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[Tech_Priest]

hi, i started mwo in jan. im playing only quickplay, checked my steam stats and it says i got 84 hour gametime. i manage to get out t5 and im in first quarter of t4. and few days ago i ve matched with well known youtuber which is t1. i dont think its fair. most of matches get one sided too often either my team wrecks so hard or enemy team does that. I readed old posts and it was sayin you can matched with 2 tier above or 2 tier below players. which is not true. i dont want to be matched with t1 players who plays this game for years as a starter. it ruins everyones experience i belive. I cant enjoy even when im wining when there is so much skill gap between teams.

[Koniving]

TechPriest517, on 01 February 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

hi, i started mwo in jan. im playing only quickplay, checked my steam stats and it says i got 84 hour gametime. i manage to get out t5 and im in first quarter of t4. and few days ago i ve matched with well known youtuber which is t1. i dont think its fair. most of matches get one sided too often either my team wrecks so hard or enemy team does that. I readed old posts and it was sayin you can matched with 2 tier above or 2 tier below players. which is not true. i dont want to be matched with t1 players who plays this game for years as a starter. it ruins everyones experience i belive. I cant enjoy even when im wining when there is so much skill gap between teams.

There's only two situations in which you would get put up against or teamed with someone that is more than two tiers above you.

1) Population at the time is at an all time low... i.e. when most people are asleep on the US servers; only the night owls might be on as most are on the European and Oceanic servers.
2) You were grouped up with literally anyone... Far as I'm aware there really isn't much match making going on in the group queue and even if there is, you will still see tier 1 and tier 5 players in the same match, hopefully with 'rivals' on the opposing team to help balance it out.

[Tech_Priest]

its not because of your first argument,Before the game starts,i check everyones ping and which server im currently in and yes im talking about prime times. at least for eu.

i dont get that rival mentality, ppl dont do duels with eachother in fair way untill they meet higher tier. its not 1 by 1 tournement elimination mode.
Really whats the point putting tier 1 and tier5 in same match? most of tier1 dudes got lot of mechs tried lot of builds they know maps, weakness of builds how to cordinate properly etc.etc.

if tier 5 and tier 1 dude could matched together its meaningless to have tier system, because we are not matched with players who got similar skill/experience. it might not be very important for higher tier players but as a starter getting randomly huge power spikes in teams is not fun

[Koniving]

By rival...

What I mean is in group play if... (Using 4 players to simplify)..
You have 2 tier 4s, a tier 3 and a tier 1.
The other side might have 2 tier 4s, a tier 3 and a tier 1.
Or they might have a tier 2, 2 tier 3s and a tier 4.
They might have two tier 1s and two tier 5s.

Whatever the case it will try its best to match them with semi-equivalent rivals.

In normal play you can be matched in a similar system with ideally no greater than one tier difference up and down between each.
If it takes too long to find them, in the words of Russ Bullock.... The valves release slowly and it expands.

[PFC Carsten]

Koniving, on 01 February 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

There's only two situations in which you would get put up against or teamed with someone that is more than two tiers above you.

Yeah,

1. You're playing MWO at all in 2017
2. You're playing MWO in Group Queue
3. You're playing MWO in Faction Play

And since nothing's true without a source:
https://mwomercs.com...ng-q-and-tiers/

Edited by PFC Carsten, 02 February 2017 - 03:39 PM.

[Tarl Cabot]

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hi, i started mwo in jan. im playing only quickplay,

Just for clarification for Quick Play, are you dropping in the solo queue (by yourself then matched up) or are you teamed up with some, thus dropping into non-FP group queue?

Group queue - no real PSR cause as it takes the average of the each group subset. You and a friend are grouped up, you are T4 and he is T3 approx T3.5 or T3. Another group, T5 + T3 + T1 = approx T3


Now, in the solo queue, that can happen if the MM opens up after 4.5minutes. Also remember that it is not just Tier but weight class. If you are taking, say a heavy, the most popular weight class, and the population is low at the time of day you are dropping, you could have a T1.

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We do currently have it set that Tier 1 players and Tier 4 players can get matched together, however we've just recently reduced it (due to reports), so that it now takes 4.5 minutes before that will happen.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

It is a population issue, and really always has been. Even before the PSR system was put into place.

Just last night I did a few solo pug drops. I spotted 2 pilots that I knew for a fact had only been playing for a couple of months and were no greater than Tier4 at best. I knew this because I recognized their names from this subforum. Yet, I also recognized more than a few long time vets.

::shrug:: that is just the way the lobby gods work out when there are only a couple hundred people online.

[Tarl Cabot]

And that 4.5 minute when the gates are opened up, that is 4.5 minutes from the initial seeded player timer, not when you hit Quick Play, unless you are the seeded player.

[justcallme A S H]

Koniving, on 01 February 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

There's only two situations in which you would get put up against or teamed with someone that is more than two tiers above you.

1) Population at the time is at an all time low... i.e. when most people are asleep on the US servers; only the night owls might be on as most are on the European and Oceanic servers.

Most matches in Oceanic are still played on US servers. Rare to see Oceanic come up regularly... Not idea why.

If you want a good player base - just tick all 3 boxes. 250ms ping doesn't hinder me at all, not most I talk too and from anywhere, that's the ping to all 3 or there about

[Roadbuster]

Koniving, on 01 February 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

2) You were grouped up with literally anyone... Far as I'm aware there really isn't much match making going on in the group queue and even if there is, you will still see tier 1 and tier 5 players in the same match, hopefully with 'rivals' on the opposing team to help balance it out.

I can confirm this. Solo queue matches seem to be better balanced, while group queue just throws balance out of the window.

Just to give a recent example: I'm currently on a losing streak with 1 match won and 16 losses. (playing in a small group of 2-4)
A few matches were close, but most of the time they ended something like 1-6/12. My team consisted of either inexperienced or new players and lots of green mechs, while the other team always had either some known, skilled players, or teams from 228, BMMU,...
Now, one could think, yes sometimes you have bad luck and alot of skilled players on the opposing team, but you will also drop with them. Nope, didn't happen. Instead we kept dropping against these players/teams and if we had some good players on our team, the opposing team had even more, lol.

MM doesn't seem to balance teams and put equally skilled players on both sides.

Edited by Roadbuster, 03 February 2017 - 12:17 AM.

[Koniving]

Another thing to note is that group queue will always have groups of varying sizes and communication levels. Communication is a powerful thing as is coordination.

Also, if one side has a 12 player group and the other side has 4 groups of 3... the 4 groups of 3 will be at the disadvantage of communications but they will have the advantage in tonnage as your permitted tonnage and overall team's possible tonnage will change depending on how many are in your group(s).

[Koniving]

justcallme A S H, on 02 February 2017 - 07:03 PM, said:

Most matches in Oceanic are still played on US servers. Rare to see Oceanic come up regularly... Not idea why.

If you want a good player base - just tick all 3 boxes. 250ms ping doesn't hinder me at all, not most I talk too and from anywhere, that's the ping to all 3 or there about

Some people have issues with the game's reaction time, such as letting go of the W button with throttle decay will cause them to have to wait 2 to 3 seconds before the mech actually slows down. Zoom takes 2 to 3 seconds to work. Etc.

This is partly an issue with connection speed as well as location vs location to the server for them, even though it could happen at pings of less than 200.... if in a country where their internet use is being monitored by their government.

[Koniving]

PFC Carsten, on 02 February 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

Yeah,

1. You're playing MWO at all in 2017
2. You're playing MWO in Group Queue
3. You're playing MWO in Faction Play

And since nothing's true without a source:
https://mwomercs.com...ng-q-and-tiers/

Koniving, on 02 February 2017 - 12:13 PM, said:

In normal play you can be matched in a similar system with ideally no greater than one tier difference up and down between each.
If it takes too long to find them, in the words of Russ Bullock.... The valves release slowly and it expands.

Covered, also....
They've been doing that since 2015.
It used to take only 3 minutes.

In fact, it was covered in my original post as the situation "Server population is too low."

Edit: While I meant group play to include "FW", you are correct in that it is the third situation.
Sources are always welcomed additions.

Edited by Koniving, 03 February 2017 - 07:48 AM.

[justcallme A S H]

Koniving, on 03 February 2017 - 07:05 AM, said:

Some people have issues with the game's reaction time, such as letting go of the W button with throttle decay will cause them to have to wait 2 to 3 seconds before the mech actually slows down. Zoom takes 2 to 3 seconds to work. Etc.

This is partly an issue with connection speed as well as location vs location to the server for them, even though it could happen at pings of less than 200.... if in a country where their internet use is being monitored by their government.

I've had no issues with ADV Zoom since it was changed a few months back as to where it was controlled.
Beforehand, 100% agree with you - It was a 1-2 sec delay quite often.

Now though it's pretty decent most of the time. Odd hiccup but nothing like it was.

[Void Angel]

There appears to be a bug allowing Tier 1 and Tier 5 to be matched under some circumstance - but it's not intended functionality. Take screenshots and gather supporting information and send it to support.

[Tarl Cabot]

Void Angel, on 03 February 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

There appears to be a bug allowing Tier 1 and Tier 5 to be matched under some circumstance - but it's not intended functionality. Take screenshots and gather supporting information and send it to support.

Should word it "to allow T1 and T5 in the same match". Tina and company never replied back whether or not if it was overall, or if the seeded player was a T3, then could T1 and T5 be in the same match. If they are only looking at the Tier of the seeded player such as T1 or T5... ..

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 03 February 2017 - 05:40 PM.

[Koniving]

Void Angel, on 03 February 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

There appears to be a bug allowing Tier 1 and Tier 5 to be matched under some circumstance - but it's not intended functionality. Take screenshots and gather supporting information and send it to support.

Peer at link in the response that quotes me.

[Void Angel]

I'm aware of the link, and my statement stands. "Peer" around the forums and find the screen shots posted by players as evidence.

[Koniving]

Void Angel, on 03 February 2017 - 10:12 PM, said:

I'm aware of the link, and my statement stands. "Peer" around the forums and find the screen shots posted by players as evidence.

My point is.... it basically says it isn't a bug; just a fact that happens if it takes over 4 minutes to put together a match.

[PFC Carsten]

Void Angel, on 03 February 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

There appears to be a bug allowing Tier 1 and Tier 5 to be matched under some circumstance - but it's not intended functionality. Take screenshots and gather supporting information and send it to support.

Sorry, not gonna do QA's job when PGI opts to cheap out on that.

Koniving, on 03 February 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

Covered, also....
They've been doing that since 2015.
It used to take only 3 minutes.

In fact, it was covered in my original post as the situation "Server population is too low."

Edit: While I meant group play to include "FW", you are correct in that it is the third situation.
Sources are always welcomed additions.

Do not veil it with "in normal play". The 2017 normality has become what I've described - hence the OP in the first place.

Edited by PFC Carsten, 04 February 2017 - 02:58 AM.