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[Bombast]

FLG 01, on 02 February 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

For the sake of complete clarity, the left arm of the TLR1-OH features missiles, those of the Hero Mechs of Sandoval and Grayson feature ballistics.

You are correct. Though I think for the sake of asking 'Which one do you prefer for entry,' potential heroes and pay walls should be ignored.

But I guess that's my own thing.

[CK16]

Bombast, on 02 February 2017 - 01:34 PM, said:

You are correct. Though I think for the sake of asking 'Which one do you prefer for entry,' potential heroes and pay walls should be ignored.

But I guess that's my own thing.

The only paywall is hero, reinforcements never course imo cause at some point they will be for free cbills ect.

[Metus regem]

heh just noticed that the Templar A, C, F and H all pack JJ's....

Edit:

With the A CT also packing ECM too

Edited by Metus regem, 02 February 2017 - 01:51 PM.

[El Bandito]

I prefer Gunslinger to both of them, but that's just me.

[Vellron2005]

For me, the Templar is one of my favorite mechs. Its very good looking, and it looks alot better than the blocky sunder.

So for me, Templar hands down..

[Cabusha]

The Templar is as wide as the Victor. A mech with horrible convergence issues and hitboxes.

I vote Sunder, cause while it's still a box, it's more compact.

[Gas Guzzler]

I love thr Sunder, but neither if these are the assault that the IS needs right now.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 03 February 2017 - 08:28 AM, said:

I love thr Sunder, but neither if these are the assault that the IS needs right now.

Of that I agree Gas, the Gunslinger, Nightstar or Thunderhawk I could see the IS really using effectively right now.

That being said, I personally prefer the Templar over the Sunder, but that's more to do with pride of who's flag I fly.

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 03 February 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

Of that I agree Gas, the Gunslinger, Nightstar or Thunderhawk I could see the IS really using effectively right now.

That being said, I personally prefer the Templar over the Sunder, but that's more to do with pride of who's flag I fly.

Would have never guessed lol.

Yeah, I've recently been turned on to the Sagittaire (which is another Davion mech I think) which seems like it would be a top performer..

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 03 February 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

Would have never guessed lol.

Yeah, I've recently been turned on to the Sagittaire (which is another Davion mech I think) which seems like it would be a top performer..

If a little slow, the Sagittaire is a beastly thing in TT... Pulse lasers and a TC is a brutal, brutal combination. in CQB, where she shines, but outside of a city she is a little slow for my tastes.. I generally do not deploy mechs slower than 4/6 in TT.

Edited by Metus regem, 03 February 2017 - 09:42 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 03 February 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

If a little slow, the Sagittaire is a beastly thing in TT... Pulse lasers and a TC is a brutal, brutal combination. in CQB, where she shines, but outside of a city she is a little slow for tastes.. I generally do not deploy mechs slower than 4/6 in TT.

I have XL 325 and dual gauss dual ER PPC on the mind... it would go ~60 kph, which is fine

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 03 February 2017 - 09:41 AM, said:

I have XL 325 and dual gauss dual ER PPC on the mind... it would go ~60 kph, which is fine

Looking at her is SSW, changing the 9D to an Endo Steel frame and dropping the JJ's would let you get in there 15 DHS, 2 GR with 4t ammo and 2 PPC's... But you have to keep the the 285xl... if you keep the JJ's you can only have 12 DHS and run 1.5t under weight as you run out of crits, while retaining the 285XL..

At least the 9D would be Gauss safe, as the ballistic mounts are in the arms for it....

Edited by Metus regem, 03 February 2017 - 09:49 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 03 February 2017 - 09:49 AM, said:

Looking at her is SSW, changing the 9D to an Endo Steel frame and dropping the JJ's would let you get in there 15 DHS, 2 GR with 4t ammo and 2 PPC's... But you have to keep the the 285xl... if you keep the JJ's you can only have 12 DHS and run 1.5t under weight as you run out of crits, while retaining the 285XL..

At least the 9D would be Gauss safe, as the ballistic mounts are in the arms for it....

I theory crafted it, you add endo, drop armor in the legs, go up to XL 325, I think you have enough for 5tons of ammo, 14 DHS, and 1JJ. May consider dropping the JJ entirely because 1 hoverjet sucks, and recover some leg armor and add another DHS.

Edit: Just kidding, with a single JJ, you only have enough tonnage for 13 DHS.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...631ca9de60db82c

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 03 February 2017 - 09:54 AM.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 03 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

I theory crafted it, you add endo, drop armor in the legs, go up to XL 325, I think you have enough for 5tons of ammo, 14 DHS, and 1JJ. May consider dropping the JJ entirely because 1 hoverjet sucks, and recover some leg armor and add another DHS.

Her big problem is she runs out of crit space too fast with two GR's and 2 PPC's when combined with iDHS, iXL and iEndo... if she had clan versions it space would be less of an issue...

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 03 February 2017 - 09:55 AM, said:

Her big problem is she runs out of crit space too fast with two GR's and 2 PPC's when combined with iDHS, iXL and iEndo... if she had clan versions it space would be less of an issue...

Yeah, so you are limited to 13 DHS if you keep the JJ, 15 without the JJ if you want an XL 325. See smurfy link in previous post, and you get 3 bonus crits there because the Sagittaire has no LAA or HA, so there is just enough for 2 out of engine DHS assuming you don't take a JJ. You have enough slots for 4 DHS with the JJ, but at that point tonnage is the limiter.

For 2 IS ER PPCs, 13 DHS would be light but workable since you at least have nice cool dual gauss.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 03 February 2017 - 09:59 AM.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 03 February 2017 - 09:59 AM, said:

Yeah, so you are limited to 13 DHS if you keep the JJ, 15 without the JJ if you want an XL 325. See smurfy link in previous post, and you get 3 bonus crits there because the Sagittaire has no LAA or HA, so there is just enough for 2 out of engine DHS assuming you don't take a JJ. You have enough slots for 4 DHS with the JJ, but at that point tonnage is the limiter.

For 2 IS ER PPCs, 13 DHS would be light but workable since you at least have nice cool dual gauss.

For MWO, I'd be more inclined to use normal PPC rather than ER's, as they are both 10 damage, but with a sizable heat difference... Other than that, with Gauss/PPC's she shouldn't be brawling, so the 90m dead zone on the PPC's would be a non issue I think... Even inside of 90m you would still have dual GR's for some pain.

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 03 February 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

For MWO, I'd be more inclined to use normal PPC rather than ER's, as they are both 10 damage, but with a sizable heat difference... Other than that, with Gauss/PPC's she shouldn't be brawling, so the 90m dead zone on the PPC's would be a non issue I think... Even inside of 90m you would still have dual GR's for some pain.

Need the range to trade with KDK-3s and Night Gyrs though. For Pugging maybe I would do PPCs, but probably not. There is the better velocity on the ER PPCs to consider as well. There is also a chance you can use the skill tree to shave off some heat from that build as well, as it is an IS mech, even though it has ideal weapon placement, its still should have some skill points to use.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 03 February 2017 - 10:12 AM.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 03 February 2017 - 10:12 AM, said:

Need the range to trade with KDK-3s and Night Gyrs though. For Pugging maybe I would do PPCs, but probably not. There is the better velocity on the ER PPCs to consider as well. There is also a chance you can use the skill tree to shave off some heat from that build as well, as it is an IS mech, even though it has ideal weapon placement, its still should have some skill points to use.

I'm not sure the extra range difference between the ERPPC and PPC would be that large of a factor, but then again I don't do a lot of organized team play. I mean realistically right now 540 optimal isn't that far off from the 660 optimal of the Gauss. As for the speed 100m/s isn't worth the heat increase on the ERPPC's... From my experiane, most combat in MWO happens around 200-400m, with the exception of two maps, but even then it usually runs down to that range sooner or later.

[GoatHILL]

Locked XL in an IS assault D.O.A.

[Mole]

Unless something is done to remedy IS XL vulnerability or the construction rules for IS Omnis are changed to where they allow the installation of different engines almost all of the IS omnis are going to be DOA.