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[FupDup]

GoatHILL, on 03 February 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

Locked XL in an IS assault D.O.A.

Locked STD is worse than locked IS XL.

[Metus regem]

Mole, on 03 February 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:

Unless something is done to remedy IS XL vulnerability or the construction rules for IS Omnis are changed to where they allow the installation of different engines almost all of the IS omnis are going to be DOA.

None more so than the Strider and Owens....

Standard armour
Standard internals
Low XL engines
SHS....

All of that makes the Owens bad

Standard armour
Low XL
SHS

That makes the Strider bad....

[Mole]

Metus regem, on 03 February 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

None more so than the Strider and Owens....

Standard armour
Standard internals
Low XL engines
SHS....

All of that makes the Owens bad

Standard armour
Low XL
SHS

That makes the Strider bad....

It's a real shame too, because I have pretty heavy nostalgia for both of these 'mechs from MW3.

[FupDup]

Metus regem, on 03 February 2017 - 02:24 PM, said:

None more so than the Strider and Owens....

Standard armour
Standard internals
Low XL engines
SHS....

All of that makes the Owens bad

Standard armour
Low XL
SHS

That makes the Strider bad....

The Owens actually has a pretty decent sized engine (8/12 MP). That's about the only good part about it...

Also, the Strider has a STD engine, not an XL. That, and double hardwired CASE for some reason.

Edited by FupDup, 03 February 2017 - 02:26 PM.

[CK16]

You mean like how the Battlemaster and Banshee both are so XL death traps?....IS XL is not nearly as much a death sentence as you think...I have been playing IS builds lately that are "meta" and all have XL. 9 out of 10 times my death is after much of my mech is beat up and cored in multiple locations. Never once have I had this omg if only had into died from my XL I would have killed him! Cause usually by that time as I said I am so beat up his next shot would have taken any one of my torsos.... IS mechs csn be tanky ad hell if played right....my Timberwolfs torsos feel very soft now imo, plus it's just as much death not to lose a ST in a TBR cause lul can't even fire 2 ER meds now with out massive heat it seems.

[Metus regem]

FupDup, on 03 February 2017 - 02:26 PM, said:

The Owens actually has a pretty decent sized engine (8/12 MP). That's about the only good part about it...

Also, the Strider has a STD engine, not an XL. That, and double hardwired CASE for some reason.

Your right on the Strider engine, my bad.

CK16, on 03 February 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

You mean like how the Battlemaster and Banshee both are so XL death traps?....IS XL is not nearly as much a death sentence as you think...I have been playing IS builds lately that are "meta" and all have XL. 9 out of 10 times my death is after much of my mech is beat up and cored in multiple locations. Never once have I had this omg if only had into died from my XL I would have killed him! Cause usually by that time as I said I am so beat up his next shot would have taken any one of my torsos.... IS mechs csn be tanky ad hell if played right....my Timberwolfs torsos feel very soft now imo, plus it's just as much death not to lose a ST in a TBR cause lul can't even fire 2 ER meds now with out massive heat it seems.

I know how you feel CK, I went from Clan all the time, to some IS mechs, and I was able to use what I learned clan side to make them very effective as I could against Clan Mechs. Even now, unless I really need all 12 slots in the ST's I'll run XL engines.

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 03 February 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:

I'm not sure the extra range difference between the ERPPC and PPC would be that large of a factor, but then again I don't do a lot of organized team play. I mean realistically right now 540 optimal isn't that far off from the 660 optimal of the Gauss. As for the speed 100m/s isn't worth the heat increase on the ERPPC's... From my experiane, most combat in MWO happens around 200-400m, with the exception of two maps, but even then it usually runs down to that range sooner or later.

Yeah in the public queue I agree which is why I would consider switching to PPCs for that. My only reservation is that I would get accustomed to the lower heat, and then when trying to use it in comp play, I wouldn't have the heat management down as well as I would want to. The range is good for longer range trading in comp matches, which often happen beyond the 540m range by significant margin. With module Gauss is at 726 which gets closer to 810.

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Gas Guzzler, on 03 February 2017 - 02:49 PM, said:

Yeah in the public queue I agree which is why I would consider switching to PPCs for that. My only reservation is that I would get accustomed to the lower heat, and then when trying to use it in comp play, I wouldn't have the heat management down as well as I would want to. The range is good for longer range trading in comp matches, which often happen beyond the 540m range by significant margin. With module Gauss is at 726 which gets closer to 810.

Fair enough, as I said I don't do a lot of comp play any more, used to when I was in CGBI.

[Anjian]

I remember both these mechs back in those days. I liked the Sunder a bit more though, thanks to its weight advantage.

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Anjian, on 04 February 2017 - 04:36 AM, said:

I remember both these mechs back in those days. I liked the Sunder a bit more though, thanks to its weight advantage.

Funnily enough, the Templar has more weight to work with, 40t vs the 35t for the Sunder....

[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 04 February 2017 - 06:46 AM, said:

Funnily enough, the Templar has more weight to work with, 40t vs the 35t for the Sunder....

Yeah, the Sunder doesn't have endo. So it does have more slots at least. For that reason it actually does ask for an energy hardpoint left arm and some extra energy hardpoints throughout, so it can make use of the space with DHS. But... PGI isnt going to make made up variants anymore by popular demand, so there is not hope for that.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 04 February 2017 - 07:18 AM, said:

Yeah, the Sunder doesn't have endo. So it does have more slots at least. For that reason it actually does ask for an energy hardpoint left arm and some extra energy hardpoints throughout, so it can make use of the space with DHS. But... PGI isnt going to make made up variants anymore by popular demand, so there is not hope for that.

It's kind of how it works with IS Omnis, they either have tons of space and few hard points or lots of free weight and little space for equipment....

[The Lighthouse]

CK16, on 03 February 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

You mean like how the Battlemaster and Banshee both are so XL death traps?....IS XL is not nearly as much a death sentence as you think...I have been playing IS builds lately that are "meta" and all have XL. 9 out of 10 times my death is after much of my mech is beat up and cored in multiple locations. Never once have I had this omg if only had into died from my XL I would have killed him! Cause usually by that time as I said I am so beat up his next shot would have taken any one of my torsos.... IS mechs csn be tanky ad hell if played right....my Timberwolfs torsos feel very soft now imo, plus it's just as much death not to lose a ST in a TBR cause lul can't even fire 2 ER meds now with out massive heat it seems.

Well, that's your experience, my experience... I almost instinctively aim for side torsos when I encounter IS Assaults. Even if I do not downright kill the target, at least the target is crippled.

[Aiden Skye]

Templar and uziel are the only thing that will get me back in the cockpit of a filthy IS mech.