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[Gas Guzzler]

Viktor Drake, on 14 December 2016 - 08:42 AM, said:

There aren't unusable, they are just unreliable.

Well, on the -A with 2 ER PPCs and 3 UAC5s (unbasiced) I have played 4 matches, with an average damage of 887 and a KDR of 11 (11 kills, 1 death). It's pretty hot, so I'm sure getting it all elited out will help, but "unreliable" hasn't been my experience.

Then, I also am pretty careful of when I "commit", so if I get a bunch of jams I leave myself enough space to disengage.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Gas Guzzler, on 14 December 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

Well, on the -A with 2 ER PPCs and 3 UAC5s (unbasiced) I have played 4 matches, with an average damage of 887 and a KDR of 11 (11 kills, 1 death). It's pretty hot, so I'm sure getting it all elited out will help, but "unreliable" hasn't been my experience.

Then, I also am pretty careful of when I "commit", so if I get a bunch of jams I leave myself enough space to disengage.

That is the way to do it

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Yeonne Greene, on 13 December 2016 - 11:47 PM, said:

Hmmm, for the TBR analogy, "poor man's" is not the term I would use. Closer to "rich man's." I'm giving up 7 kph and in exchange I get way more armor, a fourth jump jet, and more DHS. Seems like a net win.

Idk if that fourth jump jet actually nets you more jumps than it does on a Timby (being heftier and a different jump jet class), and since it is larger and costs you an assault slot instead of a heavy, I'm gonna go with poor man's Timby still.

Gas Guzzler, on 14 December 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

Then, I also am pretty careful of when I "commit", so if I get a bunch of jams I leave myself enough space to disengage.

Which given it has ERPPCs, you wanna be careful when you "commit" anyway since it is fairly hot.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 14 December 2016 - 09:16 AM.

[Omniseed]

I'm running my MAD-IIC-A with a STD300 engine and three UAC/10, I wonder how this is going to go

[Battlemaster56]

Still trying to level my MADIIC-Prime, with 3 lpl and 4 ermed and man it's a ***** to play with during the XMAS event. Lurm boats everywhere searching for an easy kill.

[Snowbluff]

Omniseed, on 14 December 2016 - 09:15 AM, said:

I'm running my MAD-IIC-A with a STD300 engine and three UAC/10, I wonder how this is going to go

iv e been considering 300 standard builds. That would let the A and C run double gauss.

[Bandilly]

Viktor Drake, on 14 December 2016 - 08:42 AM, said:

I went Dual UAC/10 on my D variant for 1 match and 1 match only because first target I fired out, both UAC/10 jammed on first trigger pull.

The D isn't for autocannons, not enough back up hard points unless you mount ERPPCs or LPL with them...or up them to UAC20s.

The D works great with Guass. My D has a 69 point alpha, I think that point alone makes it the perfect set up...

[Snazzy Dragon]

Snowbluff, on 14 December 2016 - 09:26 AM, said:

iv e been considering 300 standard builds. That would let the A and C run double gauss.

Personally I find this mech extremely sluggish with anything less than an XL 340. And with a std 300, you are at the mercy of NASCAR warriors if you intend to ever use the gauss rifles from a good spot.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Snazzy Dragon, on 14 December 2016 - 09:29 AM, said:

Personally I find this mech extremely sluggish with anything less than an XL 340. And with a std 300, you are at the mercy of NASCAR warriors if you intend to ever use the gauss rifles from a good spot.

If you have ever piloted Whales and Dakka Maulers, then running a STD 300 is something you can get away with. For example I run the C with a STD 260 to fit 2 Gauss/2 ERPPC.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 December 2016 - 09:37 AM, said:

If you have ever piloted Whales and Dakka Maulers, then running a STD 300 is something you can get away with. For example I run the C with a STD 260 to fit 2 Gauss/2 ERPPC.

Don't get me wrong, I love whales and maulers. I just don't enjoy watching my team stretch out into an extended congo line, watch them get picked off one by one, and being too slow to do something about it. Assuming the enemy locusts don't see the congo line and come around back to visit the assault

Edited by Snazzy Dragon, 14 December 2016 - 09:41 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 14 December 2016 - 09:37 AM, said:

If you have ever piloted Whales and Dakka Maulers, then running a STD 300 is something you can get away with. For example I run the C with a STD 260 to fit 2 Gauss/2 ERPPC.

Yeah I had time to squeeze one match in with that build. Seems like it would be okay, but not really ideal. I think the Boiler will be a better candidate for that role (the non-KDK-3 PPFLD role that is).

[Snazzy Dragon]

Gas Guzzler, on 14 December 2016 - 09:45 AM, said:

Yeah I had time to squeeze one match in with that build. Seems like it would be okay, but not really ideal. I think the Boiler will be a better candidate for that role (the non-KDK-3 PPFLD role that is).

I completely forgot about the supernova chassis. That thing.. I feel bad for those that have invested in it. Enjoy replacing all those STD 270s with XLs...

[Gas Guzzler]

Snazzy Dragon, on 14 December 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

I completely forgot about the supernova chassis. That thing.. I feel bad for those that have invested in it. Enjoy replacing all those STD 270s with XLs...

I did. I couldn't resist the aesthetics.

Especially looking forward to the SNV-C and the Boiler.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Gas Guzzler, on 14 December 2016 - 09:45 AM, said:

Yeah I had time to squeeze one match in with that build. Seems like it would be okay, but not really ideal. I think the Boiler will be a better candidate for that role (the non-KDK-3 PPFLD role that is).

The difference is that you can side poke which is what the KDK-3 can do and is the reason while the KDK-4 isn't as good, is still probably the second best Clan assault. As for the Boiler can't side poke because of that Gauss on the other side, and we don't know how the hitboxes will be (so it may not be able to spread damage as well).

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 14 December 2016 - 09:52 AM.

[DGTLDaemon]

I've found two loadouts that I'm comfortable with: MAD-IIC with 2xLPL+5ERML+TC1 (380 XL engine) and MAD-IIC-A with 2xUAC10+4xERML (375 XL engine). Still having trouble making a viable loadout for MAD-IIC-B that wouldn't involve LRMs...

[Snazzy Dragon]

DGTLDaemon, on 14 December 2016 - 09:54 AM, said:

I've found two loadouts that I'm comfortable with: MAD-IIC with 2xLPL+5ERML+TC1 (380 XL engine) and MAD-IIC-A with 2xUAC10+4xERML (375 XL engine). Still having trouble making a viable loadout for MAD-IIC-B that wouldn't involve LRMs...

Might as well replace the 2 uac10s with 3 uac5s. More dps, less jam time, more dakka. As for the MAD-IIC-B: I''m very close to selling it. No jumpjets, limited energy hardpoints, limited missile hardpoints; nothing about it is appealing to me. It seems undergunned or too hot for an assault role no matter what you do with it.

[DGTLDaemon]

Snazzy Dragon, on 14 December 2016 - 09:58 AM, said:

Might as well replace the 2 uac10s with 3 uac5s. More dps, less jam time, more dakka.

Doesn't work like that, unfortunately The only way I can make a viable 3xUAC5+4xERML build is by dropping down all the way to an XL350-360 engine, and that's way too slow for me.

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As for the MAD-IIC-B: I''m very close to selling it. No jumpjets, limited energy hardpoints, limited missile hardpoints; nothing about it is appealing to me. It seems undergunned or too hot for an assault role no matter what you do with it.

I think I'll just basic it (because I need it to master the other variants) and leave it.

Edited by DGTLDaemon, 14 December 2016 - 10:02 AM.

[GabrielSun]

I'm underwhelmed by the majority of the chassis choices, but there are some good ones. And I base my quantitative 'good' off both fun and productive to varying degrees of each.

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Gas Guzzler, on 14 December 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

Well, on the -A with 2 ER PPCs and 3 UAC5s (unbasiced) I have played 4 matches, with an average damage of 887 and a KDR of 11 (11 kills, 1 death). It's pretty hot, so I'm sure getting it all elited out will help, but "unreliable" hasn't been my experience.

Then, I also am pretty careful of when I "commit", so if I get a bunch of jams I leave myself enough space to disengage.

However in your case, they aren't your primary weapon, the ER PPCs are. You also have 3 UAC/5s so there is less of a chance of all 3 of them jammed at the same moment. Finally the jam duration is smaller on the UAC/5s.

Boated or as a backup/secondary weapon, UACs are ok. It is when they are your primary source of damage that they become a major liability especially if your only running just one of them. Also the problems I had that one match aren't something you will experience every match but the fact that it happens even 1 out of 4-5 matches is too much.

Look at it this way. How would you feel if you were giving a M16 told, "Here is your M16, now when it works your going to be able to engage the enemy effectively but about twice in every 30 round magazine your going to suffer a Jam and it is going to take you 10 seconds each time to clear it" Sorry but that weapon isn't even going to clear military trials before being rejected as defective and I sure as hell wouldn't want to bet my life on a gun that was going to jam on me every 15-20 rounds I fired.

[Y E O N N E]

Snazzy Dragon, on 14 December 2016 - 09:58 AM, said:

Might as well replace the 2 uac10s with 3 uac5s. More dps, less jam time, more dakka. As for the MAD-IIC-B: I''m very close to selling it. No jumpjets, limited energy hardpoints, limited missile hardpoints; nothing about it is appealing to me. It seems undergunned or too hot for an assault role no matter what you do with it.

The B has jump jets. It is the 8 that doesn't.