap. That's just an excuse, to protect that frail ego. you nor anybody here can give me the relevant examples. all you have is years ago when I was the guy that was saying I don't think people had good reasons for why they would not keep to their 2014 roadmap, and that is where the **** with some people started.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 24 November 2016 - 12:06 AM.

[dervishx5]

BLOOD WOLF, on 24 November 2016 - 12:00 AM, said:

Thats just an excuse, to protect that frail ego

It's amazing how transparent this is and yet he's not realizing it. I really hope I was never this bad. Quicksilver would know since he was around during my... glory days... on the NBT forums.

[BLOOD WOLF]

dervishx5, on 24 November 2016 - 12:05 AM, said:

It's amazing how transparent this is and yet he's not realizing it. I really hope I was never this bad. Quicksilver would know since he was around during my... glory days... on the NBT forums.

what is transparent? you can't name anything that is not made up, a characterization, or something that i frankly do not do. Just admit it, its nothing more than an egotistical grudge.

you say things, and make claims that i have proven or can prove not to be the case, and your the one thats hurt.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 24 November 2016 - 12:11 AM.

[dervishx5]

BLOOD WOLF, on 24 November 2016 - 12:07 AM, said:

its nothing more than an egotistical grudge

Edited by dervishx5, 24 November 2016 - 12:10 AM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

beyond pathetic.

[Clownwarlord]

What has been pushed back?
IK
Assault Game Mode
Minning Collective revamp
(Others that have been eventually put in a month or two later.)

Then others automatically got put into the "Looking Ahead" category, examples:
Skill Tree revamp - which has been mentioned for a few years now and portions since the current skill tree was developed.
Faction Warfare improvements from July.

Basically here is the May, June, and July road map:
https://mwomercs.com...ejuly-road-map/

And the August, September, and October road map:
https://mwomercs.com...tober-road-map/

[BLOOD WOLF]

Clownwarlord, on 24 November 2016 - 12:24 AM, said:

What has been pushed back?
IK
Assault Game Mode
Minning Collective revamp
(Others that have been eventually put in a month or two later.)

Then others automatically got put into the "Looking Ahead" category, examples:
Skill Tree revamp - which has been mentioned for a few years now and portions since the current skill tree was developed.
Faction Warfare improvements from July.

Basically here is the May, June, and July road map:
https://mwomercs.com...ejuly-road-map/

And the August, September, and October road map:
https://mwomercs.com...tober-road-map/

for some of those such as IK, i rather they be pushed back if they were not ready. Saw how it looked on Instagram and it looked cool enough. They also pushed some Items up, 2 i believe. So it might be the case of whatever is ready.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 24 November 2016 - 12:28 AM.