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[Oh_That_Guy]

The 28 million cbills to join puff gone... mercstar stole my and every other members money and no recourse...

[RestosIII]

[Bombast]

Not to be an *** or anything, but... units that require admission fees are prone to things like this. It's like CS:GO trades going bad - Of COURSE you're going to get ripped off. The only people taking fees/trading are scammers.

EVE Online is, of course, an exception to that. But isn't EVE always an exception?

[Imperius]

Who would pay to join any unit?

[RestosIII]

Imperius, on 11 December 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

Who would pay to join any unit?

Grade A suckers, that's who. Even a Clan Diamond Shark unit wouldn't have an outrageous entry fee like that.

[El Bandito]

Any reason given for such behavior? You can certainly contact PGI about this.

[RestosIII]

El Bandito, on 11 December 2016 - 07:36 PM, said:

Any reason given for such behavior? You can certainly contact PGI about this.

Can he? I thought that units were basically supposed to just be a "community polices itself" policy. Could be wrong though.

[Bombast]

RestosIII, on 11 December 2016 - 07:36 PM, said:

Grade A suckers, that's who. Even a Clan Diamond Shark unit wouldn't have an outrageous entry fee like that.

Yah. They would have stretched that fee out into 12 easy, monthly payments, and thrown in a second invite for free, but only if you ORDER NOW!!!

[TheArisen]

28 million just to join? That's just crazy.

[EgoSlayer]

Imperius, on 11 December 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

Who would pay to join any unit?

Anyone who want's to join a unit. The only way a unit gets the C-Bills to pay for the member invite ticket is from the members donating to the coffers. Pretty obvious that many units are going to make the new members reimburse the coffers for the invite ticket costs once they are in.

Edited by EgoSlayer, 11 December 2016 - 07:44 PM.

[RestosIII]

Bombast, on 11 December 2016 - 07:39 PM, said:

Yah. They would have stretched that fee out into 12 easy, monthly payments, and thrown in a second invite for free, but only if you ORDER NOW!!!

Sounds more like Clan Ice Weasel. They were a competing business on Strana Mechty until we showed that they had created what we call a pyramid scheme. Nasty business there. We are the only ones who still hold the records of their existance, since they were the only Clan I know of to fall apart completely due to economic unrest.

[Imperius]

EgoSlayer, on 11 December 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Anyone who want's to join a unit. The only way a unit gets the C-Bills to pay for the member invite ticket is from the members donating to the coffers. Pretty obvious that many units are going to make the new members reimburse the coffers for the invite ticket costs once they are in.

Lol still wouldn't do it well people wanted an economy so I don't feel sorry for those who asked for it.

[Lukoi Banacek]

RestosIII, on 11 December 2016 - 07:36 PM, said:

Grade A suckers, that's who. Even a Clan Diamond Shark unit wouldn't have an outrageous entry fee like that.

Actually the unit doesn't set the price, PGI does. It scales based on the size of the unit. As your unit increases in size, the cost per invitation goes up.

For example, we spend about 2.5 million from our coffers for anyone who gets an invitation from us. It's non-negotiable. It comes right out of the unit coffer. Some units ask new hires to reimburse the unit for the cost of that invitation. Seems fair as it prevents people from joining your unit just drain the coffers or whatever. Unfortunately with PGI's scaling system (in an effort to curtail unit sizes for FP -- where it hasn't mattered in a loooong time) never being adjusted as FP fell outta vogue, things like this can happen.

Given MS's dissolution and return to it's previous units, undoubtedly some miscommunications like this were bound to occur.

[El Bandito]

RestosIII, on 11 December 2016 - 07:38 PM, said:

Can he? I thought that units were basically supposed to just be a "community polices itself" policy. Could be wrong though.

PGI should care about it, if it has anything to do with community performing fraud-like actions. Don't know the whole story here though...

Edited by El Bandito, 11 December 2016 - 08:13 PM.

[EgoSlayer]

Imperius, on 11 December 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

Lol still wouldn't do it well people wanted an economy so I don't feel sorry for those who asked for it.

I don't know that anyone asked for membership fees to join a unit. This type of issue in the OP is the first thing that came to my mind when PGI announced this. It doesn't have the effect desired and becomes a griefing method.

[Imperius]

EgoSlayer, on 11 December 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:

I don't know that anyone asked for membership fees to join a unit. This type of issue in the OP is the first thing that came to my mind when PGI announced this. It doesn't have the effect desired and becomes a griefing method.

Well last time I checked very few have really ever enjoyed an economy game.

Making one person pay that much is stupid. Units should all pitch in an equal amount but again imagine the community destroying itself again.

PGI may remove the join price but I doubt it.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Imperius, on 11 December 2016 - 08:16 PM, said:

Well last time I checked very few have really ever enjoyed an economy game.

Making one person pay that much is stupid. Units should all pitch in an equal amount but again imagine the community destroying itself again.

PGI may remove the join price but I doubt it.

No one in the community ever said let's have an economy that rickrolls it's playerbase. You're misrepresenting things there. This is PGI's scaling, not any units.

[Bishop Steiner]

EgoSlayer, on 11 December 2016 - 07:42 PM, said:

Anyone who want's to join a unit. The only way a unit gets the C-Bills to pay for the member invite ticket is from the members donating to the coffers. Pretty obvious that many units are going to make the new members reimburse the coffers for the invite ticket costs once they are in.

doesn't cost 28 mil to join.....

But sort of...curious what's up... since this guy has 6 posts... and no one else seem sot be saying anything... just kind of curious what's going on.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 11 December 2016 - 08:29 PM.

[El Bandito]

Imperius, on 11 December 2016 - 08:16 PM, said:

Well last time I checked very few have really ever enjoyed an economy game.

Making one person pay that much is stupid. Units should all pitch in an equal amount but again imagine the community destroying itself again.

PGI may remove the join price but I doubt it.

When I joined MGA, it was free, but I think the unit paid about 1.5-2 million from its coffers (127 members there before me). Of course, I voluntarily donated to them more than that amount.

PGI set this fee to discourage huge units but it certainly is not working.

Lukoi Banacek, on 11 December 2016 - 08:25 PM, said:

This is PGI's scaling, not any units.

In the case of [-MS-], it is probably different. It is more about paying helluva extra than PGI's set amount, to earn the privilege of joining a proven CW unit.

Edited by El Bandito, 11 December 2016 - 08:37 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 December 2016 - 08:28 PM, said:

doesn't cost 28 mil to join.....

Actually in larger units, it can absolutely get that high or higher per invitation. At just 50 members we pay 2.5+ per invitation at this point. And it goes up every invite.

Edited by Lukoi Banacek, 11 December 2016 - 08:36 PM.