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[Kasumi Sumika]

Gaden Phoenix, on 06 December 2016 - 11:04 PM, said:

To me Gundam MS 08th Team was the most realistic mech show I have ever seen. The other quiet realistic one was Mobile Suit Gundam (the first one).

Those shows were at heart really shows about war and the soldiers fighting those wars (in big robots ).

Sadly no idea why, mech shows degraded after that to now you have WTF, Gundam Seed and all it's descendants. Mechs have gone from war machines to flying music platforms and/or Super Man replacements. And Pilots have gone from soldiers to antsy young kids, that have abilities that would make Luke Skywalker jealous. Oh also, I guess they must have stopped wearing Red Shirts because NO ONE (main characters) near EVER DIES!

Stardust Memories is also really good. It's not about Newtype-Ex-Machina or Space-Magic-bullcr@p just pure Ace Pilot and like Top Gun and Gundam combined.

[Snowbluff]

Kasumi Sumika, on 06 December 2016 - 11:36 PM, said:

Stardust Memories is also really good. It's not about Newtype-Ex-Machina or Space-Magic-bullcr@p just pure Ace Pilot and like Top Gun and Gundam combined.

That's the one with the magic nuke gun.

[Kasumi Sumika]

Snowbluff, on 06 December 2016 - 11:38 PM, said:

That's the one with the magic nuke gun.

At least that gundam is almost destroyed after firing nuke

Edited by Kasumi Sumika, 06 December 2016 - 11:43 PM.

[RestosIII]

Gaden Phoenix, on 06 December 2016 - 11:04 PM, said:

To me Gundam MS 08th Team was the most realistic mech show I have ever seen. The other quiet realistic one was Mobile Suit Gundam (the first one).

Those shows were at heart really shows about war and the soldiers fighting those wars (in big robots ).

Sadly no idea why, mech shows degraded after that to now you have WTF, Gundam Seed and all it's descendants. Mechs have gone from war machines to flying music platforms and/or Super Man replacements. And Pilots have gone from soldiers to antsy young kids, that have abilities that would make Luke Skywalker jealous. Oh also, I guess they must have stopped wearing Red Shirts because NO ONE (main characters) near EVER DIES!

I have a confession to make. I... never watched a single Gundam or Macross show. I just never knew where to start.

On the subject of mechas I have watched/read though, the more misery the main cast has, the better. In one of my favorites, literally the entire cast is dead by the end, and that's one of the ones with children pilots! (Not talking about Eva here. 12 dead kids in the one I'm talking about) Still, there's always the good fun time ones like Eureka Seven for when you want to turn your brain off for a day or two and don't care about realism.

(Damn phone, accidentally tapped post before finishing, then it refused to let me edit my post)

Edited by RestosIII, 06 December 2016 - 11:47 PM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Kasumi Sumika, on 06 December 2016 - 11:36 PM, said:

Stardust Memories is also really good. It's not about Newtype-Ex-Machina or Space-Magic-bullcr@p just pure Ace Pilot and like Top Gun and Gundam combined.

Ya'll mofo's need Gundam: Thunderblot.

Crippled Zeek pilots, and Jazz listening Feddie scum... and one kick arse Full Armor Gundam and Psycho Zaku to boot.

[Anjian]

I got to add how much the twin evils of Bandai and Sunrise help contribute to the state and staleness of mecha anime, leading to other anime genres to lap around them. I feel the really good mecha anime of late has nothing to do with Bandai or Sunrise, like Knights of Sidonia, the Fafner series --- anything the mecha shows that Xebec makes, Argevollen, Lagrange, feel different and awesome --- and I totally look forward for their resumption of Full Metal Panic in 2017.

Macross Delta from Studio Nue is a bit of a disappointment to me, I feel the show falls back to old formulas and didn't really push the boundary the way Macross Frontier did.

[Snowbluff]

Kasumi Sumika, on 06 December 2016 - 11:41 PM, said:

At least that gundam is almost destroyed after firing nuke

Hahaha.XD

RestosIII, on 06 December 2016 - 11:41 PM, said:

I have a confession to make. I... never watched a single Gundam or Macross show. I just never knew where to start.

On the subject of mechas I have watched/read though, the more misery the main cast has, the better. In one of my favorites, literally the entire cast is dead by the end, and that's one of the ones with children pilots! (Not talking about Eva here. 12 dead kids in the one I'm talking about) Still, there's always the good fun time ones like Eureka Seven for when you want to turn your brain off for a day or two and don't care about realism.

(Damn phone, accidentally tapped post before finishing, then it refused to let me edit my post)

Really, if you really want to understand the history of the Universal Century Timeline, the original series, Zeta, and ZZ are mandatory. 08th MS team (relatively high realism) and Unicorn (over the top nuance and animation) are my two favorites. Stardust Memory and War in a Pocket are pretty decent as well, but just like that I just suggested almost all of the UC timeline.

Edited by Snowbluff, 06 December 2016 - 11:50 PM.

[SpectreHD]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 06 December 2016 - 11:43 PM, said:

Ya'll mofo's need Gundam: Thunderblot.

Or Patlabor.

Edited by SpectreHD, 06 December 2016 - 11:54 PM.

[Kasumi Sumika]

RestosIII, on 06 December 2016 - 11:41 PM, said:

I have a confession to make. I... never watched a single Gundam or Macross show. I just never knew where to start.

I started watching Gundam Wing as a kid and that hooked me up with Mechas. I recommend watching Stardust Memories, 08th MS Team, and War in the Pocket. Build Fighter is alo good, but it have many fanservices and cliche shounen anime. Current Gundam series, Iron Blooded Orphans is good though you can watch freely here, Seasons two is currently on going.

As Macross I recommend 1982 original one. But Macross : Do You Remember Love if you want updated visual and since it's like all original series cramped into 1 movie.

RestosIII, on 06 December 2016 - 11:41 PM, said:

On the subject of mechas I have watched/read though, the more misery the main cast has, the better. In one of my favorites, literally the entire cast is dead by the end, and that's one of the ones with children pilots! (Not talking about Eva here. 12 dead kids in the one I'm talking about) Still, there's always the good fun time ones like Eureka Seven for when you want to turn your brain off for a day or two and don't care about realism.

(Damn phone, accidentally tapped post before finishing, then it refused to let me edit my post)

Isn't that Ideon ? That literally EVERYONE DIES including main character and noone alive. That make Tomino earn the tittle "Kill 'em all" ?

Edited by Kasumi Sumika, 07 December 2016 - 01:59 AM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

RestosIII, on 06 December 2016 - 11:41 PM, said:

I have a confession to make. I... never watched a single Gundam or Macross show. I just never knew where to start.

On the subject of mechas I have watched/read though, the more misery the main cast has, the better. In one of my favorites, literally the entire cast is dead by the end, and that's one of the ones with children pilots! (Not talking about Eva here. 12 dead kids in the one I'm talking about) Still, there's always the good fun time ones like Eureka Seven for when you want to turn your brain off for a day or two and don't care about realism.

(Damn phone, accidentally tapped post before finishing, then it refused to let me edit my post)

I'm kinda shocked you missed Gundam Wing at the very least, considering that was a mainstay on Toonami block over on Cartoon Network back in the early 00's.

With Gundam, if you want a "quick and dirty" version of the original: Watch the three Mobile Suit Gundam movies. This condenses the entire series of 50+ episodes, into about 6 hours. and cuts all the filler. Keep in mind though, that classic Gundam is a series from 1979, and it shows in the animation.

After that, Mobile Suit Gundam Zeta, and ZZ [double zeta] are your next two shows... Zeta's pretty good, but ZZ starts off a bit rough [get's a bit better after the halfway point.]

As many have said, if you're looking for realisim, 08th MS Team cannot be beat, it's gritty, and you can jump in not knowing much about gundam if you want, weighing in at only 13 episodes, it's a pretty fun watch.

Gundam 0080 Stardust Memory, and Gundam 0083 War in the Pocket are both pretty good, but can be a little, frustrating to watch through due to some characters.

After that is Unicorn, then Gundam F91. Unicorn is a lot of fun, but I recommend the OVA for better animation, they're remaking it as a TV series, but I'd argue the OVA's better. F91 is in the future of the timeline, and interesting in it's own right.

If you want something that's gundam related, but closer to "Super Robot" [think BigO or Gigantor] then Mobile Fighter G Gundam is your ticket, and revolves around a fighting tournament using gundam's with a full body control system instead of your standard joystick cockpits [think robot jox]

If you want some more scifi in your mecha. Gundam Wing, Gundam 00 are great series for that.

Gundam X kinda stands as a weird show that you can watch after the classic stuff if you want, but is it's own thing [there's a few of these actually. like Turn A gundam.]

AVOID GUNDAM SEED AND SEED DESTINY LIKE THE PLAGUE, THEY ARE LITERALLY EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THE MECHA GENRE CURRENTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SpectreHD]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 07 December 2016 - 12:01 AM, said:

Gundam 0080 Stardust Memory, and Gundam 0083 War in the Pocket are both pretty good, but can be a little, frustrating to watch through due to some characters.

Just a correction, Stardust Memory is 0083.

War in the Pocket is 0080.

And the Gundams in Stardust Memory was designed by our mecha Lord and Saviour, Shoji Kawamori.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

SpectreHD, on 07 December 2016 - 12:05 AM, said:

Just a correction, Stardust Memory is 0083.

War in the Pocket is 0080.

And the Gundams in Stardust Memory was designed by our mecha Lord and Saviour, Shoji Kawamori.

I always get those two confused. thanks for that. And while I'm glad for the Kawamori designs, I prefer the realisim of 08th ms team.

[Gaden Phoenix]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 07 December 2016 - 12:01 AM, said:

AVOID GUNDAM SEED AND SEED DESTINY LIKE THE PLAGUE, THEY ARE LITERALLY EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THE MECHA GENRE CURRENTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also the most popular mecha shows in recent years. I might go give Gundam Unicorn a try. I gave up on Gundam after watching Seed. Also old man see less anime and less able to relate to young kids.

Edited by Gaden Phoenix, 07 December 2016 - 12:12 AM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Gaden Phoenix, on 07 December 2016 - 12:10 AM, said:

Also the most popular mecha shows in recent years. I might go give Gundam Unicorn a try. I gave up on Gundam after watching Seed. Also old man see less anime, less able to relate to young kids.

Give Gundam: The Origin ova series a go too... it's a prequel to original MSG... and looks amazing.

[SpectreHD]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 07 December 2016 - 12:08 AM, said:

I always get those two confused. thanks for that. And while I'm glad for the Kawamori designs, I prefer the realisim of 08th ms team.

Definitely. The Ez8 is my favourite Gundam.

[RestosIII]

Thanks for all the advice everyone, I'll try to remember to finally get around to watching them.

Kasumi Sumika, on 06 December 2016 - 11:55 PM, said:

Isn't that Ideon ? That literally EVERYONE DIES including main character and noone alive. That make Tomino earn the tittle "Kill 'em all" ?

Nope. Can't for the life of me remember the name of the manga, but it wasn't that. I really need to make a list of what I've read/watched already...

[jjm1]

Maybe it was because FASAs old designs ripped of Japanese IP:



#burn

[ice trey]

Fasa licensed it out, but it was Group SNE at the helm with artistic help from Studio NUE, the company that made the original Macross.

The core Battletech product that they got was the same as Battletech 2nd edition boxed set. That meant that all the cardboard standies that they would get would be unseen - unseen that were copyrighted artwork from Japan, in their own birthplace. It'd be like cutting and pasting X-wings, the USS Enterprise, and maybe a few Space marines in to a game and trying to call it your own. They had to completely redesign the 'mechs in order to make them unrecognisable from the Macross/Dougram counterparts while still making them match the stats they were given.

As for the in-house designs from Fasa? If they left them as is, they'd stick out like a sore thumb compared to the newly redesigned Japanese mechs, so they had a heyday with those, too.

Interesting fact: There was never Japanese artwork for the Atlas. All the 'mechs they got artwork from were the contents of Battletech 2nd edition, and Citytech, 1st edition. Neither included the Atlas.

None of these mechs were made into pewter minis outside of a few fan kitbashes, though. The game was published in Japan in 1992, and by 1996, the Super Famicom had released titles like Front Mission that had a similar hit locations system. It was doomed to die. Cardgames rule in Japan, RPGs have a trickle of content from one or two publishers, and for Wargames like Battletech... it's all but completely dead. Even 40K struggles to find any relevance in Tokyo, god forbid anywhere else...

Edited by ice trey, 07 December 2016 - 02:48 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Brenden, on 06 December 2016 - 08:57 PM, said:

And this is why I don't like Japanese Mecha anime. Nothing seems grounded in realism.

yep and why it never went popular in the western worlds, the yjapanese overdid that entire stuff. Same with drgaon ball and some other IP's which went totally aboard of whatever is havign a point.

RestosIII, on 06 December 2016 - 09:08 PM, said:

I don't know what you're talking about, Evangelion is totally realistic! Geometry kills!

evangelion isn't about mechas, but suffers the same "whants pyhsics?" issues like too many animes do.

Edited by Lily from animove, 07 December 2016 - 02:42 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I'm expecting each one of those Japanese Battlemechs to have a huge power cord trailing out the back