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[Deathlike]

His brain is flat.

PotatoWarrior Online... with moar fries!

[Felicitatem Parco]

Mcgral18, on 26 January 2017 - 07:43 PM, said:

If half of them fail to deal 200 damage, I'm going to blame them


Sorry

The guy complaining dealt 133 damage. Do you support his blame of his teammates for causing the loss...?

I, personally, would include him in the cause of loss, and thus he could only validly complain about his teammates if he openly conceded being part of the problem.

[Bishop Steiner]

RestosIII, on 26 January 2017 - 09:05 PM, said:

TIR the Earth is actually just a giant despair cube. That explains things.

well, this is what the earth looks like without water....


pretty crazy, right?

[no one]

I think we've all been where that angry man is at some point though. I frequently have matches where I'll move into partial cover 200 m in front of my team and trading with the enemy, only to have the enemy gradually roll over my position while the rest of my team to a man hides, flees, scatters or squirrels off instead of taking position and returning fire. Without cover fire, you can be well and truly hosed and it can well and truly not be anything you did wrong. So yeah, he may be an angry man, but I can easily imagine he's not wrong.

[Mcgral18]

Prosperity Park, on 26 January 2017 - 09:07 PM, said:

The guy complaining dealt 133 damage. Do you support his blame of his teammates for causing the loss...?

I, personally, would include him in the cause of loss, and thus he could only validly complain about his teammates if he openly conceded being part of the problem.

Naturally, he's just as responsible as any
Out of position, ganked from the rear, RNGeesus plzno situations. They'll happen


Everyone does Terribad every now and then
Some more than others

It's safe to say, you'll typically see 5 people with sub 200 damage (an improvement from the old 6) in my Tier 1 matches. I should probably run numbers, but that's what I see an awful lot of the time, both wins and losses.

I'm rarely among them, bar a cap race or VIP running into a firing line
I can shoot robots



I can get salty after a string of losses, where ~half the team consistently fails to shoot robots
I play Shooty Stompy Robots, but that makes it hard to shoot robots, when it's 12 VS 4.

Edited by Mcgral18, 26 January 2017 - 11:36 PM.

[PhoenixFire55]

He blames "half" of his team, and half of his team failed to produce even 100 dmg. Dude cleary does have a point. Only two on his team showed up for a fight (the Phract and the Warhawk), the rest were pretty much full potatoe mode.

[Willard Phule]

Sorry, man, if 10 of the 12 guys on my team are packing LRMs and decide to just stand in one place the entire match, I'm not "coordinating" with them. Hell, I'm going to stay behind them and try to pick off the baddies as they roll over the target fixated, unable to unzoom LRM potatoes.

[Quandoo]

The best way to score high in PUGs is to use ECM mechs and completly ignore team play. There is no point to play as a T1 player in team with T4 (yes, matchmaking is broken). They will fail in tactics and skill and make this game boring for you. You will still raise your rank, or at least don't lose it.

Edited by Quandoo, 27 January 2017 - 03:52 AM.

[Shalune]

Scout Derek, on 26 January 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

That's perfectly fine. but if you don't attempt to then you're just as much as fault for not trying.

That's ********. I don't trash talk my team because it doesn't solve anything, but this 'if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem' is false binary ******* ********.

For example I had a game earlier where I got 2nd damage on my team in an AC20 urbie. I stuck with the team. I supported them as best I could. That team played ******* terribly. Did I tell them as much? No. That'd be selfish and mean. Could I have done more to help my team by attempting to lead or some ****? Yes. But that doesn't mean that I didn't make an objectively greater contribution to the team than most of them. (When I say most I'm including some of the people below me in damage as having potentially contributed similarly. They, like me, may have been doing all the right things to support the team and been left dry by their poor performance.)

Trying to claim all or nothing logic is valid is like saying every German alive in the 30s and 40s is equally responsible for the events of WWII because they didn't all try to assassinate {Godwin's Law}. "But there's more they could have done" This is an intentionally ridiculous example to illustrate the absurdity of your logic.

And the stats at the end? Don't do that. Really what you're doing is no better than the guy you called out. You're using metrics in the game as an excuse to be a douchebag to other people. Criticize his behaviour, sure. But unless you were watching him play for all we know he was doing all the right things and got unlucky or screwed by his team.

[QuantumButler]

Mcgral18, on 26 January 2017 - 07:43 PM, said:

If half of them fail to deal 200 damage, I'm going to blame them


Sorry

200 is borderline, now if half of them are doing double digits they deserve all the scorn they get.

[Scout Derek]

Shalune, on 27 January 2017 - 08:03 AM, said:

That's ********. I don't trash talk my team because it doesn't solve anything, but this 'if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem' is false binary ******* ********.

For example I had a game earlier where I got 2nd damage on my team in an AC20 urbie. I stuck with the team. I supported them as best I could. That team played ******* terribly. Did I tell them as much? No. That'd be selfish and mean. Could I have done more to help my team by attempting to lead or some ****? Yes. But that doesn't mean that I didn't make an objectively greater contribution to the team than most of them. (When I say most I'm including some of the people below me in damage as having potentially contributed similarly. They, like me, may have been doing all the right things to support the team and been left dry by their poor performance.)

Trying to claim all or nothing logic is valid is like saying every German alive in the 30s and 40s is equally responsible for the events of WWII because they didn't all try to assassinate {Godwin's Law}. "But there's more they could have done" This is an intentionally ridiculous example to illustrate the absurdity of your logic.

And the stats at the end? Don't do that. Really what you're doing is no better than the guy you called out. You're using metrics in the game as an excuse to be a douchebag to other people. Criticize his behaviour, sure. But unless you were watching him play for all we know he was doing all the right things and got unlucky or screwed by his team.

your argument supporting claim about Germans is a bit over the edge don't you think?

[Trollfeed]

no one, on 26 January 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

I think we've all been where that angry man is at some point though. I frequently have matches where I'll move into partial cover 200 m in front of my team and trading with the enemy, only to have the enemy gradually roll over my position while the rest of my team to a man hides, flees, scatters or squirrels off instead of taking position and returning fire. Without cover fire, you can be well and truly hosed and it can well and truly not be anything you did wrong. So yeah, he may be an angry man, but I can easily imagine he's not wrong.

This is the exact situation where I start to fling salt around. Altough I'll make sure to at least have few kills and 400+ damage so my accusations have some weight behind them. Matches like that usually end with most of the team having under 200 damage done.

[Inti Raymi]

Quandoo, on 27 January 2017 - 03:45 AM, said:

The best way to score high in PUGs is to use ECM mechs and completly ignore team play. There is no point to play as a T1 player in team with T4 (yes, matchmaking is broken). They will fail in tactics and skill and make this game boring for you. You will still raise your rank, or at least don't lose it.

I left the game for a couple of months. I came back to ... well, it's indescribable. It's like being at an insane football match where the crowd squeezes in from behind and you are crushed against a fence. And that's only when you get a group (rare) that doesn't believe you can win if you pull the covers over your head and hope the boogeyman doesn't get you.

A few matches in and I think I'll check in again in a few months.

The long answer is "this is a game with a large learning curve." The short? The game is populated by people whose increase in IQ can be traced to their belt line.

[Almond Brown]

A new Game mode is in order. 12 v 1. Check a Box (we will call it the Hero Box) and you get to go out versus the other 12 alone, because obviously, the other 11 players are always just getting in the way of your glorious self...

[Starbomber109]

Mcgral18, on 26 January 2017 - 07:43 PM, said:

If half of them fail to deal 200 damage, I'm going to blame them


Sorry

What if one of those people was you? Are you going to blame yourself?

When I lose a game I tend to think about what I could have done differently regardless of what my team did. It's way more worthwhile to analyze your own performance first than those of your allies. I'm under the belief that a good enough player can carry any team of 11 randoms.

Edit: on a slightly related note, how do you do 0 dmg in a KDK-3???

Edited by Starbomber109, 27 January 2017 - 09:34 AM.

[Mcgral18]

Starbomber109, on 27 January 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

What if one of those people was you? Are you going to blame yourself?

When I lose a game I tend to think about what I could have done differently regardless of what my team did. It's way more worthwhile to analyze your own performance first than those of your allies. I'm under the belief that a good enough player can carry any team of 11 randoms.

Edit: on a slightly related note, how do you do 0 dmg in a KDK-3???

I hate doing Terribad
I'm glad it rarely happens

When I get 600-1200 damage, I wouldn't be the main cause of the loss, barring objective.
The 5+ people who failed to deal 200 damage? That had a disastrous affect, and there's nothing you can do about that, other than shouting:
PUG LIFE


You'll rarely be able to carry 8 Terribad performances
Closest I've come is 8 Solo Kills, 10 KMDD and 1500 damage
Safe to say, I was the MVP
RIP SupaHunchDakkaBear

[Scout Derek]

Mcgral18, on 27 January 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

I hate doing Terribad
I'm glad it rarely happens

When I get 600-1200 damage, I wouldn't be the main cause of the loss, barring objective.
The 5+ people who failed to deal 200 damage? That had a disastrous affect, and there's nothing you can do about that, other than shouting:
PUG LIFE


You'll rarely be able to carry 8 Terribad performances
Closest I've come is 8 Solo Kills, 10 KMDD and 1500 damage
Safe to say, I was the MVP
RIP SupaHunchDakkaBear

SupaHunchDakkaBear just took a arrow to the knee, he used to be a good mech like the Atlas before clans came.

[Hank Wildcarde]

I usually try to lead the team over VOIP (with varying results). I tell the team to cover the assaults, go to grid XYZ, focus fire Alpha Timber etc...

- When it works it's priceless and immensely rewarding (and surprising how often others with VOIP chip in and help out with calls).

- When it doesn't because of my screw up calling a bad push or similar I apologise.

- When it doesn't because half the team just don't listen ("DON'T CHASE THAT SQUIRREL" five times just as the main enemy force pushes...) it can get immensely frustrating and I'm afraid I'm guilty of typing those sorts of messages on occasion out of sheer frustration.

[Ghogiel]

How is they guy wrong? he said half the team was being potatoes. As long as he was counting himself in those potatoes he is exactly correct. 6 of the 12 players on the team played like garbage.

[Scout Derek]

Ghogiel, on 27 January 2017 - 10:36 AM, said:

How is they guy wrong? he said half the team was being potatoes. As long as he was counting himself in those potatoes he is exactly correct. 6 of the 12 players on the team played like garbage.

Here's the thing; he didn't count himself in those potatoes. notice how he says "my team", and not "we".