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[Pariah Devalis]

Willard Phule, on 17 January 2017 - 08:00 AM, said:

HAHAHAHAHAHA......

You brought this on yourself. The 50 tonners were under utilized due to the stormcrow being the favored medium of choice. But the whiners got our scouting tonnage reduced to 50....now you get to deal with hunchies and huntsmen.

Here's an idea....get PGI to reduce clan scouting tonnage to 25 and increase the IS to 95. That way, you won't have to worry about all those nasty weapons that do damage to your trial mech.

Fun fact: the Huntsman should not be mocked in Scouting. I'd say the top two scouting platforms for us right now would be the laser hell Nova, and the Pakhet with 4x ASRM6 4x SPLas (less optimal version, but just as lethal, possible with non-hero pods), with the 2x SPLas 3x ASRM6 ECM Shadow Cat as a fantastic 45 ton semi-support option. Hunchback IIC-A is solid, but the HMN literally does it better, with much better hitboxes.

That said, I'm gonna be so sad when they release the mech for C-Bills. Those blasted potatoes will just slap streaks on the thing. What a travesty.

[Bombast]

Pariah Devalis, on 17 January 2017 - 10:41 AM, said:

That said, I'm gonna be so sad when they release the mech for C-Bills. Those blasted potatoes will just slap streaks on the thing. What a travesty.

I can't wait for C-Bills, when I can start running all these SRM boating builds I keep hearing about. The Wubsman is nice, but I need more missiles in my life.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Pariah Devalis, on 17 January 2017 - 10:41 AM, said:

with the 2x SPLas 3x ASRM6 ECM Shadow Cat as a fantastic 45 ton semi-support option.

Gross, the converge on that build is horrible, you are probably better off using Flamers instead of the cSPLs though. In that case you are probably better off with the 5 cSPL Ice Ferret.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 17 January 2017 - 10:43 AM.

[AphexTwin11]

Trunok, on 16 January 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

Right now the two most op mechs that i find in the game are the KDK-3 and the Hunchie-iic with 2 c-uac10's and i think that it is not the problem of the mechs it self, but of how powerfull 2 c-uac-10's or + builds are, if the c-uac 10 had more tonnage this would be great to solve the problem with hunchie at least, so he can't take too much ammo and may be forced to 2 c-uac5's or to be even more squishy than before to fit the ammo for those guns, what will place them in a more difficult mech to master.

LOL

[Pariah Devalis]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 17 January 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

Gross, the converge on that build is horrible, you are probably better off using Flamers instead of the cSPLs though. In that case you are probably better off with the 5 cSPL Ice Ferret.

5-SPlas Ferret is ok, but it has pretty bulky legs. I bring the Cat for the jumps and the ECM, more than the firepower. The convergence is a little wonky, but I just fire the SRM in two sets, and the weapons set across three weapon groups.

Bombast, on 17 January 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

I can't wait for C-Bills, when I can start running all these SRM boating builds I keep hearing about. The Wubsman is nice, but I need more missiles in my life.

As fun as it is, I was underwhelmed by the performance of the 8x ASRM4 setup. Very very hot, has difficulty dissipating that heat, and has very limited ammunition. SRMs are also more susceptible to bad hitreg, which is so incredibly frustrating.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Pariah Devalis, on 17 January 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

5-SPlas Ferret is ok, but it has pretty bulky legs. I bring the Cat for the jumps and the ECM, more than the firepower. The convergence is a little wonky, but I just fire the SRM in two sets, and the weapons set across three weapon groups.

SCat has the same problem with bulky legs TBH, and you shouldn't really need ECM for such a brawl-centric environment just like the GRF-2N doesn't really need it. The jumps are nice though, even if it has more than it really needs.

[Pariah Devalis]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 17 January 2017 - 10:53 AM, said:

SCat has the same problem with bulky legs TBH, and you shouldn't really need ECM for such a brawl-centric environment just like the GRF-2N doesn't really need it. The jumps are nice though, even if it has more than it really needs.

I do it to disrupt the enemies' ability to see us first. It's not a mech I generally take when pugging it up in scout mode, more so when I am with other Nova Cats or guest players like certain Ghost Bears that follow me around for some inexplicable reason. Makes it easier to dictate the terms of the fight.

If I want a speed based option, believe it or not I find success with an 8x ERSLas Viper. Super squishy, but it's like a toasty speedy nova.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Pariah Devalis, on 17 January 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

If I want a speed based option, believe it or not I find success with an 8x ERSLas Viper.

Gross, cSPLs > ERSL in almost every situation, especially for a mech that can run that fast. The extra heat and weapon required to match the cSPLs damage output ends up being more than the tonnage to mount the cSPLs.

[Phra]

HMN can roll dmg quite nicely at 4-600 thanks to its CT being the weak point with decent shield arms, but will get squished in a knifefight, and the H2C STs can be hit from the orbit, it's the only clan mech I don't even bother legging, going for the torsos right away. Honestly, they both have pretty equally terrible hitboxes for brawling.

Pack a Nova or a 5SPL Fridge if you wanna run fast and collect intel mostly, anything else will get eaten by the better IS SRM boats.

[a gaijin]

MacClearly, on 17 January 2017 - 07:13 AM, said:

Really though what I really want to see happen is the tier system and the group queue utilized with the exception of allowing single players the option to help fill the rosters of group players if they so choose.

Having matches where skill levels are at least more comparable would weed out some of the more frivolous and inaccurate claims.

Pros to having a tier match maker system in FW:

• More or less evenly matched teams, theoretically.
  
• Doesn't affect stats, if you care, so you can "practice" in FW without any 'stat penalty' for screwing up.

Cons to having a tier match maker system in FW:

• Longer match wait times (and now they are just barely tolerable imho).
  
• Doesn't affect stats, if you care, so you can't gain any increase/decrease to stats from FW.
  
• Negatively affects new players on teams being trained in FW (Tier 1 team lead dropping with three tier 5 cadets, for example).

Not to refute you but I don't think having a tier match maker for FW matches where skill levels are at least more comparable would weed out some of the more frivolous and inaccurate comments. MWO is full of sore losers who want basically everything that kills them more than twice penalized.





I think you youngsters out there use that ridiculous sounding word, "nerf."

Willard Phule, on 17 January 2017 - 08:00 AM, said:

{Inner Sphere pilots} brought this on yourself. The 50 tonners were under utilized due to the stormcrow being the favored medium of choice. But the whiners got our scouting tonnage reduced to 50....now you get to deal with hunchies and huntsmen.

Whining for crap you don't like to get a performance penalty doesn't solve sheet.
It just shows the world you're a sore loser.

[a gaijin]

Pariah Devalis, on 17 January 2017 - 10:41 AM, said:

Fun fact: the Huntsman should not be mocked in Scouting. I'd say the top two scouting platforms for us right now would be the laser hell Nova, and the Pakhet with 4x ASRM6 4x SPLas (less optimal version, but just as lethal, possible with non-hero pods), with the 2x SPLas 3x ASRM6 ECM Shadow Cat as a fantastic 45 ton semi-support option. Hunchback IIC-A is solid, but the HMN literally does it better, with much better hitboxes.

That said, I'm gonna be so sad when they release the mech for C-Bills.

Thanks for the tip.
Now I know which mech to buy for scout missions.





Looking at Huntsmen in the store right now and I may buy the ultimate pack today
$$$$$$

[Willard Phule]

Pariah Devalis, on 17 January 2017 - 10:41 AM, said:

Fun fact: the Huntsman should not be mocked in Scouting. I'd say the top two scouting platforms for us right now would be the laser hell Nova, and the Pakhet with 4x ASRM6 4x SPLas (less optimal version, but just as lethal, possible with non-hero pods), with the 2x SPLas 3x ASRM6 ECM Shadow Cat as a fantastic 45 ton semi-support option. Hunchback IIC-A is solid, but the HMN literally does it better, with much better hitboxes.

That said, I'm gonna be so sad when they release the mech for C-Bills. Those blasted potatoes will just slap streaks on the thing. What a travesty.

That was kind of my point. Everyone was relying on the easy button with the Streakcrow and dropping our tonnage by 5 forced us to play with the others. Hunchie and Huntsman seem to be the most brutal. Nova isn't bad, but it's too damn slow.

[SmokeGuar]

Huntsman is coming to c-bills in 2 to 3 weeks time, if you want to save real $. But thats your choice.

[Willard Phule]

SmokeGuar, on 17 January 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

Huntsman is coming to c-bills in 2 to 3 weeks time, if you want to save real $. But thats your choice.

Sitting on 22 mil right now. Grinding in Potato Warfare is easy, if you know how to play the bonuses.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Willard Phule, on 17 January 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

Hunchie and Huntsman seem to be the most brutal. Nova isn't bad, but it's too damn slow.

I'm confused, why is the Huntsman not too slow but the Nova is, when they both go the same speed.....

[a gaijin]

Jingseng, on 16 January 2017 - 10:24 PM, said:

OK.
to save time, wanna tell us the next 4 mechs that are kicking your *** that we should nerf? =P

Please, stop giving them ideas.

[chucklesMuch]

Pariah Devalis, on 17 January 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

As fun as it is, I was underwhelmed by the performance of the 8x ASRM4 setup. Very very hot, has difficulty dissipating that heat, and has very limited ammunition. SRMs are also more susceptible to bad hitreg, which is so incredibly frustrating.

This made for much sadness :,(

[Pariah Devalis]

chucklesMuch, on 17 January 2017 - 04:03 PM, said:

This made for much sadness :,(

I mean, when it registers, it is bloody hilarious, and I'm sure anyone would **** a brick if they went around a corner and saw 32 SRM tubes pointed at them....

Spoiler

Edit:

However, 4x ASRM6 in the torsos clusters tight enough, and backed up by 4x SPLas means you can more surgically remove parts without having to deal with ghost heat or rely 100% on terrible SRM registration. The ammo tonnage savings, and weapon tonnage savings also add up to better cooling, and at a 72 point alpha, at that, which is higher than pure splat.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 17 January 2017 - 05:55 PM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 17 January 2017 - 03:27 PM, said:

I'm confused, why is the Huntsman not too slow but the Nova is, when they both go the same speed.....

Ghost Badness, aka player psychology. They already have "the nova is bad" burned into their minds.

[Bombast]

Techorse, on 17 January 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

They already have "the nova is bad" burned into their minds.

Considering how hot the Nova runs, can you blame them?