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[Plastic Guru]

Kaeb Odellas, on 04 December 2016 - 04:16 AM, said:

And you're not paying them to develop MWO or MW5. We are not investors or shareholders. We are customers. We purchase access to digital robots for use in their robot shooting game. Some of us purchase pretty colors and knick knacks for our robots, or boosters to increase the rate at which we can upgrade our robots and acquire more. PGI's only obligation to you is to provide those things you purchase and maintain this service that they provide.

Good Luck...I've tried pointing that out several times. All you get are Bitter Vets who can't get over the fact that no one asked their opinion about how the game should be made. Irregardless of the fact that, as you pointed out, no one owns stock in this company. They can do whatever they want. Don't like it? Vote with your wallet. This is also a a free-to-play game. I can't understand how much Sodium Chloride is being made about money in a game you don't HAVE to spend any in. I know for a fact that several of the Bitter Vets don't even play any more....they just like to get on here and yell so it makes them feel better.

I'm one of the 'new' guys....and compared to Hawken and other 'mech' games MWO is much better. Yes, I'd like more maps...but please...let's get rid of the voting system. Just like in COD...it's always the same 3 maps that everyone wants to play.

And...anyone who is hold up WoT as a successful alternative is just proving how much NaCl they actually have for MWO...or apparently they don't read some of their forum posts. Jeez...we talk about lore but ours is made up. On WoT they get upset over minutae too...but then they pull out pictures of the actual tanks, interviews and quotes from real tankers...etc.

"General Kerensky what do you think of the players opinions about how bad your Orion was?"
<reply censored> but it would probably rhyme with 'nucking Stieners"

Send me some NaCl...I need some for me hashbrowns....

Oh...and bring on MW5...that would be aswesome using today's tech....

Plastic Guru

Edited by Plastic Guru, 04 December 2016 - 04:54 AM.

[Valhallan]

Plastic Guru, on 04 December 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:

Good Luck...I've tried pointing that out several times. All you get are Bitter Vets who can't get over the fact that no one asked their opinion about how the game should be made. Irregardless of the fact that, as you pointed out, no one owns stock in this company. They can do whatever they want. Don't like it? Vote with your wallet. This is also a a free-to-play game. I can't understand how much Sodium Chloride is being made about money in a game you don't HAVE to spend any in. I know for a fact that several of the Bitter Vets don't even play any more....they just like to get on here and yell so it makes them feel better.

Not going to deny that there are some bitter bitter vets, but the founders totally have a right to do it. All these you are only "customers" responses only applies to those who spent money after the game launched, For those who backed the game into creation they essentially paid for something that never arrived (MWO is a far cry from what was outlined), heck you should be glad they are only this salty because they could essentially do what those who backed no man's sky did and sue for refunds since it is kinda false advertising to promise something that ain't there.

Edited by Valhallan, 04 December 2016 - 06:47 AM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Valhallan, on 04 December 2016 - 06:45 AM, said:

Not going to deny that there are some bitter bitter vets, but the founders totally have a right to do it. All these you are only &quot;customers&quot; responses only applies to those who spent money after the game launched, For those who backed the game into creation they essentially paid for something that never arrived (MWO is a far cry from what was outlined), heck you should be glad they are only this salty because they could essentially do what those who backed no man's sky did and sue for refunds since it is kinda false advertising.

Uhhh Legendary Founder here. MWO didn't fulfill all my expectations, but I still enjoy the hell out of the game and I am absolutely pumped for a new single player Mechwarrior game.

[Nameless King]

Jun Watarase, on 04 December 2016 - 01:40 AM, said:

That is not what the question asked.

It makes no diff what the question was, they can do what they want with there money.

[TWIAFU]

dervishx5, on 04 December 2016 - 12:54 AM, said:

Probably would have retained more customers had they let us know what they were doing. I'm not sure the benefits for keeping it secret (press release) are going to outweigh the costs.

One thought;

If they decide to end that specific project the same people that are complaining about not knowing would complain again if they were told and it had to end for whatever reasons.

Same reason they don't tell us what mechs they are working on.

And yea, I'm fine with it because I have been involved with gaming industry long enough to know this is how things work, this is not some earth shattering news, just ignorance.

Edited by TWIAFU, 04 December 2016 - 07:15 AM.

[Steinar Bergstol]

Yes, I'm fine with it, because an MW5: Mercenaries single player game is exactly what I've wanted far more than a PvP multiplayer game like MWO ever since that first MW5 teaser with the Atlas and the Warhammer years ago.

Yeah, I'm a-okay with it.

[Valhallan]

Kaeb Odellas, on 04 December 2016 - 06:50 AM, said:

Uhhh Legendary Founder here. MWO didn't fulfill all my expectations, but I still enjoy the hell out of the game and I am absolutely pumped for a new single player Mechwarrior game.

And there is nothing wrong with that, just saying that the salt coming from founders actually has merit.

[Steinar Bergstol]

Valhallan, on 04 December 2016 - 06:45 AM, said:

Not going to deny that there are some bitter bitter vets, but the founders totally have a right to do it. All these you are only "customers" responses only applies to those who spent money after the game launched, For those who backed the game into creation they essentially paid for something that never arrived (MWO is a far cry from what was outlined), heck you should be glad they are only this salty because they could essentially do what those who backed no man's sky did and sue for refunds since it is kinda false advertising to promise something that ain't there.

Founder here and you're certainly not speaking for me. I enjoy MWO. It's not the Mechwarrior game of my dreams and it has many, many faults (such as too much customization of mechs), but I find it an enjoyable game still. Also, that UK watchdog group which was going to look into No Man's Sky for false advertising came out and said there were no grounds for such claims. The fact is that founder or not, we're all just customers and nothing more. Those of us who put in money early on have no more right to dictate what a game should be than anyone putting money in only in the last few months. To think that we do is simply... well... being unreasonably entitled in my opinion.

People simply need to be aware that if you pay for a game before it is ready then changes from what you _thought_ it would be may happen. Be it regular pre-orders, be it through kickstarter campaigns. Whatever. Don't assume that what you were pitched is what's going to 100% materialize, because changes _WILL_ always happen during development. If one cannot accept that then one needs to hold onto their money until the game is actually released and you know exactly what you are getting.

[L1f3H4ck]

Kaeb Odellas, on 04 December 2016 - 06:50 AM, said:

Uhhh Legendary Founder here. MWO didn't fulfill all my expectations, but I still enjoy the hell out of the game and I am absolutely pumped for a new single player Mechwarrior game.

I feel exactly the same. More Mechs are always better. And I DO want to buy a mechpack.

[kilgor]

Didn't most of the MWO community want a single player experience any way and stated that, so this is another way of addressing the community want. While I was too late to sign up as a founder, I've been with the game since I could do open beta and it's had its growing pains. I still hate how Faction Warfare was gutted like it was and hoped there would be some improvements other than a lazy make it IS vs Clan, but I hope the Unreal 4 engine will make for more possibilities with MWO.

[Alteran]

From a pure company perspective, they can spend that money on whatever they like. MW5, Transverse, Paperboy online or Bubble Bobble Extreme. It's their profits.

BUT....

Bryan Ekman sold this community on CW, with game immersive aspects that they have failed to deliver thus far. The funding required to rewrite code or implement new code to support those features... well we now know they have had. PGI choose not to.

Wallet closed.

[MauttyKoray]

Jun Watarase, on 04 December 2016 - 12:43 AM, said:

Poll : https://goo.gl/sGLtAC

Considering that they could have used the time/money to work on MWO instead, we might have CW phase 4 and the revamped skill tree now instead of "soon". Not to mention things like a proper matchmaking system (instead of the tiers system), fixed hit registration (just try playing at 250ms, hit registration is a mess), a proper critical hit system (the current one is a placeholder left over from beta....more than 4 years ago...), proper re-scale for ALL mechs, etc, etc....

Starting a new project when the current one is a mess seems like a terrible idea to me and is generally only used in business when you want to abandon the old project...I really have to wonder what kind of marketing research they did to conclude that this was a great idea.

The fact that 2016 was mostly mechpacks in terms of updates kind of proves that PGI doesn't have the resources to maintain two full development teams like what squaresoft does (they used to make only one final fantasy game at the same time, but they now work on two at the same time so that when one is released, the next game is halfway done).

To my knowledge, they had been saying that the team working on MW5 wasn't going to interfere or prevent progress from being made on MWO. Hence the number of people they've been hiring recently.

Personally? I wish that MW5 had been the other side of the coin for MWO, integrating it into the game and giving us a single player campaign, co-op missions, and possibly even opening those missions up for PvP scenarios. At the same time, I was hoping AI units, tanks, choppers, etc, would make it into MWO, specifically for the Faction Play aspect upgrading planet defenses and what not.

However...I'll take a MW5 thanks. If no one ever noticed, MWO actually runs smooth as butter in Training Grounds or the Academy due to lack of requiring net traffic between 24 different players and the server.

[Thunder Lips Express]

I support all development and resources going to MW 5. I haven't played mwo in about 6 months which is a shame for a doe hard battletech fan like me. It's too repetitive and I'm disappointed from the afterbirth of community warfare. I really wish PGI wasn't involved in MW 5 but if they're our only option then might as well start from scratch.

[Kylere]

When I buy bread at Kroger's they care very little about my input, when I buy stock they have annual meetings where they have to listen to stockholders. You cannot buy Bread (MC and Mechpacks) and expect ownership, not even with Kickstarter Games.

The only vote you have with PGI outside of ownership shares is choosing to play or not to play.

[0bsidion]

MW5 is, (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), what I believe a lot of people wanted in the first place. And let's face it, MWO, since it is centered around monetizing mech sales as their main source of income, was never likely to be anything more than a shallow stompy robot shoot'em up arena game.

So as long as MW5 doesn't even think about being anything other than a standard PC game with a single upfront cost, and we can assume some DLCs and/or expansions because that's our world these days, it at least has the potential to be the game I, and probably several other Battletech fans wanted in the first place.

But yeah, as far as the original question posed by the OP goes, it is a smart move to reinvest money made from one project into financing the next project. Much smarter than only having one project and riding it into the ground.

[Alteran]

Kylere, on 04 December 2016 - 08:02 AM, said:

The only vote you have with PGI outside of ownership shares is choosing to play or not to play.

Actually it's Pay or not to Pay.

That's your vote, that's how you get their attention.

Wallet still closed.

[Anunknownlurker]

It's their company, they can spend their money however they want. I am pretty sure there is no contractual obligation for them to spend revenue from MWO earnings purely on MWO development.

[Lightfoot]

A lot of things developed for MechWarrior 5 Mercs will improve MWO. MWO will get some PvE RP missioning to enhance FW quite possibly. We don't know yet, but I think having both games will make each into a much richer experience.

We asked for a singleplayer element to be added back in 2011-12 and PGI said they would when and if they could. At some point the two games will intersect I think either with group/solo PvE missioning in MWO or a direct linking of the two. But they are both MechWarrior with the same mechs and control systems or at least they better have (MW5 Mercs better have Joystick support!).

Players should be able to jump in between MWO and MW5:Mercs and not notice a major difference in how their mechs react to the controls. If it is completely different like say a gamepad aiming set-up it will split the player base and both will likely fail due to lower numbers. If you can just jump between the two and not notice any major difference it will be as if the two games are part of a greater whole rather than separate games.

[Hunka Junk]

It's better than some random other thing.

It explains why 2016 MWO development has been half-baked.

And, the MW5 announcement is essentially announcing the end of MWO development. Sure, it' "still very important". That means we still get to do more product testing and mech buying. What you see, though, is absolutely what you get.

This is the game.

Sig updated.

[Digous]

i for one am really looking foward to MW5:M!!!!