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[Bombast]

Yeonne Greene, on 31 January 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

I find the lack of traction for this thread...unsettling.

Maybe it's true that IS pilots just want nostalgic trash.

[Karl Streiger]

Gas Guzzler, on 01 February 2017 - 04:17 AM, said:

I don't think I ever said quad AC10s would be fast, just that you could.do it. Quad AC10s wouldnt be fast on any IS mech.

We should forget that either the LFE might happen, or the minuscule change of the number of engine hits turn from 3 to 4.
Were as the Mauler might keep its stock speed with 4 LB10X- the Cerb might be much faster even with 48 instead of 44tons of weapons - but it has the option to mount either LFE or 4hits XL - of course you need to sacrifice speed - but hands down - beyond 350 engine weight becomes absurd - one of the things that were not considered correctly when turning TT mechanics into FPS mechanics.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Moonlight Grimoire, on 31 January 2017 - 11:58 PM, said:

Heavy? Champion, if has to be new, Avatar or Onslaught.

The Champion isn't competitive because it is yet another squishy 60 tonner.

Myke Pantera, on 01 February 2017 - 12:03 AM, said:

There are other good light options still out there, like the Spector

35 ton size and nothing really impressive the Firestarter or Wolfhound can't do already outside of ECM (which again, is a bit overrated).

Myke Pantera, on 01 February 2017 - 12:03 AM, said:

Hitman, simply because it looks so awesome (and a combination of MASC/ECM and 4+ Energy HP is also not bad).

ECM/MASC are overrated for lights. Not that we would get it since it breaks the speed at which would allow it in game.

Myke Pantera, on 01 February 2017 - 12:03 AM, said:

How about the Red Shift instead of Stinger? I still want the Wasp though...

Locust is better than all 3 of those 20 ton options.

Myke Pantera, on 01 February 2017 - 12:03 AM, said:

The Anubis looks pretty awesome as well.

Doesn't do anything the Javelin can't do better.

Myke Pantera, on 01 February 2017 - 12:03 AM, said:

How about the Gurkha? Anyone else who would like to do melee in MW:O?

35 tonners suffer from being too large, and this would too. It also doesn't do anything special other than has too many weapons in a single arm.

Myke Pantera, on 01 February 2017 - 12:03 AM, said:

Lancelot could be a good addition as well. Speed in abundance and high mounts. Rifleman/Jäger on steroids

Except the Lancelot is yet another energy boat at a tonnage full of them already, that won't fix what the IS is lacking (which is basically a CTF-3D with all good mounts and not terrible hitboxes).

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 01 February 2017 - 07:48 AM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 01 February 2017 - 07:42 AM, said:

The Champion isn't competitive because it is yet another squishy 60 tonner.

It'll also look like trash in the MWO unified aestetic. Say no to the Goof Boat in MWO.

[FLG 01]

TheArisen, on 31 January 2017 - 10:57 PM, said:

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[Gas Guzzler]

+1 for a 75 ton CTF-3D with good mounts and not terrible hitboxes

Karl Streiger, on 01 February 2017 - 06:40 AM, said:

We should forget that either the LFE might happen, or the minuscule change of the number of engine hits turn from 3 to 4.
Were as the Mauler might keep its stock speed with 4 LB10X- the Cerb might be much faster even with 48 instead of 44tons of weapons - but it has the option to mount either LFE or 4hits XL - of course you need to sacrifice speed - but hands down - beyond 350 engine weight becomes absurd - one of the things that were not considered correctly when turning TT mechanics into FPS mechanics.

It will be tough to squeeze in the ammo for the 4AC10s as it is, that build will require XL. LFEs do help the Mauler and Sleipnir quad UAC5 builds though.

[Hydrocarbon]

One big sore spot in the IS lineup is a decent brawler in the 70-75t range, arguably fixable with LFE. Next weight that needs love is the 30t slot, 50t after, and certainly last is the 55t slot. The Raijin looks interesting since it would work in Souting, ECM and high mounts would certainly be helpful.

[TheArisen]

FLG 01, on 01 February 2017 - 07:59 AM, said:

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Hydrocarbon, on 01 February 2017 - 08:59 AM, said:

Next weight that needs love is the 30t slot,

That's what the Javelin is for.

[TheArisen]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 01 February 2017 - 09:03 AM, said:

That's what the Javelin is for.

Which is why personally I favor the Nexus to provide a strong 25 tonner but of course performance is more important here.

Edited by TheArisen, 01 February 2017 - 10:00 AM.

[Tordin]

Fafnir and Thunder Hawk for me when it comes to assaults. Those would kick some major metal behinds! All that dakka too..

Edited by Tordin, 01 February 2017 - 09:13 AM.

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Hydrocarbon, on 01 February 2017 - 08:59 AM, said:

One big sore spot in the IS lineup is a decent brawler in the 70-75t range, arguably fixable with LFE.

Uh... The Orion is a decent brawler, and then the Black Knight is arguably a bit better. And the Grasshopper. And then there's the Marauder, which seems pretty spiffy. And the Warhammer. 70-75 isn't terrible at the moment.

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Next weight that needs love is the 30t slot,

The Javelin is coming. I think 30 tonners are good for the moment.

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50t after,

Crab? And a crap ton of others.

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and certainly last is the 55t slot

Griffin, and another crap ton, including the just released Bushwacker.

No offense, but besides the 30 ton slot, you basically just listed some of the most densely packed tonnages the IS currently has.

What the IS really needs most is a main line Assault mech that isn't a strobe light.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bombast, on 01 February 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

Uh... The Orion is a decent brawler, and then the Black Knight is arguably a bit better. And the Grasshopper. And then there's the Marauder, which seems pretty spiffy. And the Warhammer. 70-75 isn't terrible at the moment.

Problem is all of those fail in comparison to Clan options. Really the best brawler the IS could hope for is one that carries an AC20 in the arm with missiles in the torso so it can run an XL or just something that has a higher engine cap than most IS heavies and can mount at least 4 ASRM6s in the torsos with either a bunch of energy mounts on top or a ballistic mount.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 01 February 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

Problem is all of those fail in comparison to Clan options. Really the best brawler the IS could hope for is one that carries an AC20 in the arm with missiles in the torso so it can run an XL or just something that has a higher engine cap than most IS heavies and can mount at least 4 ASRM6s in the torsos with either a bunch of energy mounts on top or a ballistic mount.

Well, yah, the Clans have an advantage is that weight bracket. But in what weight bracket don't they? Maybe the 65 ton range, and the 20 ton range (I still feel bad that the Clanners didn't get their 20 tonner last month).

Just saying that, as far as specific tonnages go, those aren't the ones that are suffering worst, in my opinion. The Marauder and Warhammer, at least, can hold their own, even if they're not straight up better. On the other hand, there's only a handful of assault mechs that can hold their own against their Clan brethren, and only a couple of variants therein.

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Bombast, on 01 February 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

The Marauder and Warhammer, at least, can hold their own, even if they're not straight up better.

For brawling, no, the Onion is actually the best option for a brawler in the 70-75 ton range.

[Y E O N N E]

Tonnage is only a factor insomuch as it makes the 'Mech better. This list is not intended to flesh out sparsely populated weights, it is intended to pysh the IS power level up as a whole.

[TheArisen]

Yeonne Greene, on 01 February 2017 - 09:30 AM, said:

Tonnage is only a factor insomuch as it makes the 'Mech better. This list is not intended to flesh out sparsely populated weights, it is intended to pysh the IS power level up as a whole.

Exactly.

Being on the lower end of a weight class is generally a bad thing. The Jinggau barely made it and tbh it's not the best heavy option.

[TheArisen]

If I had to pick one of each,
Light Nexus, it'd be a great poker/sniper. Kind of like a Locust but with JJ and it also can function as a regular light boating spls, etc.
#2 pick: Osiris

Medium: Lynx, it'd be a better Sparky that's available for cbills. Great mounts and plentiful HP's.
#2 pick: Starslayer, a heavy ppc & erppc with JJ would be an excellent sniper/support mech.

Heavy: Dragonfire, great HP's, great mounts, potentially good at DMG spreading + ECM
#2 pick: Jinggau, all cockpit height mounts, excellent speed, JJ and I'd like to play with it's ecm+masc variant

Assault: Nightstar, cockpit height mounts, fair to excellent speed, JJ, great HP's
#2 pick: I'd be super happy with any of the others so all of them.

[TheArisen]

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[Karl Streiger]

TheArisen, on 01 February 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

Exactly.

Being on the lower end of a weight class is generally a bad thing. The Jinggau barely made it and tbh it's not the best heavy option.

It might be an less ranged and less stable version of the ebon jaguar but at least as battlemech with the option to have jumpjets
might not be that bad.

However running the poll - light and medium was simple - but heavy - did choose the Thunder....because of AC20 (clearly not the best gun in game but the velocity feels good - other stuff is to fast) but wouldn't be the Koschei be the better alternative?

Edited by Karl Streiger, 01 February 2017 - 11:50 PM.