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[dominikabra]

Now that the Marauder II-C has arrived, those lucky enough to have it tell wonders about the mech. And the most common thought is that it killed the Warhawk.

Now that they are on sale, would it be worth spending 10 million C-Bills on one or better wait for the MAD II-C to be available for C-Bills (I'll be getting one for sure)? Pokemon "gotta catch em all" stuff and all that or just forget it, it's dead? I have a huge list of mechs I want to get myself, and buying the WHK would set me a step back (financially).

Any thoughts are welcome.

[Juodas Varnas]

It was pretty dead before MAD-IIC.

[Zieten]

I'd say that the Warhawk still has its purpose with certain specs (ER PPC quirks, missile boat etc), but overall the MAD IIC is the better chassis.

[Escef]

The Warhawk is a bit more nimble, but is generally going to be slower. And no jets. Warhawk is probably going to get looked at a bit more closely during the next quirk pass or more generous skill unlocks when the skill system gets revamped, whichever comes first.

[El Bandito]

Zieten, on 28 December 2016 - 05:02 AM, said:

I'd say that the Warhawk still has its purpose with certain specs (ER PPC quirks, missile boat etc), but overall the MAD IIC is the better chassis.

[Wrathful Scythe]

Those UAC and ERPPC quirks make it still a viable choice. I've had some good matches with double UAC/10 combined with a single ERPPC.

[Shiroi Tsuki]

I find it hard to believe that the Warhawks is dead when I'm seeing more Warhawks than Daishis

[dominikabra]

So I guess that the new skill system will make it even less worse to spend the money on the WHK thus waiting for the MAD IIC seems like the most viable choice?

[Angel of Annihilation]

None of the mechs are dead if you happen to enjoy the mech. That being said, the Warhawk can be a fun and effective mech and in some builds still is superior to the Marauder IIC. I mean I have plenty of 1000 damage matches in my Warhawks so they are capable mechs despite their lack of popularity.

The reason some claim they are dead is that the Marauder IIC offers more versatility and customization than the Warhawk which obviously is going to make it a more popular pick. The Warhawk however gets a few quirks which does give it some advantages of the Marauder IIC such as overall improved agility and some weapons quirks that strongly compliment certain builds. Also the Warhawk has a greater torso range of motion which is very useful.

So dead? Nope. it can still be an excellent mech though to be honest there are better choices if all your looking for is an excellent mech. If you just like the Warhawk I don't think it is a bad investment.

[Zieten]

The MAD IIC also has far better hitboxes than the Warhawk. It's incredibly easy to go below 40% durability without losing a single component on it while the Warhawk is pretty easy to dismember...

[Rhaythe]

Was the PeaceDove ever alive? Only exception I knew of was the Wubhawk.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Zieten, on 28 December 2016 - 06:42 AM, said:

The MAD IIC also has far better hitboxes than the Warhawk. It's incredibly easy to go below 40% durability without losing a single component on it while the Warhawk is pretty easy to dismember...

Agreed but the question was if the Warhawk was dead and it is not. Just because it might not be the best mech doesn't mean it can't be a successful mech and the Warhawk can be a very successful mech.

[Lostdragon]

It has always been a lower tier mech. I tried numerous loadouts on them but the only one I really enjoy is LRM boating, which the WHK does very well.

[Paigan]

Juodas Varnas, on 28 December 2016 - 05:01 AM, said:

It was pretty dead before MAD-IIC.

- significant HP quirks
- significant PPC quirks
- borderline OP energy heat quirks (-13%)
- very good torso turn angle

It has its downsides, of course. Otherwise it wouldn't have gotten the quirks in the first place.

But still:
You have no idea what you are talking about here, Juodas.

Just because people aren't able to do basic arithmetic doesn't mean the chassis is dead.
It's good and it is on par with the MADIIC.

In my experience, people can't distinguish between "being the best" and "being good". Everything that is not perceived as the best is called dead.

Edited by Paigan, 28 December 2016 - 12:55 PM.

[NRP]

I like ERPPC boating on my Warhawk.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Shiroi Tsuki, on 28 December 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

I find it hard to believe that the Warhawks is dead when I'm seeing more Warhawks than Daishis

Thats cuz the Dire Fail is even more dead then the Whorehawk.

BOTH need to be shrunk for starters...then the Warhawk get 15 dmg CERPPC quirks.

[Tristan Winter]

Who was the silly person who criticized me when I said that the Marauder IIC essentially obsoleted the Warhawk?

So much forum drama going on these days, it's hard to remember all my feuds and forum beefs.

What's the point of being right, if you can't rub it in someone's face?

Shiroi Tsuki, on 28 December 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

I find it hard to believe that the Warhawks is dead when I'm seeing more Warhawks than Daishis

Some people are sick of buying mech packs. Let's see what happens when the MAD IIC is available for C-bills.

Also, I'm still frequently seeing 4+ Mad IICs in a match. I haven't seen 4+ Warhawks in a match since... well, ever.

[Juodas Varnas]

Paigan, on 28 December 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

- significant HP quirks
- significant PPC quirks
- borderline OP energy heat quirks (-13%)
- very good torso turn angle

It has its downsides, of course. Otherwise it wouldn't have gotten the quirks in the first place.

But still:
You have no idea what you are talking about here, Juodas.

Just because people aren't able to do basic arithmetic doesn't mean the chassis is dead.
It's good and it is on par with the MADIIC.

In my experience, people can't distinguish between "being the best" and "being good". Everything that is not perceived as the best is called dead.

Welp, i'm sorry, then.

My entire experience with the Masakari comes from fighting them (not piloting them) and from my perspective the mechhas always been one of the subpar Clan mechs (still better than the Gargamel, though).
I think the hitboxes is the biggest issue with it. Maybe, if during the rescale, they shrank the upper torso, it'd be better.
In addition to looking better, by the virtue of not being so ridiculously top-heavy (Daishi has the same issue).

[1453 R]

The Warhawk was of questionable 'alive' status before the Marauder IIC ever landed. It has its moments; by the standards of Clan fatbros the Warhawk actually has a relatively nice blend of agility and hitting power. Its hitboxes/geo are so disastrous that no amount of Quirkening can fix it in the durability department, though, and that's a pretty important department for fatbros. It also suffers to some extent from Hardpoint Deficit Disorder, if not to nearly the extent of things like the Summoner, Adder, or Ice Ferret.

The Hero addresses HDD to some extent (if only for a buttpile of RMT, damnit), but nothing short of a Catapult-style remodel will fix the fact that the Warhawk is basically a cinderblock with feet that drops side torsos at the drop of a hat - and I say this as someone for whome the Warhawk is easily their preferred Clan fatbro ride. There's no reason for the 'Mech to be like that, but alas, that's what the modelers stuck us with.

Damnit.

[C E Dwyer]

Biggest issue with the Warhawk is ammo storage, it's only really any good as a missile boat, or an ERPPC build so it ebbs and flows depending on how well PPC's work at the time