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[VitriolicViolet]

lol trying to claim gauss sucks. its only one of the most used and popular weapons in game up with the PPC. PPC Gauss anyone?

Edited: Gauss needs no improvement, if it did it would not be so popular

Edited by VitriolicViolet, 23 January 2017 - 03:45 PM.

[Dimento Graven]

Bombast, on 23 January 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Make up your mind, is the King Crab a great mech, or is it a fragile mech with ground scrapping hard points that can't carry enough firepower because all of it's variants have a predominately ballistic focus which precludes it from carrying real fire power?

It is a great 'mech, but it has low mounting points and it is extremely fragile.

It is not a top tier 'mech though, but it could be, if it was given 1/3 more durability.

I see no conflict here.

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While yes, this is a problem, and PGI is the final person to pass the buck, lets be honest here - We all know the reason. It's up at the top of this page, under the Mechwarrior Online logo.

Clan mechs get free CASE, durable XLs, smaller crit counts, lighter weapons, and longer range because them's the rules. And they get high mounted weapons because, well... go look at all the old art work. The Inner Sphere got cool looking mechs with interesting, varied designs and haphazard weapon placement. The Clans got uniform looking mechs that got a bunch of shoulder mounted weapons because theres, like, only 4 kinds of Clan battlemech arms and they're all little baby arms.

It's getting increasingly hard to take you seriously when you pretend not to know why things are the way they are. Because either you're fibbing, or you need to go find that out before throwing a fit and taking everyone else on.

So what, now you're stating that 30 year old artwork is going to trump balancing the game, because... It's better to look good than actually be good?

I am NOT going to use 'art work' as a justification for bad balance, or unnecessary nerfs, or an inability to change things for the better.

Now who's not being serious?

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You are just so precious.

I don't think I've ever asked for anyone else's thread to be shut down because I thought someone was 'mean' to me. So when I'm thinking 'precious'...

[cazidin]

Dimento Graven, on 23 January 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

It is a great 'mech, but it has low mounting points and it is extremely fragile.

It is not a top tier 'mech though, but it could be, if it was given 1/3 more durability.

I see no conflict here.

So what, now you're stating that 30 year old artwork is going to trump balancing the game, because... It's better to look good than actually be good?

I am NOT going to use 'art work' as a justification for bad balance, or unnecessary nerfs, or an inability to change things for the better.

Now who's not being serious?

I don't think I've ever asked for anyone else's thread to be shut down because I thought someone was 'mean' to me. So when I'm thinking 'precious'...

I'm not precious, I'm adorable, and you're a [redacted] hole.

[Dimento Graven]

Gas Guzzler, on 23 January 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

Isn't the dual gauss + 2 PPC build pretty much one of the best builds on the KGC? The only good build I can think of not involving gauss is the 4UAC5 build, but unless you are farming pugs on Sulfurous Rift, I think that is outclassed by the dual gauss plus lasers or dual gauss + PPC builds on the KGC. So if the best build on the KGC involves dual gauss, than why do we need to buff gauss again?

I'd argue the dual PPC version isn't the best build for the KGC. All that extra heat (16 vs 27 when comparing dual ERLL vs dual ERPPC) for only two more points of damage just doesn't seem to be worth it in my opinion, but hey, there's the key word right there, "opinion"... If you like it and make it work well, by means have at it.

[Bombast]

Dimento Graven, on 23 January 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

It is a great 'mech, but it has low mounting points and it is extremely fragile.

It is not a top tier 'mech though, but it could be, if it was given 1/3 more durability.

It's an assault mech - Pretty much the two pre-requisites for it being a good mech are weapon leverage and durability. The King Crab fails at both, quite spectacularly.

It's a subpar mech, at best.

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So what, now you're stating that 30 year old artwork is going to trump balancing the game, because... It's better to look good than actually be good?

I am NOT going to use 'art work' as a justification for bad balance, or unnecessary nerfs, or an inability to change things for the better.

That's not what I said, is it?

I was pointing out that you know exactly why the game is the way it is. Claiming otherwise is disingenuous.

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Now who's not being serious?

I'm still kind of hoping you aren't.

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I don't think I've ever asked for anyone else's thread to be shut down because I thought someone was 'mean' to me. So when I'm thinking 'precious'...

It's Cazidin. He's being a jester. Stop reading into it.

[Dimento Graven]

cazidin, on 23 January 2017 - 03:46 PM, said:

I'm not precious, I'm adorable, and you're a [redacted] hole.

I think 'precious' is a better fit, and I absolutely 100% admit to being an ********.

[Bombast]

Dimento Graven, on 23 January 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

I'd argue the dual PPC version isn't the best build for the KGC. All that extra heat (16 vs 27 when comparing dual ERLL vs dual ERPPC) for only two more points of damage just doesn't seem to be worth it in my opinion, but hey, there's the key word right there, "opinion"... If you like it and make it work well, by means have at it.

You think ERLLs are a substitute for ER/PPCs?

It's ok, guys, we can all go. He doesn't know what pin point damage is so this is all pointless.

Edited by Bombast, 23 January 2017 - 03:49 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Dimento Graven, on 23 January 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

I'd argue the dual PPC version isn't the best build for the KGC. All that extra heat (16 vs 27 when comparing dual ERLL vs dual ERPPC) for only two more points of damage just doesn't seem to be worth it in my opinion, but hey, there's the key word right there, "opinion"... If you like it and make it work well, by means have at it.

What both builds have in common is the dual Gauss though, which is the point I was making...

[cazidin]

Bombast, on 23 January 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

He's being a jester. Stop reading into it.

When did I say that I was joking? I want this thread shut down!

Dimento Graven, on 23 January 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

I think 'precious' is a better fit, and I absolutely 100% admit to being an ********.

Well, at least you're honest with and acknowledge your faults. Admitting that you have a problem is the first step to fixing it.

[Dimento Graven]

Bombast, on 23 January 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

It's an assault mech - Pretty much the two pre-requisites for it being a good mech are weapon leverage and durability. The King Crab fails at both, quite spectacularly.

It's a subpar mech, at best.

Hmmm, I've done extremely well in it.

But I'm not one of those 'spray and pray' players needing a huge alpha to rack up damage and kills.

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That's not what I said, is it?

I was pointing out that you know exactly why the game is the way it is. Claiming otherwise is disingenuous.

No, I do not understand how 'art work' means we can't have a version of the Atlas with a high ballistic mount point, or why Omni 'mechs can't have their heaviest weapons mounted LOWER towards the center of gravity (as possible 'reason') to enhance game balance.

"Well the picture is the rule of law, can't change that..."

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I'm still kind of hoping you aren't.

And I'm hoping you're not actually justifying it, because you appear to be arguing for just that, artwork trumping balance. If you're using it as an explanation as to why things STARTED OUT the way they did, I totally agree. However, it's been what? Close to 5 years now, at some point someone in charge has to realize, "Y'know what, following the pictures EXACTLY, REALLY doesn't matter all that much... Better to do it the way it's right for balance..."

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It's Cazidin. He's being a jester. Stop reading into it.

Meh. He kind of seems serious...

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Dimento Graven, on 23 January 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

But I'm not one of those 'spray and pray' players needing a huge alpha to rack up damage and kills.

Spray and pray and huge alphas do not go together.........

[Bombast]

Dimento Graven, on 23 January 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

But I'm not one of those 'spray and pray' players needing a huge alpha to rack up damage and kills.

If you are using ER Large Lasers, than you are a spray and pray player.

[Dimento Graven]

Bombast, on 23 January 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

You think ERLLs are a substitute for ER/PPCs?

It's ok, guys, we can all go. He doesn't know what pin point damage is so this is all pointless.

Totally serious. If you can aim, and follow your target with your beam, I find the performance with dual ERLL/dual gauss superior than with dual ERPPC/dual gauss.

ERLL's fire faster, only do 1 point less damage, and generate 5.5 less heat per shot. That plus being 1 slot smaller and 2 tons lighter, provides me with more ammo/heat sink/engine tonnage and space.

I've regularly racked up 5 and 6 kill, 1000+ point games with that configuration.

It works for me.

cazidin, on 23 January 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

...

Well, at least you're honest with and acknowledge your faults. Admitting that you have a problem is the first step to fixing it.

Me being an a-hole isn't a problem, for me at least.

If it's a problem for you well... I'm an a-hole, what do I care?

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 January 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

Spray and pray and huge alphas do not go together.........

Apparently we are experiencing two different games...

Bombast, on 23 January 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

If you are using ER Large Lasers, than you are a spray and pray player.

Really? Do YOU really find it that hard to hold your cursor steady on a target for only 1.25 seconds?

If so, that would explain a lot about your perspective in this discussion.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Dimento Graven, on 23 January 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

Apparently we are experiencing two different games...

NO, you just don't understand apparently that you don't "spray and pray" large alphas because they generally have high heat attached to them (ie you can't spam them). Now if you are talking about dakka boats then spray and pray is more applicable since they are intended to put more volume of damage down wind but those don't have high alphas.

In other words, you are throwing words around to make yourself look better for using a mediocre build and mech.

Dimento Graven, on 23 January 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

Really? Do YOU really find it that hard to hold your cursor steady on a target for only 1.25 seconds?

It would explain why you die easier than normal for a King Crab, because you are facetanking for the entire 1.25 seconds. If you don't understand that the duration isn't just about being able to hold the laser on target then there isn't much else to discuss.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 23 January 2017 - 04:07 PM.

[Dimento Graven]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 January 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

NO, you just don't understand apparently that you don't "spray and pray" large alphas because they generally have high heat attached to them (ie you can't spam them). Now if you are talking about dakka boats then spray and pray is more applicable since they are intended to put more volume of damage down wind but those don't have high alphas.

In other words, you are throwing words around to make yourself look better for using a mediocre build and mech.

And yet, so often you observe people in game with those 50 or 60+ alphas, not bothering to target their enemy, just firing and not holding stead on any particular location.

So yeah, that's 'spray and pray'.

[cazidin]

Dimento Graven, on 23 January 2017 - 04:03 PM, said:

Me being an a-hole isn't a problem, for me at least.

If it's a problem for you well... I'm an a-hole, what do I care?

I'm beginning to understand and like you slightly. However, you really should reconsider this tactic if you want people to see the merits of your proposal, and not simply respond to you in kind.

[Carl Vickers]

Dimento Graven, on 23 January 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

And yet, so often you observe people in game with those 50 or 60+ alphas, not bothering to target their enemy, just firing and not holding stead on any particular location.

So yeah, that's 'spray and pray'.

No, thats bad aim and sensitivity too high on a mouse, not spray and pray.

[RestosIII]

[Quicksilver Aberration]

RestosIII, on 23 January 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

You should probably just avoid most threads, you say this a lot

[RestosIII]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 January 2017 - 04:15 PM, said:

You should probably just avoid most threads, you say this a lot

I already drained my weekly allowance for **** with the Cheetah garbage. I can't handle any more after that.