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[Vellron2005]

Hey yall'!

Thought I outta start this thread, so as to allow all of us to vent a little over our excruciatingly painful FW experiences.

Here's one I had the other night..

So I'm dropping FW solo, with PUGs.. We land on Sulphurus Rift - Invasion.. as the attacker..

I suggest that we go to gamma gate (the left gate of the three), most of the team agrees.. but the 4 guys that are in a group do not, even after it's called in VOIP, and they go to alpha gate (the right gate).

Suddenly, the rest of the team, halfway to gamma, turn around and follow the alpha gate group..

At this point, it's been like 5 minutes into the game..

So then, we all reach the gate, after some of the enemies write in chat things like "are you guys all driving atlases, what up?".. My team decides to shoot the gate (not the generator). After I open the gate for them, I turn around and see that my team is suddenly spread from alpha gate all the way almost back to gamma gate, chasing a wild arctic cheeta... and as the alpha gate is oppening, the whole, focused, premade enemy team surges forth and stomps me, and proceeds killing one by one of my "teammates" (or idiots, but I digress), and stomps us into the ground..

At this point, I am so aggravated I simply decide to save what little nerves I have, and disconnect by "exit to desktop" - fully knowing that I will get a penalty, and not giving two farts about that..

What pushed me over the edge was that after I voiped and wrote in chat remarks, tried to call targets, and were like "where the hell are you guys, please don't chase the squirrel".. one of my own teammates wrote in chat "nah, mate, I'm to drunk to play".. SO WHY ARE YOU PLAYING?!

I know it was just a jest to piss me off.. but hey, it worked like a charm.. it pissed me off so bad it's not even funny..

Also note that this was the LAST FW match for me for some time, since I had to move, and won't have internet at home for some time..

Positively THE WORST FW experience since I've started playing this game in Closed Beta..

Edited by Vellron2005, 06 February 2017 - 04:03 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

You do need to understand one thing... It's a game.

There seems to be this mental condition people fall into where they imagine they actually have skin in the game and its life or death for them. That's how a tryhard is born. Soon after you see anyone who doesn't think like you as a potato.

The truth is the tryhards are the potatos stuck in some alternate reality where this stuff actually matters. It doesn't its a game.

No one cares about your tier but other tryhards. No one cares about the leaderboards but other tryhards. Were having fun instead.

[LordNothing]

i think out of the last 8 of my games 6 were victories and the other two were close losses. even then pugging can be hit or miss. i know i have had total stomps happen almost regularly and the kind of antics the op describes. when those games happen i tend to just say screw it and go for what points i can win before i run out of mechs. potatoes happen.

you can kind of look at the war log to see whats going on, it gives you a good picture of the composition and fairness of the teams currently dropping. if the battle progress its hard over one way or the other you know there is a major offensive on and a good chance you will drop with or against teams, and if the other side is winning more than two thirds of the games of its probibly best to avoid playing all together. but generally i think my fp win/loss ratio is better than its ever been.

[Bud Crue]

Mudhutwarrior, on 06 February 2017 - 04:13 AM, said:

You do need to understand one thing... It's a game.

There seems to be this mental condition people fall into where they imagine they actually have skin in the game and its life or death for them. That's how a tryhard is born. Soon after you see anyone who doesn't think like you as a potato.

The truth is the tryhards are the potatos stuck in some alternate reality where this stuff actually matters. It doesn't its a game.

No one cares about your tier but other tryhards. No one cares about the leaderboards but other tryhards. Were having fun instead.

Tryhard or potato is irrelevant. A sense of having "skin in the game" is irrelevant. etc.

It is a game, yes. It is a leisure activity designed for fun, certainty. It is also a group activity with certain expectations of communal endeavor and social norms that require a participant of the game to behave in certain way: namely to try and win the game with a combination of teamwork and personal skill, while ideally doing so with a bit of personal decorum and responsibility for one's actions.

When folks fail to observe these norms, fail to respect the goals of the game or those of their team, those folks are not paying the game. Rather they are simply ruining the game for others. These people are not potatoes or tryhards, but simply jerks.

I am a potato, I try as hard as I can and sometimes my team wins, and often we lose. But we try TO PLAY THE GAME. I will never understand the video game entitlement mentality of "I have the right to ignore the rules, goals and expectations of the game, and play the game as I see fit". Nowhere else do you see this, but in online video games. You don't play Monopoly and insist that you and only you move your piece counter-clockwise. You don't play hockey and insist that you and only you are not subject to icing. But in a video game...in this video game in particular...there are those who believe they have the right to ignore the team, ignore the goals and even ignore the rules; and those of us who don't respect this bit of snowflake individuality are accused of suffering from a "mental condition".

Good lord. If you don't want to play the game, then don't play. But stop with the pretense that those of us who do -tryhard and potato alike- are somehow the problem.

Edited by Bud Crue, 06 February 2017 - 04:55 AM.

[Vellron2005]

Mudhutwarrior, on 06 February 2017 - 04:13 AM, said:

You do need to understand one thing... It's a game.

There seems to be this mental condition people fall into where they imagine they actually have skin in the game and its life or death for them. That's how a tryhard is born. Soon after you see anyone who doesn't think like you as a potato.

The truth is the tryhards are the potatos stuck in some alternate reality where this stuff actually matters. It doesn't its a game.

No one cares about your tier but other tryhards. No one cares about the leaderboards but other tryhards. Were having fun instead.

I get what you're saying, its just a game..

But hey, if the metaphorical "you and me" are gonna play a game, then PLAY THE GAME.. don't drink, sing along to lady gaga, feed the dog, or **** your GF (ok, I can understand that, but still).. if "we" are playing, then play the game.. don't ruin the game for me by being a jerk.. its just good manners not to ruin everyone else's game because you're not really committed to playing..

It's like we are playing chess while you're simultaneously texting.. its RUDE.

If I can respect you and your gaming time, then I want you to respect mine.

Is it really too much to ask?

EDIT:

Bad Crue - Thaaaaank you! Somebody who understands!

Edited by Vellron2005, 06 February 2017 - 05:02 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Vellron2005, on 06 February 2017 - 04:57 AM, said:

I get what you're saying, its just a game..

But hey, if the metaphorical "you and me" are gonna play a game, then PLAY THE GAME.. don't drink, sing along to lady gaga, feed the dog, or **** your GF (ok, I can understand that, but still).. if "we" are playing, then play the game.. don't ruin the game for me by being a jerk.. its just good manners not to ruin everyone else's game because you're not really committed to playing..

It's like we are playing chess while you're simultaneously texting.. its RUDE.

If I can respect you and your gaming time, then I want you to respect mine.

Is it really too much to ask?

EDIT:

Bad Crue - Thaaaaank you! Somebody who understands!

It is too much to ask. Everybody is different and has different expectations. If you want to play like you do you need to join a team that shares your goals. Plenty of space here to do that.
Dropping pug is dropping into times square. You get straights and freaks and no choice in the matter.

That's the point of it.

If a guy wants to play half in the bag thats fine with me. If he wants to go off on his own or change his mind who to follow or support thats fine too. If he wants to drive a poorly configured mech have at it.

I never see you guys raise any issue with exploits or outright cheating. That's ok if they are team players. Like hooking up on TS and dropping QP. That's ok if it's a team doing it. Its all fun then.

Join a team if things like this bother you but when you pug you take what you get. Frankly I like that idea. It's way more real and a challenge making the best out of herding cat's.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Bud Crue, on 06 February 2017 - 04:54 AM, said:

Tryhard or potato is irrelevant. A sense of having "skin in the game" is irrelevant. etc.

It is a game, yes. It is a leisure activity designed for fun, certainty. It is also a group activity with certain expectations of communal endeavor and social norms that require a participant of the game to behave in certain way: namely to try and win the game with a combination of teamwork and personal skill, while ideally doing so with a bit of personal decorum and responsibility for one's actions.

When folks fail to observe these norms, fail to respect the goals of the game or those of their team, those folks are not paying the game. Rather they are simply ruining the game for others. These people are not potatoes or tryhards, but simply jerks.

I am a potato, I try as hard as I can and sometimes my team wins, and often we lose. But we try TO PLAY THE GAME. I will never understand the video game entitlement mentality of "I have the right to ignore the rules, goals and expectations of the game, and play the game as I see fit". Nowhere else do you see this, but in online video games. You don't play Monopoly and insist that you and only you move your piece counter-clockwise. You don't play hockey and insist that you and only you are not subject to icing. But in a video game...in this video game in particular...there are those who believe they have the right to ignore the team, ignore the goals and even ignore the rules; and those of us who don't respect this bit of snowflake individuality are accused of suffering from a "mental condition".

Good lord. If you don't want to play the game, then don't play. But stop with the pretense that those of us who do -tryhard and potato alike- are somehow the problem.

You are the problem. You refuse to accept that people are different and see things different from you. As I explained above you really don't want to rigidly enforce the rules. You make exceptions. Your premise is flawed on that one point alone.

[Vellron2005]

Mudhutwarrior, on 06 February 2017 - 05:11 AM, said:

It is too much to ask. Everybody is different and has different expectations. If you want to play like you do you need to join a team that shares your goals. Plenty of space here to do that.
Dropping pug is dropping into times square. You get straights and freaks and no choice in the matter.

That's the point of it.

If a guy wants to play half in the bag thats fine with me. If he wants to go off on his own or change his mind who to follow or support thats fine too. If he wants to drive a poorly configured mech have at it.

I never see you guys raise any issue with exploits or outright cheating. That's ok if they are team players. Like hooking up on TS and dropping QP. That's ok if it's a team doing it. Its all fun then.

Join a team if things like this bother you but when you pug you take what you get. Frankly I like that idea. It's way more real and a challenge making the best out of herding cat's.

I'm not saying that I expect PUGs to play with half a brain.. but I do expect them to PLAY.

If you are purposefully in a match with 11 other people and do not intend to play the game, than you should not be in that match. Simple as that.

Pug or premade, does not matter.. if you are in the game, then you should contribute to your team.. otherwise, you are dead-weight, and we have a report & penalty system for that - for a reason!

[Mudhutwarrior]

Vellron2005, on 06 February 2017 - 05:16 AM, said:

I'm not saying that I expect PUGs to play with half a brain.. but I do expect them to PLAY.

If you are purposefully in a match with 11 other people and do not intend to play the game, than you should not be in that match. Simple as that.

Pug or premade, does not matter.. if you are in the game, then you should contribute to your team.. otherwise, you are dead-weight, and we have a report & penalty system for that - for a reason!

Well then report them. You will be busy doing it. I prefer the madness because sometimes in that madness you find real genius and that's a blast. The world is a madhouse so you can either isolate yourselves with like minds or plunge headlong into it. So try a team or single player game because every online game I have ever played suffers the same condition.

[Sjorpha]

Vellron2005, on 06 February 2017 - 05:16 AM, said:

I'm not saying that I expect PUGs to play with half a brain.. but I do expect them to PLAY.

Exactly! The worst thing is when people dissconnect just because they are losing bad...oh wait...

[Mudhutwarrior]

El Bandito, on 06 February 2017 - 05:36 AM, said:

Ignore Mudhut. He doesn't even play the game. He sure likes to preach about his way of playing though. Kinda like Mystere, except worse.

Go back 3 or 4 four years on the forum. Same threads all the time. Has anything changed? Did pugs suddenly take your advice?

Yeah, My way of playing... Playing with squareheads.

[Sjorpha]

Vellron2005, on 06 February 2017 - 04:57 AM, said:

...don't drink...

Lol, I bet half the MWO population, tryhards and potatoes alike, play mostly in various combinations of drunk, stoned and sleep deprived.

No names, but some of the best performing players I've been grouped up with have sometimes been too wasted to string a sentence together, and still pulls crazy numbers each game.

Not that I would ever do such a thing myself

Edited by Sjorpha, 06 February 2017 - 05:57 AM.

[razenWing]

See, there is a common theme developing for FW.

"Potatoes shooting at door"

Honestly, it's bad video game design if you can't instinctively figured out what to shoot. I remember it took me about two to three weeks to figure out to shoot the door control and the tiny hole through the generator. (o and the final canon of course)

Because they are not target-able, they are not immediately obvious, and that's honestly something that PGI needs to take into.

Yes, I understand a lot of people with FW experience probably know all these by now, but we have to assume that a healthy game is supported by more new players than veterans. While it's frustrating for you to deal with potatoes, it's probably equally frustrating for potatoes to not know what to do.

And I honestly blame that on poor game design. Like PGI either needs to add a clever "tutorial"-esque level to help new players or re-work the entire generator/door mechanics. So if PGI you do monitor your forums, rather than watching some of us b7tch about these issues and tear into our fellow players, why don't you get off your lazy @sses and try to fix these issues?

[Vellron2005]

El Bandito, on 06 February 2017 - 05:36 AM, said:

Ignore Mudhut. He doesn't even play the game. He sure likes to preach about his way of playing though. Kinda like Mystere, except worse.

Gotcha, thanks ;-)

Mudhut = ignore mode on ;-)

Aaaaanyways...

Sjorpha, on 06 February 2017 - 05:26 AM, said:

Exactly! The worst thing is when people disconnect just because they are losing bad...oh wait...

I admit it.. I disconnected.. but not ONLY cose' we were loosing bad.. but because, in that moment, if I had continued to play, I would have had a heart attack from all the aggravation, and it was my LAST NIGHT in the old apartment, and I was not about to waste it being pissed at some jerks and ruining my and my GF's last night there.

So if that's anybody's problem, feel free to report my ***..

I do actually feel bad about all the people that were like me, trying to play.. but they were in the huge minority it seems..

Sometimes, it's simply better to cut your losses and call it a night..

As for all those who think that "playing" is limiting their special snowflakiness.. Please.. don't play MWO..

If you're different, does not mean you're useful.. and in a team-oriented game like MWO, we, the 11 of us that are "normal", need you to be useful..

Edited by Vellron2005, 06 February 2017 - 06:01 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Vellron2005, on 06 February 2017 - 05:55 AM, said:

Gotcha, thanks ;-)

Mudhut = ignore mode on ;-)

Aaaaanyways...

Good, It always feels safer in a bubble. Same bubble tryhards been trying to maintain since the games Inception. I love this. There is always room for this.

[xTrident]

Bud Crue, on 06 February 2017 - 04:54 AM, said:

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But Bud... You're talking about people/players having integrity in a video game. I've long been an advocate of having integrity in video games. I used to think - why do these people play the game like jerks? - thinking they wouldn't behave this way IRL. Now I think - They probably DO behave this same way IRL, at least to some extent, as they do in game.

Yeah, I get that it's a video game, but everyone also needs to understand that while it's a video game you're also interacting with other real people. I don't understand the need people have to be complete jerks online, unless they simply are a jerk.

Edited by xTrident, 06 February 2017 - 06:21 AM.

[Ghogiel]

In some CW matches I just go farm because I know for a fact my team is going to lose. 99.9% the potatoes cannot comprehend the most simplest instruction and could just eject all their mechs and the team wouldn't be worse off, so just farm dmg, forget the potatoes exist, get your own kills and move on.

Edited by Ghogiel, 06 February 2017 - 06:01 AM.

[Sjorpha]

Vellron2005, on 06 February 2017 - 05:55 AM, said:

I admit it.. I disconnected.. but not ONLY cose' we were loosing bad.. but because, in that moment, if I had continued to play, I would have had a heart attack from all the aggravation, and it was my LAST NIGHT in the old apartment, and I was not about to spend it being pissed at some jerks and ruining my and my GF's last night there.

Don't worry, I got that, I was just trolling you.

[Bud Crue]

El Bandito, on 06 February 2017 - 05:36 AM, said:

Ignore Mudhut. He doesn't even play the game. He sure likes to preach about his way of playing though. Kinda like Mystere, except worse.

Nah, I've missed him. His unique perspective has always been an engaging one. I mean, while I try to be constructive on the forums and try to have adult conversations (where and when appropriate) they (the forums) are still just a time waster/distraction from other things I ought to be doing; and his skewed version of reality makes that distraction quite often very entertaining.

[Oberost]

xTrident, on 06 February 2017 - 05:57 AM, said:

But Bud... You're talking about people/players having integrity in a video game. I've long been an advocate of having integrity in video games. I used to think - why do these people play the game like jerks - thinking they wouldn't behave this way IRL? Now I think - They probably DO behave this same way IRL, at least to some extent, as they do in game. Yeah, I get that it's a video game, but everyone also needs to understand that while it's a video game you're also interacting with other real people. I don't understand the need people have to be complete jerks online, unless they simply are a jerk.

Is the lack of penalty what drives these people to act that way. IRL if you're an ******* and cross some of the lines that we all call laws, you get punished, while on the internet you can be a jerk because it's free. A 10 minutes penalty for TK someone? Go ahead and do it, it's almost free. And so on...

We are not good people per se, we are what we are because we have an education, culture and FEAR of the consequences of breaking our social codes. There is nothing of that on the internet.