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[Felicitatem Parco]

Am I right in saying that the Command Console equipment present in the Atlas AS7-D-DC, as listed in the Mechwarrior Online Wiki, will allow 2 players to jointly command a Atlas?

I know it's not like a Dual Cockpit where 1 person pilots and 1 person guns... but a Mech with a Command Console is a 2-pilot Mech by design and function!

Devs, is this an intended feature of the game?

*shudders with anticipation*

[Hayden]

Prosperity Park, on 12 December 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

Am I right in saying that the Command Console equipment present in the Atlas AS7-D-DC, as listed in the Mechwarrior Online Wiki, will allow 2 players to jointly command a Atlas?

I know it's not like a Dual Cockpit where 1 person pilots and 1 person guns... but a Mech with a Command Console is a 2-pilot Mech by design and function!

Devs, is this an intended feature of the game?

*shudders with anticipation*

I'm hoping we don't end up shuddering with something else... (Like disappointment...)

[Kristov Kerensky]

The 2nd person in that Atlas config(there's other Mechs with that as well) does NOTHING to control the Mech directly, ever. The 2nd person is sitting in front of a console getting direct real time(hopefully!) intel feeds on the battlefield from the other Mechs in the field, infantry in the field, aerofighters in the area and sat feeds(again, hopefully) and directs the course of battle due to this.

In other words..that 2nd person just sits in the Mech and gives orders to the people actually using the Mechs

[Barantor]

Remember that wiki's are often filled out by random people....

[Felicitatem Parco]

Well, this MWO wiki is filled in directly from the Sarna Wiki... but the Mech's "stat box" is filled out with an equipment listing for Command Console. This Command Console gives an additional *fully redundant* set of Mech piloting controls, plus it gives access to command/communications functions for the person who's not piloting at the moment.

If the Mech experiences a cockpit-kill, the backup pilot is still alive to pilot the Mech in combat, so it's not out of the fray yet.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 12 December 2011 - 03:42 PM.

[Barantor]

The AS7-D-DC Lyran version of the Atlas has that console, listed on the Sarna wiki too.

Command Console
http://www.sarna.net...Command_Console

Some folks have just been copy/pasting from sarna is all or paraphrasing. I wouldn't put more stock in it at all until a dev says yay or nay.

[S3dition]

Kristov Kerensky, on 12 December 2011 - 03:05 PM, said:

The 2nd person in that Atlas config(there's other Mechs with that as well) does NOTHING to control the Mech directly, ever. The 2nd person is sitting in front of a console getting direct real time(hopefully!) intel feeds on the battlefield from the other Mechs in the field, infantry in the field, aerofighters in the area and sat feeds(again, hopefully) and directs the course of battle due to this.

In other words..that 2nd person just sits in the Mech and gives orders to the people actually using the Mechs

Page 60 of Maximum Tech - "Though the command consoles do not normally operate the battlemech, they may do so if necessary." ... "If the primary cockpit is destroyed, the secondary pilot can maneuver the BattleMech from the command console as normal. This is an exception to the standard rule stating that the destruction of a cockpit destroys the 'mech. In 'mechs with command consoles, both cockpits and and consoles must be destroyed in order to destroy the 'mech."

It also describes the second cockpits as being fully functional with all the controls of a standard cockpit, plus their command and control systems.

So, yes, it does control the mech.

[Kristov Kerensky]

S3dition..I've never used the MaxTech, we used the older books and rules, and CC's originally didn't allow control of the Mech, which was probably why we never actually used them Some poor slob just along for the ride while giving out orders..yeah..none of us were hot on that idea.

As for us getting that in the game...uh...really don't see that happening myself, especially since PGI has made it clear, you, the MechWarrior, can't be killed in MWO, rather silly to have a 2nd seat that could take over if you died

[S3dition]

You could go unconscious though. Still, I doubt they would include it. It's a lot of work and programming for a very niche role that won't add a lot to the game. Maybe in a future update.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Maybe..but..doubt it, I really can't see all that many people who'd want to just ride shotgun in a Mech and not actually be able to do anything WITH the Mech, since there's no way they(PGI) could actually give 2 players control of a single Mech without all kinds of bad things happening.

Now..for those truely die hard Commanders, those without any twitch skills or the ability to really multitask in a combat enviroment...yeah...I could see this being something they'd like...maybe.

[Big Willie]

I am all for Command Seat mechs.
BUT for 1 ton you get 3rd person view. I'm not even sure it is worth 1 ton, maybe a micro transaction. but that is where I place the value of dual seat mechs (atlas, battlemaster, fleat, etc)

[Riptor]

Highly doubt you will have 2 people in one mech... its simply unpractical also your mechpilot is suposed to do both.. be a commander and pilot his or her own mech.

Also it would lead to all kinds of trouble about who owns the mech and who has the rights to mod it and stuff like that. Simply unrealistic.

[WhiteRabbit]

I guess it could be fun for a mission or two sometimes, where one guy coordinates artillery while the other does the regular stuff …… it’s just that (for me) it wouldn’t be fun to do it on a regular base
Regarding the wiki --> isn’t it a third party site? If it’s so, I wouldn’t take everything that’s written there overly serious

[Seth]

Prosperity Park, on 12 December 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

Am I right in saying that the Command Console equipment present in the Atlas AS7-D-DC, as listed in the Mechwarrior Online Wiki, will allow 2 players to jointly command a Atlas?

Keep in mind much of what is on the battlemech pages on the MWOwiki is basically acting like a place holder for when the game is released. Currently, they just list the variants available in 3048 in the BattleTech universe. Once actual information is released, I can easily plug it into the existing framework on those pages. Unfortunately, I don't have access to any inside knowledge. I'll make that clearer on the notices on the tops of those pages. The AS7-D-DC and command consoles do exist in 3048 though, so who knows, maybe they will be included. Not sure how crazy I would be about riding in the back seat though.

Edited by Seth, 13 December 2011 - 02:16 AM.

[Wulfbane]

it can work but only like this. one is a mech driver with the main gun and other weapon. like a normal atles. but the other guy is a commander. he has some weapons but mainly he can use airforce to troop movement etc. think of it like the system of battlefield 2 only tons better. plus in game. only one per team can have one.

I forgot to say this but back in old battletech they had ton more armor then normal atles's. so the command is a bit tougher then the normal type

Edited by Wulfbane, 13 December 2011 - 02:25 AM.

[Nik Van Rhijn]

I could see it being of use in non pick up games of company strength or above, especially if we have offboard assets. It would enable the commander to do that while the mech is being piloted and fought by someone else. It would also enable the commander to get LP's while doing his job. Whether you would get volunteers to do it and how it would work in reality I'm not so sure. I certainly wouldn't expect to see it at launch.

[Wulfbane]

well not many people like command roles but if some wants to lead ok. but the other guy gets alot more too play with in a command mech

Edited by Wulfbane, 13 December 2011 - 02:31 AM.

[Alizabeth Aijou]

Prosperity Park, on 12 December 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

Am I right in saying that the Command Console equipment present in the Atlas AS7-D-DC, as listed in the Mechwarrior Online Wiki, will allow 2 players to jointly command a Atlas?

I know it's not like a Dual Cockpit where 1 person pilots and 1 person guns... but a Mech with a Command Console is a 2-pilot Mech by design and function!

Devs, is this an intended feature of the game?

*shudders with anticipation*

The AS7-D-DC was originally a Dual Cockpit system which had 1 pilot and 1 gunner...
I still hate Herb for ruining the DCCS (Dual Cockpit Combat System) by changing it into a command console.

[Big Willie]

I don't see a lot of benefit (or fun) from having two people control a single mech. although I think for the cost/weight of a 2 seater that getting a 3rd person camera view would be nice. It would be a reasonable way of providing and in-game benefit for 2 seaters.

[Mchawkeye]

Big Willie, on 13 December 2011 - 01:54 PM, said:

I don't see a lot of benefit (or fun) from having two people control a single mech. although I think for the cost/weight of a 2 seater that getting a 3rd person camera view would be nice. It would be a reasonable way of providing and in-game benefit for 2 seaters.

it;s not about sharing control as such, one person drives the mech whilst the other co-ordinates the unit. the second seat, the command console, is a separate role entirely from piloting a mech.

A third person view would not be a benefit, it's a simulator and that would ruin the immersive nature of the sim.