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[JP Josh]

the shivans would kill us all though they are the reason we lost contact with earth and they are the reason why the deneb system is no more.

Edited by JP Josh, 19 July 2012 - 09:12 PM.

[Lipot]

Hmm....I wonder if someone knows where to find a copy of the GURPS rules. That system was specifically design to take information from various other sources of games and lore and convert into a Generic Universal Role Playing System. I have to admit that I haven't really thought about how a standard 'mech would do against an AT-AT but I can see some decent Aerospace pilot getting the key shot to rip apart the shields of a Star Destroyer then having it die from a slow bombardment from a IS or Clan warship.

[Sidra]

With those vids I have to say one thing, it took all those ships to destroy a star, where as in Staw Wars, A single Sun Crusher can take out a star

[NVranya]

Falcorth, on 19 July 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

ok Mech Fans here is a question... which Concept came first..... Battlemechs or Star Wars land Walkers... who came up with the idea 1st.. amd if the 2 had to battle who'd win.

Mech concepts were first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecha

Mechs would win.

[Derek Flynn]

sakkaku, on 19 July 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Maximum range for an X-Wing is a little beyond 2km in canon. That is splash your shields and do no damage range. Usual engagements are probably 250m to 1000m which is about the same range as BT. Volley fire weaponry if it did enough damage would be a serious issue for a SW fighter because the first few rounds would collapse the shields then the remaining rounds would chew through relatively unarmored airframe. TIEs would be hit hardest because a single flight of LRMs would probably destroy them or in the case of atmosphere knock them around enough to sheer the wings off. A single jagermech could spell doom to a flight of TIEs as the rounds will go straight through the fighter as TIEs don't fair well in even small particulate asteroid fields.

There's a very simple reason for that. Unlike Alliance fighters like the X-Wing and Y-Wing, the Empire chose to engineer the TIE series of fighters, except for Vader's TIE Advanced, without shields or hyperdrives of any kind in favor of sheer speed and maneuverability. That's why they pretty much always out flew the Alliance fighters. But, as you pointed out, they're made out of tissue paper, so if your Jaggermech could actually target and hit one, the fight would be over before it began. Though that might be a little easier said than done. Hard to say as it's all speculation. In regards to the main topic of the thread, the only real advantage I see the AT-ATs having is that they can actually reroute extra power to their energy weapons increasing range and power, but other than that, any Mech including the lumbering Atlas could run circles around an AT-AT and strip away it's heavy armor until it's nothing but a smoking shell full of holes. And this is from someone who actually loves the original Star Wars Trilogy. Before Lucas bastardized it with CGI.

[Xathanael]

Dude an Atlas would take a Laser to the face, look around and see an AT-AT. Fire one AC-20 shell and blow it up. If that failed it could simple walk over and tip it over. If that doesn't work, then death from above via Cataplut.

[Sidra]

Xathanael, on 19 July 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

Dude an Atlas would take a Laser to the face, look around and see an AT-AT. Fire one AC-20 shell and blow it up. If that failed it could simple walk over and tip it over. If that doesn't work, then death from above via Cataplut.

First off, the lasers they used are just a WEE BIT stronger than ya think in there universe XD Second, missiles aren't really crap to a AT-AT unless you're using a mobile Proton Torpedo launcher. An AC-20 shell might do some hull damage to it but really, you would run out of ammo before you killed the transport off. Also you are only thinking of AT-At's, and not the other giant amount of land forces they have at their disposal.

[Roguewolf]

Steel Raven, on 19 July 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

Wow! Walker and Battlemechs are so different in so many ways, they should never be compared to one another. Might as well add Gundams to the thread.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Goliath

There you go slick.

[Asten]

id put a star of elementals against an army of walkers any day of the week. If Luke could bring one down with a light saber, a grappling hook, and a thermal detonator what chance do they have against jump jets claws and srms.

[Roguewolf]

pvtbryan, on 19 July 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

pfft... you're obviously unaware of the Leviathan II class...

Star Destroyers are for little boys ;P

Okay, that thing is just nasty..... leave it to CGB to come up with something this ferocious.

[Sidra]

Roguewolf, on 19 July 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

Okay, that thing is just nasty..... leave it to CGB to come up with something this ferocious.

I see you ship and raise you THIS http://starwars.wiki...ass_dreadnought





Edit, see that TINY little speck near the bottom right of the side view, that is a regular start destroyer compared actual size, to this baby

Edited by Sidra, 19 July 2012 - 11:42 PM.

[Roguewolf]

Sidra, on 19 July 2012 - 11:40 PM, said:

I see you ship and raise you THIS http://starwars.wiki...ass_dreadnought





Edit, see that TINY little speck near the bottom right of the side view, that is a regular start destroyer compared actual size, to this baby

Size only matters if you don't have the skill set necessary to handle your...... ship. Besides, look at everything LucasArts of late. Make it big, flashy, and dolled up like a 85 year old ******. But for the love of god don't include any real substance to it. Once they got past the Star Dreadnoughts, it just got stupid.

[Derek Flynn]

Ultimately, it would likely boil down to terrain and surroundings. In a flat open area like Hoth, the AT-AT MIGHT have a chance in a head to head battle simply because of the Heavy Laser Cannons and it's ability, as I stated before, to increase it's fire power. It's possible that it could destroy a Mech before the Mech ever gets into it's firing range. Though, I can't find a specific range that the AT-ATs weapons can reach. But, since they're designed to destroy Armored structures and hardpoints, it's safe to say that if it could hit a Mech, it could do considerable damage. However, once a Mech is able to flank it, the fight will likely be over quickly since the AT-AT's arc of fire is only 90 degrees right/left and 30 degrees up/down. Also, if the fight is in any kind of non flat terrain, (City, Forrest, Jungle, Mountains, etc.) I see the advantage swing even more heavily in favor of a Battlemech because of it's maneuverability advantage. An AT-AT does have 360 degree holographic targeting systems, but as stated above, a very limited firing arc.

[Sidra]

Roguewolf, on 19 July 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

Size only matters if you don't have the skill set necessary to handle your...... ship. Besides, look at everything LucasArts of late. Make it big, flashy, and dolled up like a 85 year old ******. But for the love of god don't include any real substance to it. Once they got past the Star Dreadnoughts, it just got stupid.

If you think the ESSD is of late I have a bit of news, that thing was part of the original lore, before you had jar jar runnin around like a ***** XD It was build around the same time as the Death Star (the first Death Star out of 5). Also you can have something big and still know how to handle it just sayin XD

Derek Flynn, on 19 July 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

Ultimately, it would likely boil down to terrain and surroundings. In a flat open area like Hoth, the AT-AT MIGHT have a chance in a head to head battle simply because of the Heavy Laser Cannons and it's ability, as I stated before, to increase it's fire power. It's possible that it could destroy a Mech before the Mech ever gets into it's firing range. Though, I can't find a specific range that the AT-ATs weapons can reach. But, since they're designed to destroy Armored structures and hardpoints, it's safe to say that if it could hit a Mech, it could do considerable damage. However, once a Mech is able to flank it, the fight will likely be over quickly since the AT-AT's arc of fire is only 90 degrees right/left and 30 degrees up/down. Also, if the fight is in any kind of non flat terrain, (City, Forrest, Jungle, Mountains, etc.) I see the advantage swing even more heavily in favor of a Battlemech because of it's maneuverability advantage. An AT-AT does have 360 degree holographic targeting systems, but as stated above, a very limited firing arc.

Well as I stated, you have more firepower than just the AT-AT on the field

[Xathanael]

Sidra, on 19 July 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

First off, the lasers they used are just a WEE BIT stronger than ya think in there universe XD Second, missiles aren't really crap to a AT-AT unless you're using a mobile Proton Torpedo launcher. An AC-20 shell might do some hull damage to it but really, you would run out of ammo before you killed the transport off. Also you are only thinking of AT-At's, and not the other giant amount of land forces they have at their disposal.

Yeah I'm sure they are so powerful that's why a teenager with a towcable and walking teddy bears with logs whipped all over them... REAL powerful. And by death from above I was referring to the catapult jumping on top of the walker's head :-P

[Derek Flynn]

You're correct. The AT-AT could carry 5 Speederbikes and 40 Troops or 2 AT-STs on it's own and that doesn't even cover whatever other ground forces the Imperials have at their disposal. However, the original question of this thread was what came first between Battlemechs and Star Wars land walkers and if they fought which would win. I was just answering that specific question with my opinion based on source material I own and have read. The question wasn't about who would win between the IS and the Empire. THAT'S a whole other ball of wax.

[Sidra]

Xathanael, on 20 July 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

Yeah I'm sure they are so powerful that's why a teenager with a towcable and walking teddy bears with logs whipped all over them... REAL powerful. And by death from above I was referring to the catapult jumping on top of the walker's head :-P

Those were AT-ST's that got teddy death brought upon them XD And the towcable was a nifty way to make them fall over (you COULD do the same thing to a battlemech too just saying ) But as I was saying, everyone keeps only thinking of the walkers, when both the Empire and Rebels have a massive array of groud weaponry and vehicles available (I'll leave out space combat because SW wins hands down on that due to giant fleets with a huge tech advantage)

Derek Flynn, on 20 July 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

You're correct. The AT-AT could carry 5 Speederbikes and 40 Troops or 2 AT-STs on it's own and that doesn't even cover whatever other ground forces the Imperials have at their disposal. However, the original question of this thread was what came first between Battlemechs and Star Wars land walkers and if they fought which would win. I was just answering that specific question with my opinion based on source material I own and have read. The question wasn't about who would win between the IS and the Empire. THAT'S a whole other ball of wax.

Ah I read over that bit, thought they were talking about full on war

[Derek Flynn]

Yeah, the thread got a little sidetracked I think. But, if it came to full on war, I think I might lean toward the Empire. Especially if using Dark Empire era tech. The Planets Devourers anyone?

[Sidra]

Derek Flynn, on 20 July 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

Yeah, the thread got a little sidetracked I think. But, if it came to full on war, I think I might lean toward the Empire. Especially if using Dark Empire era tech. The Planets Devourers anyone?

Screw those things o.e both sides had to fight off that after it went rogue (if I remember right o.e )

[Derek Flynn]

LOL. Hey, you were the one that brought up full on war. I was just making a point