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[KingCobra]

Why doesn't PGI hire someone with half of a functioning brain?"



I tried to get hired to run and fix the game but they said I was on my own island? Go figure.

[C H E E K I E Z]

/Shrug i for one welcome the new 265 drop decks

[BLOOD WOLF]

cheekiez, on 13 December 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

/Shrug i for one welcome the new 265 drop decks

Here goes a guy that spends his effort in winning and not whining. Good man

Too many potato players, thinking its everything else but their skill

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 13 December 2016 - 10:34 PM.

[nehebkau]

BLOOD WOLF, on 13 December 2016 - 10:32 PM, said:

Here goes a guy that spends his effort in winning and not whining. Good man

Too many potato players, thinking its everything else but their skill

Ah so the results from one game where a player did 3.5k damage and the best player on the other team DC'd are enough to convince you that everything is alright?

<mind blown>

[Monkey Lover]

[BLOOD WOLF]

nehebkau, on 13 December 2016 - 10:44 PM, said:

Ah so the results from one game where a player did 3.5k damage and the best player on the other team DC'd are enough to convince you that everything is alright?

<mind blown>

yea,thats what you think I said.

what I actually said and what I mean, is that how did they win, and not the other teams? what do they do differently?

luck?, maybe they went against the weaker team?, maybe they made a victory. rather than think on that, some people want to whine on the forums and have PGI program crutches for them to win matches.

I can tell you, My unit did not win every match we went against, and most of the time the enemy team just made the better moves. If I sound Like I am repeating myself its because I said the same thing in regards to the tourney.

Teams lose, and others win, and some come to the forums and complain.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 13 December 2016 - 10:50 PM.

[nehebkau]

BLOOD WOLF, on 13 December 2016 - 10:45 PM, said:

yea,thats what you think I said.

what actually said and what I mean, is that how did they win, and not the other teams? what do they do differently?

They had 3 competitive players on their team and the other team was pugs where their top player DCd -- not hard to figure out. The fact that you couldn't piece this together makes me think you are purposely myopic in this regard. Likewise it seems that you regard this as constituting that the game works just fine.....

<gobsmacked>

Edited by nehebkau, 13 December 2016 - 10:49 PM.

[MischiefSC]

BLOOD WOLF, on 13 December 2016 - 10:32 PM, said:

Here goes a guy that spends his effort in winning and not whining. Good man

Too many potato players, thinking its everything else but their skill

Pug v pug match with a couple IS players going FULL CARRY and the Clans with a disco.

Your 'this one time in band camp' view of the world and balance is problematic. Just because this one time in this one match the IS team won doesn't change what the stats for the day look like.

I've said before and will repeat again, just for you, I think IS v Clan balance in FW is about as close as it's ever been. There's a couple of niche encounters (Kodiaks on Vitric for example) where two equally skilled TEAMS of players will favor the Clans but otherwise it's pretty close.

Pugs are another matter. Due to fixed engines most Clan teams, even with pugs, have similar speed profiles for the major majority of mechs. Clans can be a little easier to build a drop deck for. Beyond which the low Clan pug population made it very appealing to units who've gravitated there more and more over time.

The issue right now is units vs pugs far more than tech imbalance.

[justcallme A S H]

cheekiez, on 13 December 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

/Shrug i for one welcome the new 265 drop decks

nice one brah!

This was my first one...

Edited by justcallme A S H, 13 December 2016 - 10:53 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

nehebkau, on 13 December 2016 - 10:48 PM, said:

They had 3 competitive players on their team and the other team was pugs where their top player DCd -- not hard to figure out. The fact that you couldn't piece this together makes me think you are purposely myopic in this regard. Likewise it seems that you regard this as constituting that the game works just fine.....

<gobsmacked>

so your useless insults get you nowhere and your own post betray you. You listed things that are variables and at best not inherent flaws in 4.1, rather just the facts of the match.

The fact is you just lose more than you win. Complain harder.

[Monkey Lover]

BLOOD WOLF, on 13 December 2016 - 10:45 PM, said:

yea,thats what you think I said.

what I actually said and what I mean, is that how did they win, and not the other teams? what do they do differently?

luck?, maybe they went against the weaker team?, maybe they made a victory. rather than think on that, some people want to whine on the forums and have PGI program crutches for them to win matches.

I can tell you, My unit did not win every match we went against, and most of the time the enemy team just made the better moves. If I sound Like I am repeating myself its because I said the same thing in regards to the tourney.

Teams lose, and others win, and some come to the forums and complain.

they won because they were fighting tier 5 pugs.... 1,dc, 1 that shouldn't have even connected and 6 sub 200 dmg per mech scores.

Next week every one of these will not be playing anymore. Pugs will go back to group q and CW will be with more equal skilled units again.

When you have equal skilled teams clans are winning right now.

[nehebkau]

justcallme A S H, on 13 December 2016 - 10:52 PM, said:

nice one brah!

This was my first one...

Carry harder much? Lol!

[C H E E K I E Z]

nehebkau, on 13 December 2016 - 10:44 PM, said:

Ah so the results from one game where a player did 3.5k damage and the best player on the other team DC'd are enough to convince you that everything is alright?

<mind blown>

I mean, i can post screenshots for days, i play innersphere and clan, there are many people i know do the same things i do every day in both IS and Clan. And honestly i prefer my IS mechs over my clan mechs, This game is 95% won by information, the more you have about your enemy the better you do. Watching laser fire so you know when you are safe to poke out, Counting alpha's by mechs you trading with so you know when they are overheating, Dealing damage without taking damage is one of the hardest things to do in the game, and its the bigget thing people don't do well. (aside torso twist). There is a meta much higher than just clan range wins, or innersphere structure is op.

[Natred]

The good inner sphere units were prolly not online.. so quick to judge harshly for the clans.

[MischiefSC]

justcallme A S H, on 13 December 2016 - 10:52 PM, said:

nice one brah!

This was my first one...

You should have carried harder, did your team have enough LRMs?

[justcallme A S H]

cheekiez, on 13 December 2016 - 10:53 PM, said:

I mean, i can post screenshots for days, i play innersphere and clan, there are many people i know do the same things i do every day in both IS and Clan. And honestly i prefer my IS mechs over my clan mechs, This game is 95% won by information, the more you have about your enemy the better you do. Watching laser fire so you know when you are safe to poke out, Counting alpha's by mechs you trading with so you know when they are overheating, Dealing damage without taking damage is one of the hardest things to do in the game, and its the bigget thing people don't do well. (aside torso twist). There is a meta much higher than just clan range wins, or innersphere structure is op.

Spot on man, absolutely spot on. It's not just about blindly shooting or sticking your head around a corner.

I prefer IS as well - torso twisting FTW.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 13 December 2016 - 10:55 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

MischiefSC, on 13 December 2016 - 10:50 PM, said:

Your 'this one time in band camp' view of the world and balance is problematic.

I am not going to address a strawman. I am done with that, and it gets me nowhere.
My view is what did that team do to win, because clearly the IS can win. If they can win, then they can win a majority.

Thats my main point, but continue to straw man, I will even put it in bold so its obvious when you do attempt another fallacious statement.

Monkey Lover, on 13 December 2016 - 10:53 PM, said:

they won because they were fighting tier 5 pugs.... 1,dc, 1 that shouldn't have even connected and 6 sub 200 dmg per mech scores.

Next week every one of these will not be playing anymore. Pugs will go back to group q and CW will be with more equal skilled units again.

When you have equal skilled teams clans are winning right now.

Thats not an inherent problem of 4.1 as the thread suggest. This game is going to be built on unequal skill levels. You can't get around that.

The only solutions I hear is separate the teirs and even the MM in quick does not not do it perfectly. maybe Low skills shouldn't play FW, until they reach the necessary level.

Imagine if they had a strict MM, and no teir 1 could be matched with 3 and below and all matches were invalid if the group could not be found. That's ridiculous and the wait times for some people would skyrocket.

Also you do not know what teir those players were, so unless you can show me both sides had not higher teirs I won't accept that claim.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 13 December 2016 - 11:02 PM.

[nehebkau]

BLOOD WOLF, on 13 December 2016 - 10:52 PM, said:

so your useless insults get you nowhere and your own post betray you. You listed things that are variables and at best not inherent flaws in 4.1, rather just the facts of the match.

The fact is you just lose more than you win. Complain harder.

You ignore logic more that Mr Trump and then when you are proven wrong you go completely off on some orbital tangent calling the sky orange, round square and a duck a apple. Do you not understand logic or do you regard logic as something that you make up on the fly and can change the rules whenever you see fit? (these are not attacks but observations and actual questions designed to understand why you seem to have such a skewed perspective) As soon as things go against you you then start with personal attacks to deflect when someone has actually answered your question. I understand you are following the 2nd law of modern business "He who claims it first is right even if they are wrong." and I am not going to let you off. So, just in case you just have trouble reading:

The match above is not indicative of the overall state of FW matches because:
1. One side had 3 competitive players.
2. One side had 0 competitive players
3. One side had 11 players while the other side had 12.
4. One side had a player secure an incredible amount of kills and an outstanding amount of damage.

Those three factors produced a match that was not indicative of the current game-play outcomes as seen in FW and as evidenced by the end results of the last attack phase where the Clan side controlled 100% of status bar. The one game where IS won by a convincing margin is a statistical anomaly and can only be used to draw conclusions about that game alone.

cheekiez, on 13 December 2016 - 10:53 PM, said:

I mean, i can post screenshots for days, i play innersphere and clan, there are many people i know do the same things i do every day in both IS and Clan. And honestly i prefer my IS mechs over my clan mechs, This game is 95% won by information, the more you have about your enemy the better you do. Watching laser fire so you know when you are safe to poke out, Counting alpha's by mechs you trading with so you know when they are overheating, Dealing damage without taking damage is one of the hardest things to do in the game, and its the bigget thing people don't do well. (aside torso twist). There is a meta much higher than just clan range wins, or innersphere structure is op.

There are too many pug / newbies on the IS side flooding the queue and too many IS people who have become frustrated by the KDK3's previous god-like status and stopped playing FW. Really, FW now needs to have a match maker otherwise FW 4.1 will end up the same way as FW 3.0. We also have to consider how much more newbie friendly clan mechs are than IS mechs -- and they are. How? Its harder to completely screw up a clan build (you can still do it but its harder).

Seriously, there is a reason that PGI had to put in changing weight limits in group play... and if we wait long enough bloodwaif will come tell us it was because we lose too much.

Edited by nehebkau, 13 December 2016 - 11:09 PM.

[Count Zero 74]

I still remember when we had a 260 ton deck, fun times....



and now I get 265? Oh boy...

[BLOOD WOLF]

Not gonna address you anymore nehe. I am clearly addressing you but if you want to keep stating that I am not when I am, go back and actually read my post.

I don't have time for strawmans tonight.

What players need to do is start evaluating what they need to do in a match to win it.

clan units lose their matches as well, and if you can beat it, then you can beat it more than it beats you.

Stop crying and get better.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 13 December 2016 - 11:09 PM.