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[brroleg]

In one of the episodes in trilogy "Blood of Kerensky" IS forces camped Clan drop zone. I dont remember exact details, but i think case was - IS forces exploited Clan's honorable tradition in telling your opponent where and when they will drop their forces and how many.

[Snazzy Dragon]

except in MWO it is the clans spawn camping the IS

[Willard Phule]

Drop zones need to be "safe places," with coloring books and safety pins.

[Shiroi Tsuki]

Willard Phule, on 01 January 2017 - 04:20 AM, said:

Drop zones need to be "safe places," with coloring books and safety pins.

S-Shooting me without my consent is obviously sexual abuse.
Consider yourself r-reported!

[Juodas Varnas]

Shiroi Tsuki, on 01 January 2017 - 05:40 AM, said:

S-Shooting me without my consent is obviously sexual abuse.
Consider yourself r-reported!

Wasn't there like... a Kotaku article that talked about how "Killing female gamers should be considered ****"?
**** stands for:

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 01 January 2017 - 06:28 AM.

[Shiroi Tsuki]

Juodas Varnas, on 01 January 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

Wasn't there like... a Kotaku article that talked about how "Killing female gamers should be considered ****"?
**** stands for:

kotaku, buzzfeed and radical hardcore "feminists" must be erased from existence ಠ╭╮ಠ

Edited by Shiroi Tsuki, 01 January 2017 - 06:32 AM.

[The Unstoppable Puggernaut]

@OP


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[Lootee]

A pair of aerospace fighters shooting down your dropship, killing everyone on board before you enter the atmosphere is even more lore-friendly.

Doesn't make it a good gameplay mechanic, but this is pgi we're talking about so maybe...

Edited by Lootee, 01 January 2017 - 07:14 AM.

[El Bandito]

brroleg, on 01 January 2017 - 03:25 AM, said:

In one of the episodes in trilogy "Blood of Kerensky" IS forces camped Clan drop zone. I dont remember exact details, but i think case was - IS forces exploited Clan's honorable tradition in telling your opponent where and when they will drop their forces and how many.

Do you even know how mistaken you are? IS had camped Clan drop zone in the novels because the Clanners had the advantage over the IS, thus IS required devious strategy to even the odds. In MWO, players camp enemy drop zone when they have the advantage, not the other way around. Can you see now how silly your argument is?

Edited by El Bandito, 01 January 2017 - 07:15 AM.

[Quxudica]

brroleg, on 01 January 2017 - 03:25 AM, said:

In one of the episodes in trilogy "Blood of Kerensky" IS forces camped Clan drop zone. I dont remember exact details, but i think case was - IS forces exploited Clan's honorable tradition in telling your opponent where and when they will drop their forces and how many.

Quality of Gameplay is more important. The spawn camping problem in FW is entirely due to PGI's inept map design.

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kotaku, buzzfeed and radical hardcore "feminists" must be erased from existence ಠ╭╮ಠ

Kotaku and Buzzfeed are pure clickbait who post sensationalist articles for the ad revenue they know the title alone will generate. The number of "radical hardcore feminists", which a lot of internet trolls like to assume comprises all feminists, is so low as to be negligible and only not non-existent because you can find extremists for literally anything if you look hard enough. Feminism is just the specialized focus on issues women face, nothing more and nothing less.

[Mystere]

Snazzy Dragon, on 01 January 2017 - 03:49 AM, said:

except in MWO it is the clans spawn camping the IS

Revenge is a {Dezgra}, isn't it?

Shiroi Tsuki, on 01 January 2017 - 06:31 AM, said:

kotaku ...

Isn't that the same online rag that fired someone for being a woman?

[Shiroi Tsuki]

Quxudica, on 01 January 2017 - 07:17 AM, said:

Kotaku and Buzzfeed are pure clickbait who post sensationalist articles for the ad revenue they know the title alone will generate. The number of "radical hardcore feminists", which a lot of internet trolls like to assume comprises all feminists, is so low as to be negligible and only not non-existent because you can find extremists for literally anything if you look hard enough. Feminism is just the specialized focus on issues women face, nothing more and nothing less.

Though this could be said to any extremists, they create so much stigma that being labeled as a feminist can considered bad. Most of the times, their agenda contradicts themselves or are issues that only a select few will only have. It's unfortunate that ACTUAL feminists (or Equalist in my case), and to some extent, the LGBTQ community that have actual issues will be looked down upon because of how the radicals have act and the things they've done.

Also I should have emphasized this more

Shiroi Tsuki, on 01 January 2017 - 06:31 AM, said:

"feminists"

Edited by Shiroi Tsuki, 01 January 2017 - 08:15 AM.

[Quxudica]

Shiroi Tsuki, on 01 January 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

Though this could be said to any extremists, they create so much stigma that being labeled as a feminist can considered bad. Most of the times, their agenda contradicts themselves or are issues that only a select few will only have. It's unfortunate that ACTUAL feminists (or Equalist in my case), and to some extent, the LGBTQ community that have actual issues will be looked down upon because of how the radicals have act and the things they've done.

Also I should have emphasized this more

The stigma comes far more from opponents of Feminism (both those who are against the actual goals of feminism, and those who are against what they think are the goals of feminism) creating this false image of all feminists as man-hating feminazis intent on matriarchal domination. There are extremely few such actual people in the world that would fit into this straw-man caricature - so few as to be meaningless when it comes to discussing the importance of the movement - but propagandists have used the idea of this stereotype to discredit and dismiss the entire movement.

Same thing goes for "Political Correctness". A meaningless buzz-phrase used to scapegoat everything a certain segment of people don't like and an excuse trotted out to justify being ******** to others, or to shut down conversations when discussing complex emotionally charged issues.

[CK16]

I refuse to "spawn camp" however I do like to set up a circle of equals around where the mechs drop and give them a fair 1v1, as long as they don't try to run out of the circle.

[Novakaine]

When I read the title I told myself.
"Must be a Clanker."

[Lupis Volk]

Trust a Clammer to justify unsportsman like conduct and general douchebaggery.

[JediPanther]

I don't care how lore friendly it is. Game play wise it sucks more than a ten cent street worker giving a fifty percent discount. We all know how much fun it is to lose that all important wave in fp then just have to go get more beer or go walk the dog because you can't do much else as the enemy farms your next three mechs killing them before they even touch the ground from the drop ship.

Sure is fun for the farmers all that easy damage,component shot off,spotting assists and kills. Until they really fix the problem of spawn camping its a game mode I refuse to play unless you want to pay me real cash $100 per match used in the match in advance. I take paypal and travelers checks too.

[Prof RJ Gumby]

Quxudica, on 01 January 2017 - 07:17 AM, said:

(...)
Kotaku and Buzzfeed are pure clickbait who post sensationalist articles for the ad revenue they know the title alone will generate. The number of "radical hardcore feminists", which a lot of internet trolls like to assume comprises all feminists, is so low as to be negligible and only not non-existent because you can find extremists for literally anything if you look hard enough. Feminism is just the specialized focus on issues women face, nothing more and nothing less.

Shiroi Tsuki, on 01 January 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

Though this could be said to any extremists, they create so much stigma that being labeled as a feminist can considered bad. Most of the times, their agenda contradicts themselves or are issues that only a select few will only have. It's unfortunate that ACTUAL feminists (or Equalist in my case), and to some extent, the LGBTQ community that have actual issues will be looked down upon because of how the radicals have act and the things they've done.

Also I should have emphasized this more

Quxudica, on 01 January 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

The stigma comes far more from opponents of Feminism (both those who are against the actual goals of feminism, and those who are against what they think are the goals of feminism) creating this false image of all feminists as man-hating feminazis intent on matriarchal domination. There are extremely few such actual people in the world that would fit into this straw-man caricature - so few as to be meaningless when it comes to discussing the importance of the movement - but propagandists have used the idea of this stereotype to discredit and dismiss the entire movement.

Same thing goes for "Political Correctness". A meaningless buzz-phrase used to scapegoat everything a certain segment of people don't like and an excuse trotted out to justify being ******** to others, or to shut down conversations when discussing complex emotionally charged issues.

Well, sice this thread has been already totally derailed and not having that much sense in the first place...

The problem is, nobody from the feminists movement with any press coverage actually distance actual feminist from those "clickbaits" and "feminists". I mean, c'mon, you have a bunch of hypocrites and cheats ruining the name of your movement and you do nothing to criticize them anyhow? Words of indignation? No open letter with explanations? No official memo, nothing? You represent a movement, you are responsible for it in a way. Rational feminists could easily gain a lot of points among "not declared on either side yet" people (which is always a majority of population) by showing some responsibility and at least protesting about spread of that slur. That would also close the mouth of many anti-feminists.

Modern feminism is tainted with bias and this is what gives fuels to all the haters. Just one old example: Zoe Quinn. A total douchebag of a person, a cheater and a liar got defended by everyone because she EXPRESSED how much of a progressive feminist is she. She was a woman and she claimed to be a harassed feminist, so everyone and their mother, both among feminists and among officials ran to her aid. Just because she SAID so. She even got invited to a UN meeting to talk about cyber harassment of "poor women like her". Were there a word of protest from sane feminists who could see that this was just a very bad and selfish person pushing her own agenda, exploiting a social trend? Nope. Did anybody among the feminist movement commented anything on the numerous evidence against her claims? Nope.

From more recent news, certain candidate for president of the certain big country just recently used the sex card to lure all women to vote for that person exponentially. Words of protests from the left about sexism or exploiting gender issues for political gain? None. Just a lot happy women on TV during speeches of that candidate and bunch of crying women on TV when that candidate lost. Suddenly nobody mentions how favouring a candidate for a job on the base of its sex is a bad thing.

EDIT: on topic for a change: a game have to be fun for all players. Spawncamping is not, so yes, it should be limited to a degree.

Edited by Prof RJ Gumby, 01 January 2017 - 02:00 PM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Prof RJ Gumby, on 01 January 2017 - 01:59 PM, said:

Well, sice this thread has been already totally derailed and not having that much sense in the first place...

The problem is, nobody from the feminists movement with any press coverage actually distance actual feminist from those "clickbaits" and "feminists". I mean, c'mon, you have a bunch of hypocrites and cheats ruining the name of your movement and you do nothing to criticize them anyhow? Words of indignation? No open letter with explanations? No official memo, nothing? You represent a movement, you are responsible for it in a way. Rational feminists could easily gain a lot of points among "not declared on either side yet" people (which is always a majority of population) by showing some responsibility and at least protesting about spread of that slur. That would also close the mouth of many anti-feminists.

Modern feminism is tainted with bias and this is what gives fuels to all the haters. Just one old example: Zoe Quinn. A total douchebag of a person, a cheater and a liar got defended by everyone because she EXPRESSED how much of a progressive feminist is she. She was a woman and she claimed to be a harassed feminist, so everyone and their mother, both among feminists and among officials ran to her aid. Just because she SAID so. She even got invited to a UN meeting to talk about cyber harassment of "poor women like her". Were there a word of protest from sane feminists who could see that this was just a very bad and selfish person pushing her own agenda, exploiting a social trend? Nope. Did anybody among the feminist movement commented anything on the numerous evidence against her claims? Nope.

From more recent news, certain candidate for president of the certain big country just recently used the sex card to lure all women to vote for that person exponentially. Words of protests from the left about sexism or exploiting gender issues for political gain? None. Just a lot happy women on TV during speeches of that candidate and bunch of crying women on TV when that candidate lost. Suddenly nobody mentions how favouring a candidate for a job on the base of its sex is a bad thing.

EDIT: on topic for a change: a game have to be fun for all players. Spawncamping is not, so yes, it should be limited to a degree.

No. **** this. There is absolutely no justification for the amount of raw horseshit generated by the whole gamergate nontroversy. That episode is the reason I don't identify as a "gamer", despite games being my primary hobby. Absolutely sickening.

[C E Dwyer]

If your going to use lore as an excuse for base camping, I'll just point out that if were using lore as justification for making the game dull. I'll use lore as justification for not allowing Merc units to be clan, as there are no clan Mercenaries, they're all loyalist, to one vat machine.

Edited by Cathy, 01 January 2017 - 02:12 PM.