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[Mudhutwarrior]

xTrident, on 06 February 2017 - 05:57 AM, said:

But Bud... You're talking about people/players having integrity in a video game. I've long been an advocate of having integrity in video games. I used to think - why do these people play the game like jerks - thinking they wouldn't behave this way IRL? Now I think - They probably DO behave this same way IRL, at least to some extent, as they do in game. Yeah, I get that it's a video game, but everyone also needs to understand that while it's a video game you're also interacting with other real people. I don't understand the need people have to be complete jerks online, unless they simply are a jerk.

Integrity? One guy comes to mind when you say that. He was bigtime in the tryhard scene and hated me with a passion because I railed against teams synch dropping into solo to farm pugs. He was captain of his team and trashed me on the forums daily. The the 64 list came out and we found he was cheating like a boss.

Don't talk to me about integrity because not once has the team players exposed their own. They fought tooth and nail to make sure they covered themselves.

I find most often those who fly the integrity flag just cover themselves with it. Because they don't want you to see the true man behind the curtain.

[Vellron2005]

Sjorpha, on 06 February 2017 - 06:00 AM, said:

Don't worry, I got that, I was just trolling you.

I know.. I didn't post that for you, but for everyone else reading.. ;-)

xTrident, on 06 February 2017 - 05:57 AM, said:

But Bud... You're talking about people/players having integrity in a video game. I've long been an advocate of having integrity in video games. I used to think - why do these people play the game like jerks - thinking they wouldn't behave this way IRL? Now I think - They probably DO behave this same way IRL, at least to some extent, as they do in game. Yeah, I get that it's a video game, but everyone also needs to understand that while it's a video game you're also interacting with other real people. I don't understand the need people have to be complete jerks online, unless they simply are a jerk.

I actually have ALOT of gaming experience, both in MWO and in tabletop rpg's.. and let me tell you this - it is only when people think that their actions don't have consequences, do they truly show who they really are..

So yeah.. there's a good chance that the people who are jerks in-game, are also jerks in real life..

BUT, guys... this post has totally veered off to what I was not hoping it to become..

I originally started this post not to bash on jerks and people's snowflakiness, but for you guys to POST YOUR WORST MATCHES..

So come on.. let's do that..

[Bud Crue]

Oberost, on 06 February 2017 - 06:16 AM, said:

We are not good people per se, we are what we are because we have an education, culture and FEAR of the consequences of breaking our social codes. There is nothing of that on the internet.

I think most folks are in fact good people. People who behave appropriately even in circumstances without "fear of the consequences of breaking our (any) social codes." The reason it is a talking point when folks do break the social norms and/or do act like over entitled jackholes is because those people and those violations are in fact the exception.

We don't make threads over all the normal good games we have, with mostly good people, acting appropriately. We only make threads when the exceptional occurs.

Edited by Bud Crue, 06 February 2017 - 06:24 AM.

[TWIAFU]

Mudhutwarrior, on 06 February 2017 - 04:13 AM, said:

No one cares about your tier but other tryhards. No one cares about the leaderboards but other tryhards. Were having fun instead.

At the detriment of everyone else, good job. Could not really give two shits if it was QP where the derp is strong, but in CW/Group where teamwork is key to the gamemode?

No.

Great, have fun, do it in QP where there are NOT 11 others depending on you to play as part of the team instead of it being QP with respawn.

Thank you for showing why solo should not be allowed in QP.

[xTrident]

Mudhutwarrior, on 06 February 2017 - 06:17 AM, said:

Integrity? One guy comes to mind when you say that. He was bigtime in the tryhard scene and hated me with a passion because I railed against teams synch dropping into solo to farm pugs. He was captain of his team and trashed me on the forums daily. The the 64 list came out and we found he was cheating like a boss.

Don't talk to me about integrity because not once has the team players exposed their own. They fought tooth and nail to make sure they covered themselves.

I find most often those who fly the integrity flag just cover themselves with it. Because they don't want you to see the true man behind the curtain.

Well I was actually saying it doesn't exist in video games. But have whatever opinion you want on people claiming they play with integrity - stating they're just covering themselves with it. Because in the end it's pretty obvious if what you're saying is true, those that you describe have no integrity. Which is really what I was getting at in the first place.

[xTrident]

Vellron2005, on 06 February 2017 - 06:19 AM, said:

I know.. I didn't post that for you, but for everyone else reading.. ;-)



I actually have ALOT of gaming experience, both in MWO and in tabletop rpg's.. and let me tell you this - it is only when people think that their actions don't have consequences, do they truly show who they really are..

So yeah.. there's a good chance that the people who are jerks in-game, are also jerks in real life..

BUT, guys... this post has totally veered off to what I was not hoping it to become..

I originally started this post not to bash on jerks and people's snowflakiness, but for you guys to POST YOUR WORST MATCHES..

So come on.. let's do that..

Probably our worst matches are going to be very similar to yours.

I do remember my first game of FW. I, pugging myself, drop with other pugs and go against an organized unit. I can't remember, but if we got 12 kills I'd be surprised and it would have only been because the enemy team gave those to us. It was enough that I was never going to play it again. Only because I had a buddy that kept pressing me to try it again, did I.

[Vellron2005]

TWIAFU, on 06 February 2017 - 06:24 AM, said:

At the detriment of everyone else, good job. Could not really give two shits if it was QP where the derp is strong, but in CW/Group where teamwork is key to the gamemode?

No.

Great, have fun, do it in QP where there are NOT 11 others depending on you to play as part of the team instead of it being QP with respawn.

Thank you for showing why solo should not be allowed in QP.

Again, thank you!

A BIG +1!

[Shiroi Tsuki]

Every time I'm dropped with pugs in Boreal Vault as an attacker. It infuriates me how people don't understand the concept of "Don't stand in front of the gate" or how that 1-3 guys decide to camp outside the gate when someone on VOIP has a plan and is telling everyone to push. This is like Breaking Point all over again

[Mudhutwarrior]

TWIAFU, on 06 February 2017 - 06:24 AM, said:

At the detriment of everyone else, good job. Could not really give two shits if it was QP where the derp is strong, but in CW/Group where teamwork is key to the gamemode?

No.

Great, have fun, do it in QP where there are NOT 11 others depending on you to play as part of the team instead of it being QP with respawn.

Thank you for showing why solo should not be allowed in QP.

Don't throw that shade when back in the day you fought hard for groups to drop in solo and thought synch dropping into solo was fine. I don't play CW and when I did try it I joined a team to do so. PGI allowed all this to happen not me. You still have every opportunity to join with like minds and play the mode the way you want to all why doing anything you could to deny solo players to enjoy the game the way they wanted to.

[RussianWolf]

Vellron2005, on 06 February 2017 - 05:16 AM, said:

I'm not saying that I expect PUGs to play with half a brain.. but I do expect them to PLAY.

If you are purposefully in a match with 11 other people and do not intend to play the game, than you should not be in that match. Simple as that.

Pug or premade, does not matter.. if you are in the game, then you should contribute to your team.. otherwise, you are dead-weight, and we have a report & penalty system for that - for a reason!

[Looks at original post]

Sorry.... WHO quit to desktop?

[looks at original poster.... looks at statement saying "but I do expect them to play"]

Sorry.... you lost all credibility there.

[C E Dwyer]

How about putting this in the faction warfare section where it belongs.

Or did you think it was a good thing, to put it in the general section, where over half the population neither drop, or care how bad other peoples F.W experiences are ?

[Novakaine]

Mudhutwarrior, on 06 February 2017 - 05:14 AM, said:

You are the problem. You refuse to accept that people are different and see things different from you. As I explained above you really don't want to rigidly enforce the rules. You make exceptions. Your premise is flawed on that one point alone.

You dead wrong Muddy, it's the people that have absolutely no consideration for anyone else's enjoyment.
Other than their own that's the real problem.
Quick play I except that buffoonery not in FW.
I sincerely hope most people here play to win.
Otherwise why the hell bother?
Might I humbly suggest Candy Crush for those who want play in a drunken stupor.
The only entertainment you will screw up is your own.

[RussianWolf]

TWIAFU, on 06 February 2017 - 06:24 AM, said:

At the detriment of everyone else, good job. Could not really give two shits if it was QP where the derp is strong, but in CW/Group where teamwork is key to the gamemode?

No.

Great, have fun, do it in QP where there are NOT 11 others depending on you to play as part of the team instead of it being QP with respawn.

Thank you for showing why solo should not be allowed in QP.

you don't play this game so that I have fun.... I don't play this game so that you have fun.

When I play... and yes, its been about 6 months now since I've logged in, but when I play, I already drop exclusively in solo QP because of people with your exact attitude. I refuse to drop CW, not because I can't, but to deny you a solo filler and extend your queue times as much as possible.

If you got your wish and they removed solos from CW, your queue time would go up and smaller groups would stop playing and before long it would become the 12man queue all over again. Have fun.

[xTrident]

RussianWolf, on 06 February 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

you don't play this game so that I have fun.... I don't play this game so that you have fun.

When I play... and yes, its been about 6 months now since I've logged in, but when I play, I already drop exclusively in solo QP because of people with your exact attitude. I refuse to drop CW, not because I can't, but to deny you a solo filler and extend your queue times as much as possible.

If you got your wish and they removed solos from CW, your queue time would go up and smaller groups would stop playing and before long it would become the 12man queue all over again. Have fun.

People don't have to play the game for everyone else's enjoyment. If they just simple "play" as has been stated, that's good enough. At least for me. It's when, as an example to which I witnessed twice in two matches from the same player in a Dire Wolf - Said player just stood behind the rest of his team, didn't shoot and waited to be killed. Why even play if that's all you're going to do?

But hey, if all you preaching it's just a game and people can do whatever it is they want meaning you're okay with this kind of behavior, fine. Hopefully said player is always on your team then.

Edited by xTrident, 06 February 2017 - 10:00 AM.

[Coolant]

I've had good and bad experiences in FW in the past couple of months although I'm kinda burned out on it for the moment. Had some close games and they were fun. But, I mainly play it for the Respawn aspect.

[RussianWolf]

xTrident, on 06 February 2017 - 08:58 AM, said:

People don't have to play the game for everyone else's enjoyment. If they just simple "play" as has been stated, that's good enough. At least for me. It's when, as an example to which I witnessed twice in two matches from the same player in a Dire Wolf - Said player just stood behind the rest of his team, didn't shoot and waited to be killed. Why even play if that's all you're going to do?

But hey, if all you preaching it's just a game and people can do whatever it is they want meaning you're okay with this kind of behavior, fine. Hopefully said player is always on your team then.

That was in response to someone saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, "play the way I want you to play, or stay out of my mode"

To which my response is "develope your own game and you can make the rules". If PGI wants to restrict us from playing certain ways, or in certain parts of the game, they will do so. Until then, deal with it.

Now the Direwolf in your example may have been a new player, can't really say. Maybe they didn't know how to do the basics yet and yes, they should have gone through the lackluster training setup, but hey...PGI makes all aspects of the game available to everyone from drop 1. pure speculation on my part.

[xTrident]

RussianWolf, on 06 February 2017 - 11:11 AM, said:

That was in response to someone saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, "play the way I want you to play, or stay out of my mode"

To which my response is "develope your own game and you can make the rules". If PGI wants to restrict us from playing certain ways, or in certain parts of the game, they will do so. Until then, deal with it.

Now the Direwolf in your example may have been a new player, can't really say. Maybe they didn't know how to do the basics yet and yes, they should have gone through the lackluster training setup, but hey...PGI makes all aspects of the game available to everyone from drop 1. pure speculation on my part.

Understood and my comment wasn't direct towards just you, not at all.

I don't have a problem with the way anyone plays, I just hope it's somewhat effective what ever it is. The Dire Wolf player... I don't know. They were able to walk all the way up to nearly actually being in the battle but apparently were unable to actually fight. Either way, that's the type of player I'd have a problem with.

[nehebkau]

@OP

I had a scouting match that actually made me shut down my computer and go play candyland with my youngest daughter (she was colouring and I actually asked if she wanted to play). We were on gather and the clanners came right at us, on terratherma, and we blew them to snot except for one whom we were able to strip of weapons and leave legged. Up to that point we had gathered 8 resources and the enemy 3. I said that I would go to the dropzone and wait while everyone else gathers the remaining datapoints. by that time we had gathered 10 and the dropship was called.

One davion said that he was right next to the dropzone and would wait there until we gathered resources -- so we all agreed. We ran around and managed to gather 17 resources with 15 seconds remaining.

we said, "Thats all of them go in"
.... nothing
"GO IN"
...... nothing
"JUST GO IN"
.... 5 seconds left and everyone is shouting and typing for the Davion to go into the square.
.... "There is too much heat on the landing zone ... <bla> <bla> <bla>" you lose.

We get a little annoyed with the player who says "I thought I had more time then that"
I assume he minimized his game and went back to surfing "My Little Pony" porn or something while he was waiting for us to gather the data points..

Edited by nehebkau, 06 February 2017 - 11:47 AM.

[MacClearly]

Vellron2005, on 06 February 2017 - 03:58 AM, said:

Hey yall'!

Thought I outta start this thread, so as to allow all of us to vent a little over our excruciatingly painful FW experiences.

Here's one I had the other night..

So I'm dropping FW solo, with PUGs.. We land on Sulphurus Rift - Invasion.. as the attacker..

I suggest that we go to gamma gate (the left gate of the three), most of the team agrees.. but the 4 guys that are in a group do not, even after it's called in VOIP, and they go to alpha gate (the right gate).

Suddenly, the rest of the team, halfway to gamma, turn around and follow the alpha gate group..

At this point, it's been like 5 minutes into the game..

So then, we all reach the gate, after some of the enemies write in chat things like "are you guys all driving atlases, what up?".. My team decides to shoot the gate (not the generator). After I open the gate for them, I turn around and see that my team is suddenly spread from alpha gate all the way almost back to gamma gate, chasing a wild arctic cheeta... and as the alpha gate is oppening, the whole, focused, premade enemy team surges forth and stomps me, and proceeds killing one by one of my "teammates" (or idiots, but I digress), and stomps us into the ground..

At this point, I am so aggravated I simply decide to save what little nerves I have, and disconnect by "exit to desktop" - fully knowing that I will get a penalty, and not giving two farts about that..

What pushed me over the edge was that after I voiped and wrote in chat remarks, tried to call targets, and were like "where the hell are you guys, please don't chase the squirrel".. one of my own teammates wrote in chat "nah, mate, I'm to drunk to play".. SO WHY ARE YOU PLAYING?!

I know it was just a jest to piss me off.. but hey, it worked like a charm.. it pissed me off so bad it's not even funny..

Also note that this was the LAST FW match for me for some time, since I had to move, and won't have internet at home for some time..

Positively THE WORST FW experience since I've started playing this game in Closed Beta..

I sometimes think that it comes down to whether or not a player has been involved in organised sports when they were younger. A lot of the attitude I see seems to come from a place of inexperience rather than malice. It could also be that some people don't get the same kind of reward from working as a team that other people do. For some of us being a strong contributing part of a team is very rewarding even in a loss. Again I think a lot of that is due to lessons learned at a young age that perhaps some didn't learn or find enjoyable. That is what I find really frustrating as I don't get or can relate to why someone would drop in FW and say eff it I'ma gonna do my own thing. Doesn't make sense to me.

Another thing I get really frustrated with is especially on Sulpherous, pug attackers always want to go alpha over and over again without regard to it being successful or not. I have tried to get people to go left as it is just as good of an option and because I think it has less bottlenecks. It has however become so ingrained in people that it is not only difficult to get them to try any other gate, it is difficult sometimes after getting smashed to get them to actually go in the gate and push towards the gun.

My recommendation if you find yourself in such a group, is try and keep them together...in front of you. Stay at the back and put out as much damage as you can, using people who refuse to work together as meat shields. Got lurmers and snipers in the back outside the gate? Shoot the enemy and run out behind them and stand behind the lurmer as you shoot at them chasing out after you.

Disconnecting will just get you reported. Just resign yourself to a lost game and try and find a way to get some fun out of it. You can still make some cbills that way.

[SIN Maruzen]

Played domination on alpine earlier. My whole team sat out of the circle spammong lrm's and poking barely in range with their lrg lasers. Told them to get on the circle. They literally told me no. Thats not a good idea because they're long range built... of course we lost 49 seconds later as the opfor took the objective uncontested.