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[DGTLDaemon]

Hunchback IICs are made of tissue paper and go down as soon as anyone sneezes at them. It's probably the second most fragile mech I've ever played after Jenner IIC. I've been playing various Hunchie IIC builds (SRMs, UACs, MPLs) in scouting a lot lately, and I have to say they all suck balls in a brawl compared to the good old SplatCrow. This is definitely not a mech that I would call "OP" or "broken". Rather, it's a very high-skill mech that requires you to bring your A-game simply to survive the match.

[Escef]

Tristan Winter, on 17 January 2017 - 02:36 AM, said:

I agree. And playing some mechs with limited yaw is very frustrating as well. PGI should use these base stats for balancing. But they don't.

My whole point in mentioning the Marauder IIC in this context was to demonstrate that they do. They also used agility nerfs to de-power the KDK-3. Saying that they don't is demonstrably false.

[Tristan Winter]

Escef, on 17 January 2017 - 03:44 AM, said:

My whole point in mentioning the Marauder IIC in this context was to demonstrate that they do. They also used agility nerfs to de-power the KDK-3. Saying that they don't is demonstrably false.

Oh, never mind. I forgot who I was talking with for a moment there.

Yeah, they do a fantastic job, it's amazing. Later, Escef.

[Escef]

Tristan Winter, on 17 January 2017 - 03:47 AM, said:

Oh, never mind. I forgot who I was talking with for a moment there.

Yeah, they do a fantastic job, it's amazing. Later, Escef.

You agreed that they do after you said that they don't, then reiterated that they don't. If you want to say they should do it more, great, I can get behind that. But if you want to sit there and spread blatantly false information don't have the nerve to be insulted when someone calls you on it.

[Tristan Winter]

Escef, on 17 January 2017 - 03:51 AM, said:

You agreed that they do after you said that they don't, then reiterated that they don't. If you want to say they should do it more, great, I can get behind that. But if you want to sit there and spread blatantly false information don't have the nerve to be insulted when someone calls you on it.

I'm not insulted, I'm bored.

[Escef]

Tristan Winter, on 17 January 2017 - 03:55 AM, said:

I'm not insulted, I'm bored.

You're also apparently ignorant on the subject matter.

Edited by Escef, 17 January 2017 - 04:10 AM.

[MacClearly]

TercieI, on 16 January 2017 - 11:25 AM, said:

It just cracks me up since that's at most the third best HBK-IIC build and probably more like fifth. And the gauss/PPC KDK is the best by far now, probably followed by LB40.

After the last nerf to the ac10's I actually switched to running 2x lbx10's on the Hunchie IIC. Wouldn't use it for scouting like that but I don't do much scouting anyway. I like it and this set up allows you to use two med lasers much more often. It probably isn't a better build but I think it is easy mode.

[MacClearly]

Lupis Volk, on 16 January 2017 - 12:01 PM, said:

Honestly i've been around on many forums, and the perceived entitlement many Clan forum goers have would easily make me think a IS player would make sock puppets in an effort to spread the whole "nerf clans, clans OP" dogma.

Over the holidays I have been in more than a few drops Clan side that despite facing decent opposition with a bunch of random Clan pugs, the Clan guys had the expectation to win and were irate over a loss. Openly saying things like they went Clan because they are supposed to be better and win all of the time. I heard this frustration so many times that I can imagine it is fairly common or at least it was with the influx of players who are not regulars to FW. So there are people playing Clan that openly want Clan to be better so they can win and are not interested in fair fights.

[Mcgral18]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 16 January 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

It's kinda funny to me that the "OP" Hunchie IIC is not even the best Hunchie IIC build out there.

It used to be a fun robot, but the 10 seconds of downtime kinda killed the fun
The GaussPop is so much more satisfying,

[Snazzy Dragon]

Mcgral18, on 17 January 2017 - 05:25 AM, said:

It used to be a fun robot, but the 10 seconds of downtime kinda killed the fun
The GaussPop is so much more satisfying,

I'll counter that statement with a story.

I was in a dual gauss hunchback IIC and a friendly potato dropped an air strike on me

It crit me from behind and blew up both gauss rifles and I got teamkilled off a double side torso destruction

[a gaijin]

MacClearly, on 17 January 2017 - 05:12 AM, said:

Over the holidays I have been in more than a few drops Clan side that despite facing decent opposition with a bunch of random Clan pugs, the Clan guys had the expectation to win and were irate over a loss. Openly saying things like they went Clan because they are supposed to be better and win all of the time. I heard this frustration so many times that I can imagine it is fairly common or at least it was with the influx of players who are not regulars to FW. So there are people playing Clan that openly want Clan to be better so they can win and are not interested in fair fights.

In the PuG FW drops I've been in I haven't heard that. The comments I had heard were, and I quote, "PGI loves IS and nerfed Clans again..." and "geez IS is OP these days...WTF?!? "

But that was the extent of it. Only during Invasion.
And of course it was in matches that were lost. But hey, win some, lose some. Name of the game.
Never really heard complaints during scouting missions about anything except for the occasional complaint about the decreased max weight for Clans.


Hadn't heard anyone making the "I changed to Clans recently because of {excuse goes here}" comment in any FW matches though

[C E Dwyer]

Escef, on 17 January 2017 - 04:07 AM, said:

You're also apparently ignorant on the subject matter.

The irony of this statement made me smile, and almost lol quietly

[The Unstoppable Puggernaut]

Cathy, on 17 January 2017 - 05:32 AM, said:

The irony of this statement made me smile, and almost lol quietly

lolling quietly?
Hehe, that did make me laugh.

I think these "xxxx is OP OMGZ BBQWTFBUSCUITS" threads should be closed off after a few days if there's no momentum.

The kdk3 thread was purposeful as it was clearly broken. How they fixed it... Ug.

[Mcgral18]

Snazzy Dragon, on 17 January 2017 - 05:27 AM, said:

I'll counter that statement with a story.

I was in a dual gauss hunchback IIC and a friendly potato dropped an air strike on me

It crit me from behind and blew up both gauss rifles and I got teamkilled off a double side torso destruction

Good news!
That cannot happen anymore. Recently, strikes stopped causing Crits

[MacClearly]

Star Commander Horse, on 17 January 2017 - 05:29 AM, said:

In the PuG FW drops I've been in I haven't heard that. The comments I had heard were, and I quote, "PGI loves IS and nerfed Clans again..." and "geez IS is OP these days...WTF?!? "

But that was the extent of it. Only during Invasion.
And of course it was in matches that were lost. But hey, win some, lose some. Name of the game.
Never really heard complaints during scouting missions about anything except for the occasional complaint about the decreased max weight for Clans.


Hadn't heard anyone making the "I changed to Clans recently because of {excuse goes here}" comment in any FW matches though

I have heard those complaints as well.

Really though what I really want to see happen is the tier system and the group queue utilized with the exception of allowing single players the option to help fill the rosters of group players if they so choose.

Having matches where skill levels are at least more comparable would weed out some of the more frivolous and inaccurate claims.

Take the Kodiak. When it first came out and I was an even bigger potato than I am now, I actually thought people who were saying they were op were nuts. This is likely because I was running around in an Oxide in tier three coring out other potatos from behind and having a field day. It was like printing cbills at will. Then a couple of comp guys I knew who have been playing a long time told me I wasn't seeing the whole picture. Oh and then rescalening....

[Willard Phule]

HAHAHAHAHAHA......

You brought this on yourself. The 50 tonners were under utilized due to the stormcrow being the favored medium of choice. But the whiners got our scouting tonnage reduced to 50....now you get to deal with hunchies and huntsmen.

Here's an idea....get PGI to reduce clan scouting tonnage to 25 and increase the IS to 95. That way, you won't have to worry about all those nasty weapons that do damage to your trial mech.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Snazzy Dragon, on 16 January 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:

Are they overperforming? Yeah. That's what high mounts + clan tech + no locked equipment will do-- any mech with those three factors will be competitive, regardless.

But are they gamebreaking? Naw.

Hunchie IICs have massive side torso hitboxes and melt under fire. They also tend to have smaller engines and aren't very agile-- faster mediums and brawler builds will eat a hunchie IIC out of position alive. A single volley from an assault can cripple a hunchie IIC outright as well.

Kodiaks are well hated by the community and will be instantly focused-- they won't last long on the dakka builds because of the facetime required to do damage. They are pretty easy to core out as well because of how big their CT is, and they don't roll damage as well as they used to.

Exactly, my HBK 4G [F] will outduel HBK IIC's every, single, time.

just way better movement profile.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 17 January 2017 - 08:27 AM, said:

Exactly, my HBK 4G [F] will outduel HBK IIC's every, single, time.

just way better movement profile.

Cool story bro, guess it's a good thing this is a team game huh?

[Escef]

Cathy, on 17 January 2017 - 05:32 AM, said:

The irony of this statement made me smile, and almost lol quietly

Go ahead, laugh at me for pointing out the fool said they didn't do something that they do, in fact, do. After which he agreed that they do it, and then again said that they don't. Another one for the disrespect list, I guess. I suppose I should have added you to it 3 years ago when you started calling a c-bill ornage paintjob "gold", right?

Edited by Escef, 17 January 2017 - 09:46 AM.

[MechaBattler]

We're not getting rotary autocannons. That would be a balancing nightmare without providing some serious gimping to it. Just IS UACs above UAC5s is gonna be stronk.