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[Void Angel]

Novakaine, on 13 February 2017 - 07:48 AM, said:

The potato forum warrior well this is a new one.

Er... Have You Seen This?

Alistair Winter, on 14 February 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

This thread now has 7 pages and 125 replies. The last page seems to be mostly about Battletech lore.

That is exactly how a forum round table would go, too. =)

But on-topic, I'd be interested to see what some of the forumites think about the game, if it's properly moderated.

[Jackal Noble]

Can we get a Round table scheduled for sometime around Febtober?

[Appogee]

So, if I understand your plan correctly...

There's a developer renowned for mostly ignoring feedback ... on his own forums, on Reddit, from strangers who he mostly blocks on Twitter, and even from the round tables he rarely organises with selected representatives from large groups.

To get him to act on your feedback, you're going to conduct a separate, unofficial round table... because you think he will watch a round table he didn't organise, and take action because of it.

Do I have that correct...?

Edited by Appogee, 14 February 2017 - 02:58 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Alistair Winter, on 14 February 2017 - 11:41 AM, said:

This thread now has 7 pages and 125 replies. The last page seems to be mostly about Battletech lore.

lol.

Yeah put a bunch of LOREwarriors infront of PGI and watch this game go from something just half OK, to utter shart.

[Bishop Steiner]

justcallme A S H, on 14 February 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

lol.

Yeah put a bunch of LOREwarriors infront of PGI and watch this game go from something just half OK, to utter shart.

Whether it's OK, or shart or not...is a matter of opinion. As a generic stompy robot shooter, it may be "OK". As a Mechwarrior or Battletech product, it's already precariously close to shart. Being a generic stompy robot shooter would be OK.... if it wasn't trying to claim to be a part of a massive, storied franchise.

If the right "lorewarriors" had their way, it would at least be trying to meet in the middle.

FPS PewPew Skill Rangers can drive a product to shartdom just as fast as any lore nerds.

[justcallme A S H]

LORE has no place in a FPS though.

This is not tabletop... People want to treat it like it is - And that, simply, won't work.

[Alan Davion]

justcallme A S H, on 14 February 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

LORE has no place in a FPS though.

This is not tabletop... People want to treat it like it is - And that, simply, won't work.

And yet... Literally every FPS game ever made has had it's own lore built into it...

So your argument kind of falls apart right out of the gate.

Edited by Alan Davion, 14 February 2017 - 06:08 PM.

[Kaspirikay]

you guys already know what im just gonna say all day.

[justcallme A S H]

Alan Davion, on 14 February 2017 - 06:08 PM, said:

And yet... Literally every FPS game ever made has had it's own lore built into it...

So your argument kind of falls apart right out of the gate.

Counterstrike / Battlefield series / World of tanks / DOOM etc etc...

All have LORE? A set of table top rules/values that people feel must "rule" the FPS side of the game?

Gimme a spell.

What they have is single player campaign and/or story lines. They also have game play in those modes that often that does not carry over into the mutiplayer section of the game. Why? Because it doesn't / can't apply.


The games / series above do not have a bunch of table top game rules that fools whine about not existing in the FPS realm, because they cannot apply as they are not balanced.

If this game was built around tabletop it would be the most unbalanced load of crap out there and the player base would be even more non-existent than it is now (due to PGIs shocking efforts at making a decent FPS)

Edited by justcallme A S H, 14 February 2017 - 06:19 PM.

[N0MAD]

Just how many times does a company have to show you how bad it is before you finally say "they just cant do it" and just move on?. How often would you go to say a mechanic that continually diagnosed the problem wrong and tried to fix it and the car continually left you stranded on the side of the road?.
Years ago i needed to employ an experience builder, guy with 5 years experience applied, gave him the opportunity, within a week i was disappointed with his work, but i thought its only a week and maybe he had been taught different work skills/ethics at his last job, so i decided to give him some tutoring and time, 3 months in the end.
Well i just had to let him go, he wasnt suited or talented in his work, i believe he just worked in the industry just because, he wasnt enthused about it had little interest in it apart from the wage. People like this will never give you quality work or produce work that is exemplary or innovative, they will have a bad affect on your apprentices and others.
PGI cant do MWO ( imho, any other game) over the years they have shown this time and time again.
Wasting your time trying to get Russ to change things is just that wasting your time.
PGI isnt going to turn into a qualified pro company over night because you have a meeting or a dozen of them.
Some times you just need to cut your loses and well accepts the fact shite isnt going to change to silk.

[Alan Davion]

justcallme A S H, on 14 February 2017 - 06:18 PM, said:

Counterstrike / Battlefield series / World of tanks / DOOM etc etc...

All have LORE? A set of table top rules/values that people feel must "rule" the FPS side of the game?

Gimme a spell.

What they have is single player campaign and/or story lines. They also have game play in those modes that often that does not carry over into the mutiplayer section of the game. Why? Because it doesn't / can't apply.


The games / series above do not have a bunch of table top game rules that fools whine about not existing in the FPS realm, because they cannot apply as they are not balanced.

If this game was built around tabletop it would be the most unbalanced load of crap out there and the player base would be even more non-existent than it is now (due to PGIs shocking efforts at making a decent FPS)

I just... I can't even fathom how you can't see how backwards you are in your interpretation of lore and rules.

The Lore is the Story.

The Rules are the Rules.

The Lore of Battletech is how humanity developed FTL travel, colonized the Inner Sphere, built up the myriad houses that came to rule, built the Star League, destroyed the Star League, spent the next several hundred years pasting each other back towards the Medieval Age while the SLDF eventually became the Clans, etc etc.

The Rules are for how the game is played within the context of the Lore.

The sole exception to what you were saying is World of Tanks.

[justcallme A S H]

No.

LORE purists on this forum want TT rules employed in the game, constantly. Do you read half the thread around here?
To me, that is near enough the same because it's coming outta the same peoples mouths.

Those who play mainly FPS games, and understand balance - such players comments you can tell right away because they make, wait for it


logical sense

[Bishop Steiner]

justcallme A S H, on 14 February 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

LORE has no place in a FPS though.

This is not tabletop... People want to treat it like it is - And that, simply, won't work.

Lore has all kind of place...on any franchised Intellectual Property. YOu wnat generic FPS PEWPEW to the Max, I hear Titanfall 2 is wonderful..... as a fast twitch generic shooter.

the genre is irrelevant.... yes consideration need be made specifically for the realities of each Genre... but a Star Wars or Star Trek FPS absolutely has to have it's lore intact, even if you bend some of the rules to make it work as an FPS.

Saying lore has no place on an IP Game? Lol. Sorry pal, go play some generic vanilla shooter then if that is what you want.

N0MAD, on 14 February 2017 - 06:33 PM, said:

Just how many times does a company have to show you how bad it is before you finally say "they just cant do it" and just move on?

Interesting question...the very fact you posted, suggest you have not actually "moved on".....

justcallme A S H, on 14 February 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

No.

LORE purists on this forum want TT rules employed in the game, constantly. Do you read half the thread around here?
To me, that is near enough the same because it's coming outta the same peoples mouths.

Those who play mainly FPS games, and understand balance - such players comments you can tell right away because they make, wait for it


logical sense

Huge difference between "Lore Purist" and "Lore has no place"'

I could make all kinds of inbred idiotic generic characterizations about "FPS purists" and their idiotic attempts to turn every game into the same generic vanilla drek... but since that only actually addresses a tiny part of the population, really would serve no purpose. Just like your asinine "lore purist" argument.

[justcallme A S H]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 February 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

Lore has all kind of place...on any franchised Intellectual Property. YOu wnat generic FPS PEWPEW to the Max, I hear Titanfall 2 is wonderful..... as a fast twitch generic shooter.

the genre is irrelevant.... yes consideration need be made specifically for the realities of each Genre... but a Star Wars or Star Trek FPS absolutely has to have it's lore intact, even if you bend some of the rules to make it work as an FPS.

Saying lore has no place on an IP Game? Lol. Sorry pal, go play some generic vanilla shooter then if that is what you want.



Interesting question...the very fact you posted, suggest you have not actually "moved on".....


Huge difference between "Lore Purist" and "Lore has no place"'

I could make all kinds of inbred idiotic generic characterizations about "FPS purists" and their idiotic attempts to turn every game into the same generic vanilla drek... but since that only actually addresses a tiny part of the population, really would serve no purpose. Just like your asinine "lore purist" argument.

Lore and story line = not same. There is where I see the difference here, given lore has hard-locked values/properties associated with it and is not really a story line.

Lore people get upset and stuff like a Gauss rifle charge time, or it's distance is not inline with "what the lore says". So yes, in the instance of that it doesn't have a place as the Gauss rifle operates how it does in a FPS because that is what needs to happen for the sake of game balance.

There are loads of examples of this.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 14 February 2017 - 07:05 PM.

[DAYLEET]

A Forum Warrior round table would be beneficial i think.



Bloodwolf: *it's Russ with a large hat and fake moustache* I think i speak for everyone when i say the game is where it should be.

Bishop: *Look away from Blood* Here, ive drawn how the Assassin should be, i added a sombrero and i would like people input on...

DAYLEET: Hey Mystere, i know someone who like-like you.

Solahma: Ive written an essay about something very simple and if you look at the two accompanying vids youll see that this could all have been said in one paragraph.

Mystere toward DAY: OMG who is it?

RestoIII flash his tablet to everyone and on it is the image of that coyote with a beating heart.

Mcgral18: Ive yet again opened the matrix and looked through the codes. you guys dont really exist and...

RestoIII now shows the image of a hampster studying a potato chip and really is shoving his tablet in everyones face.

Odanan: Thats nice Mcgral, let me make a poll and see what people think about it.

Varnas: No one cares abbbOUT UR POLL if it has NO QUADS!@!@32WAA

MischiefSC: Who let dayleets in? i thought we were rid of him.

Tarogato: Ive also written an essay about the same thing Sol said but with enough statistic to most likely lose all meaning.

Johnny Z: Bloodwolf make a good factualy true point and i think we should all...

Gas Guzzler: Awesome story Johnny, let me add it to my scifi collection.

Deathlike: Lets get a newbie banned on twitter, whos with me?

Idealsuspect: you guys suuuuuck, suck suck suck you guys suuuuuck ahahdickcuntshitlololloltrollol

Dino:*menacingly* Everybody shut the fk up before i get in my LCT and bite all tour ankles to death, YOU KNOW I CAN!




Heroes were omited but not forgoten. Some where more accurate than others, some where not at all, a dumb joke can only last so long.

[Bishop Steiner]

justcallme A S H, on 14 February 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

Lore and story line = not same.

Lore people get upset and stuff like a Gauss rifle charge time, or it's distance is not inline with "what the lore says". So yes, in the instance of that it doesn't have a place as the Gauss rifle operates how it does in a FPS because that is what needs to happen for the sake of game balance.

There are loads of examples of this.

No, what you are doing is using extreme characterizations to paint a broad, and largely inaccurate picture of anyone who actually wants a Battletech Game to actually bear some sort of resemblance to Battletech. Which this game only jsut barely does, TBH.

There are a handful of posters on here at most, who remotely are what you describe. So your characterization is pretty damn arrogant, and apparently intentionally antagonistic toward any who don't worship at the Church of Skill, before the Alter of Twitch.

DAYLEET, on 14 February 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:

A Forum Warrior round table would be beneficial i think.



Bloodwolf: *it's Russ with a large hat and fake moustache* I think i speak for everyone when i say the game is where it should be.

Bishop: *Look away from Blood* Here, ive drawn how the Assassin should be, i added a sombrero and i would like people input on...

DAYLEET: Hey Mystere, i know someone who like-like you.

Solahma: Ive written an essay about something very simple and if you look at the two accompanying vids youll see that this could all have been said in one paragraph.

Mystere toward DAY: OMG who is it?

RestoIII flash his tablet to everyone and on it is the image of that coyote with a beating heart.

Mcgral18: Ive yet again opened the matrix and looked through the codes. you guys dont really exist and...

RestoIII now shows the image of a hampster studying a potato chip and really is shoving his tablet in everyones face.

Odanan: Thats nice Mcgral, let me make a poll and see what people think about it.

Varnas: No one cares abbbOUT UR POLL if it has NO QUADS!@!@32WAA

MischiefSC: Who let dayleets in? i thought we were rid of him.

Tarogato: Ive also written an essay about the same thing Sol said but with enough statistic to most likely lose all meaning.

Johnny Z: Bloodwolf make a good factualy true point and i think we should all...

Gas Guzzler: Awesome story Johnny, let me add it to my scifi collection.

Deathlike: Lets get a newbie banned on twitter, whos with me?

Idealsuspect: you guys suuuuuck, suck suck suck you guys suuuuuck ahahdickcuntshitlololloltrollol

Dino:*menacingly* Everybody shut the fk up before i get in my LCT and bite all tour ankles to death, YOU KNOW I CAN!




Heroes were omited but not forgoten. Some where more accurate than others, some where not at all, a dumb joke can only last so long.

You forgot to add CK16 slipping Tina and the Devs notes, back and forth..... and Andi Nagasi tweeting every random idea he has to Russ (Also Mischief should also be ranting about Clam Mechs with quirks being the debil!) ...... but otherwise, big LOL.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 February 2017 - 07:10 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Probably Not, on 14 February 2017 - 07:07 PM, said:

Post them or pls shut up k thx

Gauss rifle operation
Weapon heat values / duration
Modules impacting ranges
Oh and... Quirks (negative ones, atomic bomb level).

You know, just the majority of the balance within this FPS.

Certain planets in FP giving certain bonuses or access to certain mechs only (I mean come on, that one is delusional, PGI will never get that right).


This stuff has had plenty of TT/Lore people up in arms over the last 12-18 months. I'm sure the past 4 years there has been LOAAADS more. But I've only been playing for just over a year so I'm not sure of it all.

I'm not saying a story line etc has no place. The hard-locked values associated with the LORE in this instance, cause big, big problems if they are all followed.

Bishop Steiner, on 14 February 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

You forgot to add CK16 slipping Tina and the Devs notes, back and forth..... and Andi Nagasi tweeting every random idea he has to Russ (Also Mischief should also be ranting about Clam Mechs with quirks being the debil!) ...... but otherwise, big LOL.

lol

[DAYLEET]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 February 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

You forgot to add CK16 slipping Tina and the Devs notes, back and forth..... and Andi Nagasi tweeting every random idea he has to Russ (Also Mischief should also be ranting about Clam Mechs with quirks being the debil!) ...... but otherwise, big LOL.

The more i was adding people the more i was thinking of other people and if theres one thing that kills a joke its when it doesnt end.

[justcallme A S H]

http://www.sarna.net...rojector_Cannon

Heat 15 - not inline with TT/Lore

Took me all of 30 seconds. I'm not going to dig through pages of crap to find a couple posts to suffice your "evidence" for the purists getting their knickers in knots about all the changes/incorrect values and the "it is not inline with LORE". They exist, anyone that is semi active on the forum is well aware of it.

I do not lie, I have no reason to, nor has anyone caught me out cause it doesn't happen. I have called out a number of others for doing it however.

As to why the planets/locking mechs/bonuses etc... If you cannot understand how impossible that would be for PGI to get right, then there is nothing more discuss because you're deluded.

Take the new skill tree, how bad it is. A first attempt, that far off the mark... Not a good sign.
Then look at the new heatscale that died at PTS because it too, was horrendous.

Be thankful for what we have right now, cause it ain't gonna get much better - and certainly not more immersive for MWO.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 14 February 2017 - 07:32 PM.

[cazidin]

DAYLEET, on 14 February 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:

A Forum Warrior round table would be beneficial i think.



Bloodwolf: *it's Russ with a large hat and fake moustache* I think i speak for everyone when i say the game is where it should be.

Bishop: *Look away from Blood* Here, ive drawn how the Assassin should be, i added a sombrero and i would like people input on...

DAYLEET: Hey Mystere, i know someone who like-like you.

Solahma: Ive written an essay about something very simple and if you look at the two accompanying vids youll see that this could all have been said in one paragraph.

Mystere toward DAY: OMG who is it?

RestoIII flash his tablet to everyone and on it is the image of that coyote with a beating heart.

Mcgral18: Ive yet again opened the matrix and looked through the codes. you guys dont really exist and...

RestoIII now shows the image of a hampster studying a potato chip and really is shoving his tablet in everyones face.

Odanan: Thats nice Mcgral, let me make a poll and see what people think about it.

Varnas: No one cares abbbOUT UR POLL if it has NO QUADS!@!@32WAA

MischiefSC: Who let dayleets in? i thought we were rid of him.

Tarogato: Ive also written an essay about the same thing Sol said but with enough statistic to most likely lose all meaning.

Johnny Z: Bloodwolf make a good factualy true point and i think we should all...

Gas Guzzler: Awesome story Johnny, let me add it to my scifi collection.

Deathlike: Lets get a newbie banned on twitter, whos with me?

Idealsuspect: you guys suuuuuck, suck suck suck you guys suuuuuck ahahdickcuntshitlololloltrollol

Dino:*menacingly* Everybody shut the fk up before i get in my LCT and bite all tour ankles to death, YOU KNOW I CAN!




Heroes were omited but not forgoten. Some where more accurate than others, some where not at all, a dumb joke can only last so long.

Hey! You forgot me... or... am I the villain?