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#21 naterist

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 02:32 PM

View PostSuperFunkTron, on 27 January 2017 - 02:08 PM, said:


I think that we've got plenty of world leaders who consistently prove that comically bad successions of ruling are not just possible, but a regular thing.


From a historical viewpoint, thats normally a sign that that civilisation is about to collapse and be replaced or conquered and subjected. ○_○

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 02:48 PM

Inner Sphere


Draconis Combine (Kurita)--Ancient Japanese-fixated culture. Bushido is a driving force in military matters. As such, House Kurita fields a large number of highly skilled MechWarriors whose approach to one-on-one combat comes closest to that of the Clans

Lyran Commonwealth (Steiner)--merchantile culture with a military burdened by 'social' generals (people given rank for political or monetary connections). Tend to make up military shortcomings by 'going bigger' resulting in such tropes as the 'scout lance' of Atlases. Currently the Commonwealth is part of the FedCom super-state, with a military largely organized on Federated Suns principals

Federated Suns (Davion)--field one of the largest, most competent armies in the Inner Sphere with a highly evolved combined-arms doctrine and military leadership that is skilled, experienced, and motivated.

Free Worlds League (Marik)--It calls itself a democracy and has a civil war at least once a generation. It's military is not as skilled as Kurita, as heavy as Steiner, or as developed as Davion. the FWL makes up for this by fielding the most technologically-advanced military outside of the Clans or ComStar

Capellan Confederation (Liao)--Laio forces are fanatical. Also adept at finding ways to use what they have, and sometimes field prototype tech in front-line combat. The Raven was a Liao attempt to revitalize electronic warfare, and they were the first to incorporate triple-strength myomer (which the Fed Suns wanted them to do for...reasons).

ComStar--quasi-religious, officially-neutral, interfering busy-bodies. They have (they think) a monopoly on interstellar communications and are perfectly willing to use it to their own ends. Their goals fluctuate with who is in charge, but they've deliberately hastened the decline of technology in the past. Their military is equipped with Star League-surplus/vintage equipment which puts them up on the various houses, but they've only been organized a very short time, and while their training is generally good their actual combat experience is effectively nil.

The Clans



Smoke Jaguars--Highly skilled individually and hyper-aggressive. Poor management of civilian castes have seen this Clan thrive largely by seizing others' resources. They call it a 'Trial of Possession', but some spheroids regard it as armed theft writ large. Follow the Crusader ideology. Strongly believe in overwhelming force. Orbital bombardment is not out of the question.

Jade Falcon--Crusaders. The banking power-house of the Clans, their financial dealings have more than made up for other civilian-caste shortcomings. Their military is quite rigid in organization, communication, and doctrine. Generally will not discard zellbrigen (the Clan custom of single combat), or stoop to other dishonorable tactics. A few, however, are capable of being flexible enough to employ artillery, destroy civilian infrastructure if military necessity dictates, and the like.

Ghost Bear--Crusader today, Warden tomorrow. Steiner-like in a fondness for massive, hulking machines of doom and destruction. Notably does not employ aerospace-genotype instead using MechWarrior for pilots. Competent, noble, and not without a sense of humor (they once wagered a planet's future loyalty on the outcome of a game of North American-rules football).

Clan Wolf--even split of Crusaders and Wardens with Warden-leaning leadership. Long-range planners, with an even-handed approach to integrating new territories has ensured they take more planets faster, while their newly occupied territories are not as rife with rebellion as other Clans. Tactically flexible, notably they came up with the headhunting tactic, and they include specialized artillery mechs in front-line galaxies despite the Clans general view that artillery is not honorable.

Steel Viper--a reserve Clan, Crusaders. Probably the best strategists in the Clans come from Steel Viper, but were not active in the Inner Sphere long enough to develop appropriate tactical response against typical IS tactics. Still, senior leadership at Tukayyid recognized the disadvantageous position they were in early enough that when SV withdrew they suffered only 10% losses.

Nova Cat--reserve Clan, (generally) Warden. A bunch of dreamers. Their military is noted for any particular strengths, but neither does it suffer from any of the weaknesses some of the other Clans exhibit.

Diamond Shark--Reserve Clan, (generally) Crusader. Cut-throat merchants. Think Ferengi with Mechs. Don't make any deals with them because you'll lose even when you think you win. Their warriors are competent (the Clans don't have any warriors who aren't competent), but new enough to the Inner Sphere that they don't really get that they aren't fighting bandits, or even other Clans.

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 02:51 PM

View Postnaterist, on 27 January 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

From a historical viewpoint, thats normally a sign that that civilisation is about to collapse and be replaced or conquered and subjected. ○_○

I've been hearing the threats of world war 3 for so long now that I think people over estimate a country's reach most of the time :P

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 03:16 PM

View PostI_AM_ZUUL, on 27 January 2017 - 01:29 PM, said:


Its a Lyre... as in a musical instrument not "coin."

Yes, my mistake. Brainfart happens, i was thinking about lira, not lyre. Lyre with three strings was a symbol of Commonwealth at beginning.

Edited by Sigmar Sich, 27 January 2017 - 03:24 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2017 - 03:28 PM

View PostKael Posavatz, on 27 January 2017 - 02:48 PM, said:

Smoke Jaguars--Highly skilled individually and hyper-aggressive. Poor management of civilian castes have seen this Clan thrive largely by seizing others' resources. They call it a 'Trial of Possession', but some spheroids regard it as armed theft writ large. Follow the Crusader ideology. Strongly believe in overwhelming force. Orbital bombardment is not out of the question.


One guy. ONE GUY! Once, One time, in all of Operation Revival ever orbitally bombarded a city and he was quickly shunned and then killed via Trial for doing it.

Crikey. Should we say Free Worlds League is the "nuke happy faction" because they adopted a scorched earth policy during the 1st Succession war and used nuclear weapons ON CIVILIANS?

"As Lyran forces gained the upper hand during the battle, the desperate (Free Worlds) League commander resorted to scorched earth tactics—including the use of tactical nuclear weapons—that not only obliterated key military installations on the planet, but also rendered the entire continent of Sabari uninhabitable." page 35, Handbook: House Steiner (35001)

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 03:39 PM

View PostThroat Punch, on 27 January 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:



Crikey. Should we say Free Worlds League is the "nuke happy faction" because they adopted a scorched earth policy during the 1st Succession war and used nuclear weapons ON CIVILIANS?



It's not like they here harboring the Word Of Blake or anything....Posted Image Posted Image

'Cause I'm sure that all of ComStar is on the up and up...

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By the way, never-mind that Super Nova in the background....

#27 Shiroi Tsuki

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 03:40 PM

Why is the FRR always left out on this stuff
Space Viking lives matter too

#28 Metus regem

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 03:41 PM

View PostShiroi Tsuki, on 27 January 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

Why is the FRR always left out on this stuff
Space Viking lives matter too



Depends on when we are talking, 3025 no FFR, 3050-ish Yes FFR, post Invasion no FRR.....

#29 Shiroi Tsuki

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 03:43 PM

View PostMetus regem, on 27 January 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:



Depends on when we are talking, 3025 no FFR, 3050-ish Yes FFR, post Invasion no FRR.....

View PostSuperFunkTron, on 27 January 2017 - 12:26 PM, said:

Clan invasion is the point of interest so about 3052/3053


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Posted 27 January 2017 - 03:52 PM

View PostShiroi Tsuki, on 27 January 2017 - 03:40 PM, said:

Why is the FRR always left out on this stuff
Space Viking lives matter too

Do you happen to know anything about them beyond them being space vikings? I spent hours trying to find some info on their tactics, but all i got was that they are generally anti oriental and eventually mate with ghost bear. Isn't that in one of the episodes from that new vikings tv show?

#31 Johnny Z

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 04:08 PM

Why isn't this in game? Also I hope a lot of this is decided through game play somehow.

#32 Kael Posavatz

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 04:18 PM

View PostThroat Punch, on 27 January 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

One guy. ONE GUY! Once, One time, in all of Operation Revival ever orbitally bombarded a city and he was quickly shunned and then killed via Trial for doing it.

Crikey. Should we say Free Worlds League is the "nuke happy faction" because they adopted a scorched earth policy during the 1st Succession war and used nuclear weapons ON CIVILIANS?


I call a Trial of Possession 'armed theft writ large' and you take issue with my statement that they used orbital bombardment?

Shesh, what you get for trying to inject some levity and fun.

As for nuke-happy people, the Taurians come immediately to mind. And at certain points in the succession wars people were throwing around bioweps and chemical agents. But the question was major factions circa 3050.


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Posted 27 January 2017 - 04:18 PM

Also this might be relevant

https://mwomercs.com...n-play/factions

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 04:20 PM

Search the net for the Shattered Sphere BattleTech supplement. It was printed in the late 80s or early 90s as I recall. I think mine is still in a box in my garage somewhere but it had leaders, where military units were stationed and some fluff notes on which mechs and weapons were available.

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 04:50 PM

View PostKael Posavatz, on 27 January 2017 - 02:48 PM, said:

Diamond Shark--Reserve Clan, (generally) Crusader. Cut-throat merchants. Think Ferengi with Mechs. Don't make any deals with them because you'll lose even when you think you win. Their warriors are competent (the Clans don't have any warriors who aren't competent), but new enough to the Inner Sphere that they don't really get that they aren't fighting bandits, or even other Clans.


Gonna correct you on this one. On the books, Crusader. In philosophy, Warden. The warrior castes got a bit crazy due to Hawker for a short bit, but they always believed that the "PURGE!" mentality of Jade Falcon and Smoke Jaguar weren't a good reason to invade, and were in the Crusader group mostly to try and keep it all from being a major blood bath.

And we actually liked Freebirths, allowing them in our military (Outside of Hawker being an idiot), and treat all of the castes well, including any major decision the Clan has to make being voted on by the ENTIRE Clan. Plus we created the ChatterWeb, aka internet.

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 04:59 PM

View PostRestosIII, on 27 January 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:


Gonna correct you on this one. On the books, Crusader. In philosophy, Warden. The warrior castes got a bit crazy due to Hawker for a short bit, but they always believed that the "PURGE!" mentality of Jade Falcon and Smoke Jaguar weren't a good reason to invade, and were in the Crusader group mostly to try and keep it all from being a major blood bath.

And we actually liked Freebirths, allowing them in our military (Outside of Hawker being an idiot), and treat all of the castes well, including any major decision the Clan has to make being voted on by the ENTIRE Clan. Plus we created the ChatterWeb, aka internet.


and eventually got smart and became Clan Sea Fox again... like they should have been the whole time!!!!!!!

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 05:01 PM

View PostI_AM_ZUUL, on 27 January 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:


and eventually got smart and became Clan Sea Fox again... like they should have been the whole time!!!!!!!


Still waiting for any proof of that letter the Clan Khans had you keep talking about btw.

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 05:03 PM

but people talking about the nuclear bombardment of Turtle Bay on Edo seem to have missed the point... it was not an Attack. It was done intentionally on civilians and was viewed as doing the right thing because those civilians were clearly INSANE from the viewpoint of the Smoke Jaguars point of view. Read what Khan Kincaid has to say about it as well as a Comstar breakdown of it...

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 05:07 PM

View PostRestosIII, on 27 January 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:


Still waiting for any proof of that letter the Clan Khans had you keep talking about btw.


I have not forgotten... just got distracted rereading exactly why I hate ClanWolverine/Word of Blake so much as well as stuff even I did not know. Like... Did you know that the Belters in the Solar System apparently figured out immortality? On top of their unbelievable levels of genetech & healing.

The drive which had all the stuff on got corrupted and I only have a little of it left... therefore I do not even know which set of books I should be searching, therefore I am searching through everything. But it will take me longer than I thought but I thought it was funny people were talking about Edo and I had just run across this again about an hour ago. Pulling from even Battletechnology in my uber nerdness...

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 27 January 2017 - 05:09 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2017 - 05:20 PM

View PostI_AM_ZUUL, on 27 January 2017 - 05:03 PM, said:

but people talking about the nuclear bombardment of Turtle Bay on Edo seem to have missed the point... it was not an Attack. It was done intentionally on civilians and was viewed as doing the right thing because those civilians were clearly INSANE from the viewpoint of the Smoke Jaguars point of view. Read what Khan Kincaid has to say about it as well as a Comstar breakdown of it...



It wasn't nuclear. It was naval grade autocannons and lasers.

"[Galaxy Commander] Perez ordered his Galaxy's WarShip, the Sabre Cat, into low orbit around Turtle Bay. When it hung over the city of Edo, Perez fired the huge vessel's laser and autocannon batteries again and again until nothing remained of the once-proud city save piles of smoking debris."
Invading Clans: A Battletech Sourcebook

Edited by Throat Punch, 27 January 2017 - 05:24 PM.






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