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[Gentleman Reaper]

cazidin, on 19 January 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:

Is the bad thing adding battle values, or did you skip the second part?

All of it is the bad part, he added no positive

Edited by Gentleman Reaper, 19 January 2017 - 12:27 PM.

[Metus regem]

cazidin, on 19 January 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

How is THAT a dumb/bad design decision? That'd be awesome! Imagine a Nova jumping over the hill and hitting an Atlas on the head with it's sword!

It's a Clan mech, Clans generally speaking don't do melee. I think the Nova U is one of the few, clan mechs to mount melee weapons... it's also used for space boarding actions.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Fix all damage and heat to TT values - over 10 seconds. Change ammo counts accordingly, with tweaks to fix long-standing logical fails (like SRM ammo counts being 100/t instead of 120/t).

[Harbinger Kane]

Metus regem, on 19 January 2017 - 12:21 PM, said:

Spoiler

Why use flamers, swords will do.

Why not both, a little overkill never hurt anybody... well, anybody that's not a heretic...

[Metus regem]

Harbinger Kane, on 19 January 2017 - 12:32 PM, said:

Why not both, a little overkill never hurt anybody... well, anybody that's not a heretic...

[VorpalAnvil]

Man, you guys are even worse at this than Paul...

[cazidin]

VorpalAnvil, on 19 January 2017 - 01:06 PM, said:

Man, you guys are even worse at this than Paul...

If you REALLY want to see worse than Paul, maybe I should post what changed I would make?

[El Bandito]

cazidin, on 19 January 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

Greetings MechWarriors. Today I have a simple question. If you woke up one day and you are somehow the balance overlord of PGI, everything in this universe has been changed to accommodate this change in profession, even your 5th grade Math Teacher, how would you change MW:O?

You guys have fun with this thread. I wrote too many posts in regards to this particular situation over the years, I just do not feel like doing again anymore. Later!

[Bishop Steiner]

cazidin, on 19 January 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

Greetings MechWarriors. Today I have a simple question. If you woke up one day and you are somehow the balance overlord of PGI, everything in this universe has been changed to accommodate this change in profession, even your 5th grade Math Teacher, how would you change MW:O?

BUT WAIT! Before you answer! There's a balance to your decisions. Every buff must be met with a nerf, alternatively, every two intelligent changes must be met with a stupid decision that the community will focus on and hate you for. The positive changes cannot outweigh the negative ones for this purpose.

Or every two community excepted bad ideas with have to be met by a community challenged good one, that the cryhards QQ against because it removes their buttonmash alpha meta?

[Deathlike]

cazidin, on 19 January 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

Greetings MechWarriors. Today I have a simple question. If you woke up one day and you are somehow the balance overlord of PGI, everything in this universe has been changed to accommodate this change in profession, even your 5th grade Math Teacher, how would you change MW:O?

BUT WAIT! Before you answer! There's a balance to your decisions. Every buff must be met with a nerf, alternatively, every two intelligent changes must be met with a stupid decision that the community will focus on and hate you for. The positive changes cannot outweigh the negative ones for this purpose.

That's easy. I'd just fire the old balance overlord. I'm not sure if that's a buff or nerf. Then I'll do lots of balance iterations. I guess that's a buff.

So, for my nerf... I will randomly change gravity values on all maps "for teh lulz" and see what angry people will do to me.

[Kasumi Sumika]

1. If someone put 0 armor on arms you banned from the game

2. Put PPCs on chest instead of arms on Warhammer you banned from the game

3. Making IS XL can survive 1 ST loss and put salt on my popcorn

[Vellron2005]

Monkey Lover, on 19 January 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

Remove all quirks every mechs
Add battle values.
Balance the team not the mechs.

So says the Balance Lord.

Pretty much this..

[NighthawK1337]

200% AMS Damage Buff, +500% AMS fire rate, +500% AMS range.

Fire and Forget LRMs, 2 damage per missile, +500% missile velocity and -50% spread.


Now then what we're you saying about AMS being useless?

Edited by NighthawK1337, 20 January 2017 - 12:50 AM.

[Buster Machine 0]

Make every playstyle viable for both teams, make their techs balanced but uniquely different.

Basically what PGI is doing now...

Except the IS doesn't have any decent streakboats or ppc poptarts yet....

[RestosIII]

NighthawK1337, on 20 January 2017 - 12:44 AM, said:

No more Ghost Heat.


Double Ghost heat effects and half the number of weapons before triggering ghost heat.

I get the joke, but still.

[NighthawK1337]

RestosIII, on 20 January 2017 - 12:53 AM, said:

I get the joke, but still.

That was the old one, I changed it to AMS focus since in hindsight it's pretty bad.

[RestosIII]

NighthawK1337, on 20 January 2017 - 12:54 AM, said:

That was the old one, I changed it to AMS focus since in hindsight it's pretty bad.

This is why I hate posting on mobile. Takes forever to get gifs uploaded, and posts written out properly.

[Duke Nedo]

Half serious answer would be:

1. Balance engines first. IS and clan STD's buffed, ISXL buffed. Life is easier if we avoid the worst feast/famine situations (i.e. life/death in this case) so ISXL would survive one ST loss and get less structure quirks.

2. Balance weapons/equipment next on the principle that lighter/more compact stuff is worse than heavy/spacy stuff. There has to be trade-offs. I would keep many of the trade-offs we have now, like the range and weight vs. duration and heat for clan tech. Make IS generally stronger in a brawl, make clans stronger at range, that works. Remove more IS "blanket" quirks once techs are better balanced.

3. Adjust quirks to make mechs with bad geometry/bad hardpoints/handicapped by locked equipment viable, mainly with durability quirks. Also use weapons quirks to add niches and variant variety, BUT NOT VELOCITY. I hate that you have to re-learn leading PPC's when you get in a different mech....

Easy peasy.

[Willard Phule]

Since we're going out into the land of the bizarre....

How about this: Clan mechwarriors are supposed to be superior to IS. Not only because of the genetic breeding program, but because they're trained from birth. That kind of experience and skill is NOT represented by the "plz hold locks" elite, world class LRM masters that drop with the Clans.

So, how about this. New players are not allowed to choose Clan as a faction until they've completed certain things. Like X number of matches in QP, completing the tutorial, etc. That makes the Clans something to be achieved, not a repository for the clueless.

You can't balance experience and skill by tweaking the equipment.

[Karl Streiger]

I would change everything - there would not be a single number left unturned.
And about the stupid part - i would consider the best value and then i would use a dartboard to see how many "points" the final result will differ.