26 replies to this topic

[Cygone]

This map needs to be removed, its far far far to biased for Clan.

ECM coverage makes trading ERPPC almost impossible, Clan can see their targets while IS are searching for pixles.

Due to the 240 drop tonnage, thier are more Hellbringer's than anything else, straight up breaks the mode.

Dont get me started on on the PPFLD of the Night Gyr,

Honestly, its not just this map that suffers from the massive ECM advantage, a huge number of smaller maps are basically dark, ECM is way to strong.

ECM needs to be changed or preferably removed from the Hellbringer (yes Lore takes a back seat to balance)

[K O Z A K]

Hmm, I get a lot of drops where the IS wrecks clans on polar with ERLL spam

[Carl Vickers]

Op needs to learn the correct mechs and builds to take to Polar.

[justcallme A S H]

Cygone, on 23 January 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

Honestly, its not just this map that suffers from the massive ECM advantage, a huge number of smaller maps are basically dark, ECM is way to strong.

ECM needs to be changed or preferably removed from the Hellbringer (yes Lore takes a back seat to balance)

Base sensor range is 800m. So what does ECM have to do on a map where most engagements are 1000m+ ?, nothing.
Sounds like you are losing to basic map awareness, nothing else.

Bring the correct IS mechs with ERL/ERPPC

BLR1G
GHP5P
BJ3

There are half a dozen other mechs that are equally quirked out and actually out range/DPS/trade Clan mechs.

A 4 ERL HBR vs a 5ERL GHP
1. HBR takes longer to shoot as duration of cERL is higher
3. BOTH have basically the game range
4. GHP does more damage per trade
5. GHP does more precise dmg due to lower burn time

There is nothing wrong with Polar, it is just the mechs/builds you are bringing.

A Gauss shot does sweet FA @ 1300m.

[Carl Vickers]

I was on Alpine the other day and had a dual gauss dire whale shooting me at 1400m.

I just stood there in my 5 erlarge battlemaster and kept shooting him, good trades for me as I took exactly zero damage, didnt even bother hiding. He must have shot me 10+ times.

Some people need to learn what weapons do what damage at range.

[Daidachi]

Carl Vickers, on 23 January 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

I was on Alpine the other day and had a dual gauss dire whale shooting me at 1400m.

I just stood there in my 5 erlarge battlemaster and kept shooting him, good trades for me as I took exactly zero damage, didnt even bother hiding. He must have shot me 10+ times.

Some people need to learn what weapons do what damage at range.

Or pay attention to patch notes when it specifies that the damage dropoff point for Gauss has been reduced.

[K O Z A K]

The only thing better than seeing a lurm boat on your team.......seeing a lurm boat persistently shooting missiles at a target outside of 1km

[Carl Vickers]

Hazeclaw, on 23 January 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

The only thing better than seeing a lurm boat on your team.......seeing a lurm boat persistently shooting missiles at a target outside of 1km

I like to watch lurms as they explode in mid air before hitting anything, fireworks.

[Davegt27]

it might be helpful if you posted your super duper drop deck instead of saying get good

video might help so we can see how good you are

[Carl Vickers]

Davegt27, on 23 January 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

it might be helpful if you posted your super duper drop deck instead of saying get good

video might help so we can see how good you are

There are lots of posts in the FW section with what mechs and builds to take, or you could go to meta mechs and find them there like most decent players do.

Really, im not that good, middle of the road but still better than you, how do I know, Ive seen you play.

[AnTi90d]

Decent IS ERLL / PPC snipe decks:

Awesome 8Q/ Grasshopper 5p/ Grasshopper 5p/ Blackjack 3
Battlemaster / Grasshopper 5p / Thunderbolt 9s / Blackjack 3
Battlemaster / Grasshopper 5p/ Grasshopper 5p/ Cicada
Grasshopper 5p/ Grasshopper 5p/ Grasshopper 5p/ Shadowhawk 2k
Awesome 8Q / Grasshopper 5p / Thunderbolt 9s / Shadowhawk 2k

..et cetera..

Just look for high energy mounts / laser range quirks / ppc speed quirks and slap together enough tonnage to fill your cap.

[Starbomber109]

Davegt27, on 23 January 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

it might be helpful if you posted your super duper drop deck instead of saying get good

video might help so we can see how good you are

Edit:
But as I have learned, it's not the size of your mech, its how you use it .

The GHRs are very tall, stick to the trenches and behind the snow-dunes until the moment is right, there's plenty of cover if you stay in the trenches. There's a trench that basically does a giant ring around the center of the map. You can stay in it and flank the enemy (try to convince your team to come with you) To avoid LRMs on this map, all that is required is radar deprevation and breaking line of sight, if you continue moving to one side (left/right) of the inc missiles they will all miss you. The 5P with ERLL can poke very hard, the other two need a bit more backup, but are more brutal in close range brawls.

Edited by Starbomber109, 23 January 2017 - 04:40 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Daidachi, on 23 January 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

Or pay attention to patch notes when it specifies that the damage dropoff point for Gauss has been reduced.

Indeed.

The amount of people trying to Gauss @ 1300m+ lately is amusing. They clearly haven't paid attention to the changes.

Davegt27, on 23 January 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

it might be helpful if you posted your super duper drop deck instead of saying get good

video might help so we can see how good you are

BLG1G - 6ERL
GHP 5P - 5ERL
WHM - 3ERL / 5LL


Job done.

There is nothing super dooper about it. Just look at the mechs, pick the ones with range quirks of +10%, preferrably ones with laser duration as well.

There are a dozen mechs that fit the ERL bill. And then another half dozen with ERPPC, IIRC a BLR variant gets to 940m base with quirks/modules.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 23 January 2017 - 04:40 PM.

[Codpond]

i believe the op is referring to the clan range advantage vs no quirks on IS. You know people who are casual just don't put in the time to optimize drop decks for many reasons. I myself am a nurse and work A LOT. I love battletech and am willing to put some time into both getting better and grinding them c-bills to optimize my IS builds/decks. Clans are like plug and play for casuals where IS is more geared for the analog player. I believe a handful of is mechs are simply better than the clan mechs (battle master, thunderbolt, srm ac20 atlas to name a few) due to quirks and viable mounts. But you have to admit it takes a lot more knowledge and care to craft a good IS mech than a clan mech of the same weight class (generally speaking). When I want to play battletech I play IS. When I want to play casual I play clans. That's just me though. And omnipods while leveling mechs... So much better.

[Fake News]

Cygone, on 23 January 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

This map needs to be removed, its far far far to biased for Clan.

ECM coverage makes trading ERPPC almost impossible, Clan can see their targets while IS are searching for pixles.

Due to the 240 drop tonnage, thier are more Hellbringer's than anything else, straight up breaks the mode.

Dont get me started on on the PPFLD of the Night Gyr,

Honestly, its not just this map that suffers from the massive ECM advantage, a huge number of smaller maps are basically dark, ECM is way to strong.

ECM needs to be changed or preferably removed from the Hellbringer (yes Lore takes a back seat to balance)

i think you dont understand the range advantage you have.

[K O Z A K]

Philocrates, on 23 January 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

i believe the op is referring to the clan range advantage vs no quirks on IS. You know people who are casual just don't put in the time to optimize drop decks for many reasons. I myself am a nurse and work A LOT. I love battletech and am willing to put some time into both getting better and grinding them c-bills to optimize my IS builds/decks. Clans are like plug and play for casuals where IS is more geared for the analog player. I believe a handful of is mechs are simply better than the clan mechs (battle master, thunderbolt, srm ac20 atlas to name a few) due to quirks and viable mounts. But you have to admit it takes a lot more knowledge and care to craft a good IS mech than a clan mech of the same weight class (generally speaking). When I want to play battletech I play IS. When I want to play casual I play clans. That's just me though. And omnipods while leveling mechs... So much better.

Clan Omnimechs are more expensive to buy, but then less expensive to outfit (come with preinstalled gear, something that can be both good and bad). IS and Clan Battlemechs are cheaper to buy, but then you end up spending the same outfitting them. It is still pretty easy to build really dumb clan mechs. Quirks is the best developers came up with trying to balance gameplay between 2 sides that they really want to feel different playing, and to make mechs that have inherent weaknesses still be playable. This means IS players have to know one more dimension of "what works", but in order to be a good clan player you basically have to learn it anyways to understand what you're fighting.

...This is how this game works...

[Dutchoper72]

I wouldn't mind more taller rocks.

[exiledangel]

advance zoom dos wonders for hitting at those ranges just saying

[justcallme A S H]

Yeah if people don't have ADVZ equipped, then, you might as well forget trying to trade effectively @ 800m+

Edited by justcallme A S H, 23 January 2017 - 07:39 PM.

[Aiden Skye]

Most people don't stack advanced sensor range and active probes so sensor range is usually the default 750m. Outside of 750m there are no locks anyway unless someone is scouting and or has adv sensor range or an active probe....so ECM isn't even a factor at the ranges most of the trading happens on polar.

And if ECM is pissing you off so much slap a tag laser on.