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[Lanzman]

GImme a Wasp/Stinger twofer, the Dervish, the Nightstar, and the Javelin. Clans I don't care because I don't play clanners. The one exception would be the Piranha. Honestly, how PGI has missed putting in a "totem" mech for themselves is beyond me, and the glory of all those machine guns makes my insides go all squishy.

Somebody back in the thread mentioned the Toyama and I personally would love that one in the game. I also have a soft spot for the Caesar, the Cestus, and the Lineholder.

Edited by Lanzman, 11 January 2017 - 01:49 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Wait a minute...

The Crusader's SRMs are in the legs... is there a precedent in MWO for how to treat leg weapons? I can't remember.

[Bombast]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 January 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

Wait a minute...

The Crusader's SRMs are in the legs... is there a precedent in MWO for how to treat leg weapons? I can't remember.

We have some mechs with hard points so low they might as well be in the legs. Hell, some of them might as well be in the feet.

As to your question, no, there is no precedent that I'm aware of. Leg weapons are fairly rare. I'd say that it would make for an interesting build option, but... we all know that's a lie. Leg weapons would be terrible. Unless they pull the launchers up to the hip joint. Then I guess they'd just be bad.

Besides, where are you going to put your ammo if your legs are full of launchers?

Edited by Bombast, 11 January 2017 - 03:23 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 January 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

The Crusader's SRMs are in the legs... is there a precedent in MWO for how to treat leg weapons? I can't remember.

They are moved to the torso, CDA-3C is what set the precedent.

[Gas Guzzler]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 11 January 2017 - 03:21 PM, said:

They are moved to the torso, CDA-3C is what set the precedent.

Cool.

Crusader is just a missile boat. I think every single variant as some combination of 1E and 1B in each arm, some might have 2E along with a missile in each arm and a missile in each leg. So I see any energy/ballistic build being awkward, except maybe some AC10 + missile fap.. I guess.

[Cy Mitchell]

Yeonne Greene, on 10 January 2017 - 09:21 PM, said:

I don't even own one, but...in December I saw a fair few. Haven't played this month at all, yet.



High hard-points won't help it since the cockpit is so low. Same problem the Archer, or even the Cataphract, have.

Gas Guzzler, on 10 January 2017 - 10:36 PM, said:

Last week dropping in a DS tandem with a unit mate.

I have been Making Victor's Great Again for over a week now.



The belly cockpit really ruins it because it won't be able.to make great use of.those high hardpoints. It has to expose the whole torso just to look over a hill. Ick.

The Stormcrow has much the same problem and until the HBK II-C took over it was widely considered the best Medium Mech in the game. The Uziel has jump jets like the Nova and the Nova is considered one of the better erPPC poptarters. The Uziel can be good: maybe not meta-competition great but still good.

[Odanan]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 January 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

Wait a minute...

The Crusader's SRMs are in the legs... is there a precedent in MWO for how to treat leg weapons? I can't remember.

Yes, there are. PGI moves the leg hardpoints to the correspondent side torso. What an example? Cicada 3C (machineguns originally in the legs).

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 11 January 2017 - 03:21 PM, said:

They are moved to the torso, CDA-3C is what set the precedent.

Dang, ninjaed.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Rampage, on 11 January 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

The Stormcrow has much the same problem and until the HBK II-C took over it was widely considered the best Medium Mech in the game. The Uziel has jump jets like the Nova and the Nova is considered one of the better erPPC poptarters. The Uziel can be good: maybe not meta-competition great but still good.

Uziel is great on paper and in dice rolls but its geometry would make it pretty glass cannon-y in MWO. Wide profiles don't do very well. Ebon jag, king crab, cataphract, nova, etc have easy to isolate hitboxes and the uziel would be no different.

Nova is competitive because it can boat ridiculous amounts of lasers with very good quirks, and has a good niche in scouting, but as soon as something with 6 torso mounted lasers in each side with higher mounts and the same speed profile it'll be obsolete.

And yes ebon jag and hunchback are meta but that is because of the ridiculous pod space potential and high mounts-- the glass cannon aspects aren't as big a factor when they can peek so well and bring a crazy amount of firepower to the table.

Edited by Snazzy Dragon, 11 January 2017 - 05:23 PM.

[Clownwarlord]

CorranHorn, on 11 January 2017 - 08:28 AM, said:

Voted. For my "other" vote I placed for IS, Hatchetman.

Yes I have a list of mechs I would love to see in game if melee ever makes it into game. All inner sphere mechs are better at melee than any clan mechs.

[CK16]

Wide arms are not that bad >.< personally I prefer arms for big weapons anyway! Gauss in the arm is far safer for instance.

I can not believe you guys a nit picking at arm width like really! You just had to find any thing to complain about to try to buster what you feel is a better opton lol. Come on guys! Sheesh -.-

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Rampage, on 11 January 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

The Stormcrow has much the same problem and until the HBK II-C took over it was widely considered the best Medium Mech in the game. The Uziel has jump jets like the Nova and the Nova is considered one of the better erPPC poptarters. The Uziel can be good: maybe not meta-competition great but still good.

The Nova is considered a great poptart if you put PPCs in the chin instead of the arms. It also has the benefit of Clan tech which is a huge benefit if you couldn't tell by all the quirks the BJ-3 has and it still can't compete with the HBK-IIC-A and Nova.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 11 January 2017 - 06:21 PM.

[TheArisen]

Juodas Varnas, on 11 January 2017 - 01:44 PM, said:

Which is a good reason NOT to add it, because PGI would lose either way.
They either add an IS tech mech to Clanners (would probably piss them off, because &quot;Muh Clan Tech&quot;) or they add a canonically Clan mech to IS (would probably piss off the lore guys).

I don't think PGI would be willing to open that can of worms.

Well let's hope not.

[Cy Mitchell]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 11 January 2017 - 06:20 PM, said:

The Nova is considered a great poptart if you put PPCs in the chin instead of the arms. It also has the benefit of Clan tech which is a huge benefit if you couldn't tell by all the quirks the BJ-3 has and it still can't compete with the HBK-IIC-A and Nova.

As mentioned above, if PGI adds hardpoints it is possible the Uziel could also have torso mounted erPPC. If the present Merch pack model is not changed drastically then additional variants would have to be created. Even if it is changed PGI may still inflate the hardpoints as they have done in the past making additional configuration possible. There are many Mech with much worse geometry than the Uziel that are already in the game and people have bought them and played them. PGI makes Mechs to sell. The Uziel will sell and if will be a good and viable in the game for multiple rolls. As I said, it may not be the best so the comps will poo-poo it but it will be good. At least as good if not better than the Stormcrow minus the Streaks.

[TheArisen]

Well it looks like everyone that was going to vote voted.

[Red Shrike]

TheArisen, on 12 January 2017 - 02:04 AM, said:

Well it looks like everyone that was going to vote voted.

Not entirely.

IS:
Uziel
Other: Flea

Clan:
Cougar

[Bradigus]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 January 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

Wait a minute...

The Crusader's SRMs are in the legs... is there a precedent in MWO for how to treat leg weapons? I can't remember.

In all likelihood the SRMs would be moved to the side torsos, and placed on the waist like so.

Edited by Bradigus, 12 January 2017 - 02:21 AM.

[Metus regem]

Bradigus, on 12 January 2017 - 02:21 AM, said:

In all likelihood the SRMs would be moved to the side torsos, and placed on the waist like so.

This I like.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Rampage, on 11 January 2017 - 06:34 PM, said:

As mentioned above, if PGI adds hardpoints it is possible the Uziel could also have torso mounted erPPC.

They have never added a hardpoint to a mech that didn't have that weapon type there, if they did that it would be a first.

Rampage, on 11 January 2017 - 06:34 PM, said:

The Uziel will sell and if will be a good and viable in the game for multiple rolls.

Bolded your assumption, the more likely event is that it will be used in place of the ENF-5P because it can mount 2 UAC5 in the torsos and also mount an XL, it will not be all that useful for energy weapons though, specifically PPCs.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 12 January 2017 - 09:13 AM.

[CK16]

So this year's dream mech map(for me)?

January: Firemoth
February: Stinger/Wasp
March: Warhammer IIC
April: Annihilator/Devastator/Nightstar/Cerberus
May: Locust IIC/Fire Falcon
June: Crusader
July: Rifleman IIC
August: Raptor
September: Mad Cat Mk II
October: Sunder
November: Nova Cat
December: Uziel

I would be happy with this.

[Metus regem]

CK16, on 12 January 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

So this year's dream mech map(for me)?

January: Firemoth
February: Stinger/Wasp
March: Warhammer IIC
April: Annihilator/Devastator/Nightstar/Cerberus
May: Locust IIC/Fire Falcon
June: Crusader
July: Rifleman IIC
August: Raptor
September: Mad Cat Mk II
October: Sunder
November: Nova Cat
December: Uziel

I would be happy with this.

As I said in the other thread...

January: Firemoth Piranha
February: Stinger/Wasp
March: Warhammer IIC
April: Annihilator/Devastator/Nightstar/Cerberus
May: Locust IIC/Fire Falcon
June: Crusader
July: Rifleman IIC
August: Raptor
September: Mad Cat Mk II Coyotl
October: Sunder
November: Nova Cat
December: Uziel Mad Cat Mk. II